2017 GP Rostelecom Cup Ladies SP

[TT_Fin]

Evgenia is undoubtedly very good, but not so good as the judges made her...
I really appreciate her mental strength and work ethics... she succeeded so much, as being an average talent .

I agree. It is the judges, not really herself, why it is difficult to be a big fan of hers. But I try. And I am not fan of too much acting and voice overs either. This year I liked her SP very much, except the rest about 5 or 10 seconds of it. Also elements were in balance, and I liked it.

 

[Tolstoj]

Evgenia is undoubtedly very good, but not so good as the judges made her...
I really appreciate her mental strength and work ethics... she succeeded so much, as being an average talent .

To skate clean and win all these competitions in these day and age where all the newcomers are incredibly strong is much more than average.

And she has great qualities, as i wrote before, in transitions she was simply the best in the SP: every element has transitions (outside the combo) in and out and some of them (like her spiral) are difficult, deep edges in the steps sequence, good one foot sections,... she is the complete package: she may not excel on something but she has it all.

Judges are giving new SB and PB when you skate clean (because again, it's difficult to be perfect all the time) so that's also why her score are high.

While if you look at the her competitors there is always a weakness, but we'll see for example that Kaori Sakamoto started great at her debut.

 

[thegreendestiny]

Another day another glorious clean skate, another screamfest from detractors. That's how it was in the past two or more years and that will probably how it will be in the next few years. :hap93:

 

[Spirals for Miles]

Looking at the protocolled video from a few pages back right now... Judge 9, the ITALIAN judge, gave Kostner +3 GOE on jumps with little bumbles at the end and nearly no transitions in?! Why am I shocked... :disapp:

 

[bekalc]

Of course Carolina cannot skate to Medvedeva's "music" that consists of heartbeats, breathing, "OH MY GOD", camera shutter, "come in" etc. It's too "complex" for a skater who is a 5-time European Champion, World Champion and Olympic Bronze Medalist.

And I wasn't even saying anything about the program in the post you quoted me, I was talking about the skating skills score. Evgenia has more transition which is true, but that means she holds her edges relatively shorter than Carolina because she needs to replace those with turns. I don't see how Carolina's smooth, clean and well executed edges should get a lower score than Evgenia complex turns.

Transitions are part of the score and what they are looking for in the criteria. So yes it matters that Med has a lot more of them.

Med also has difficult transitions in her jumps while Kostner does lesser jumps with none.

 

[[email protected]]

It's weird...the protocols don't agree with us. That Lutz edge was weird. It sort of cartwheeled off the heel but looked on the inside edge at take off to me. I'm baffled.

It's 3 years now that I raised the issue of Wakaba's lutz edge after praises about "text book lutz"

 

[[email protected]]

Oh boy, all the questioning about Wakaba's lutz edge is going to make my friend samkrut so happy... i can just see it

Well, I received once infraction arguing about it. Some small redemption is satisfying, indeed.

 

[Cindy1983]

Mirai, nooooooo.
Nails her 3A and goes down on everything else....

Maybe all her energy went into doing the triple axel and the rest of it wasn't there.

 

[Cindy1983]

Do all country judges overscore compeditors from their respective countries?

 

[Miss Ice]

Do all country judges overscore compeditors from their respective countries?

Yeah. Unfortunately we're pretty much back at the favoritism of the 6.0-point system but for some reason no one is calling people out the way they did before.

Looking at the protocolled video from a few pages back right now... Judge 9, the ITALIAN judge, gave Kostner +3 GOE on jumps with little bumbles at the end and nearly no transitions in?! Why am I shocked... :disapp:

:disapp: Very sad. Just waiting for people to start calling this out in real life, but unfortunately with all the money and politics involved it will be quite unlikely for some time.

 

[Aquinox1]

Take that!
Carolina Kostner 2nd place!
For all those people who underestimate her.

 

[Mathman]

Do all country judges overscore compeditors from their respective countries?

Yes.

 

[lakeside]

Do all country judges overscore compeditors from their respective countries?

No, not all countries. The Japanese judge overscored American Nathan Chen, giving him 9.75 (!) on skating skills and 9.50 on transitions (where most other judges gave him 8.50).

 

[Hamonrsa]

Finally watched vids and boy does Galustyans coach act like a total dick.

That’s her father. He always looks like that haha. Also she just posted on Instagram that she’s done for the season.

 

[kevinVchicago]

That’s her father. He always looks like that haha. Also she just posted on Instagram that she’s done for the season.

I hope she's okay.
She was so good today. It was very moving.

 

[moriel]

Do all country judges overscore compeditors from their respective countries?

Basically.
At least last year, i did an analysis of a GP event, and there was not a single judge with skaters from same country competing that didnt score their own skaters above average. Also, MOST underscored the competition too.