2017 GP Skate Canada Ladies SP

[drivingmissdaisy]

Kaetlyn is the class of this field and will win if clean (i.e. brings the form she displayed at Worlds). However, she is nowhere as consistent as Evgenia, so any of the other contenders could win if Osmond makes errors.

 

[skylark]

....oh, I can't wait till to-MOR-row, oh, can't wait till to-MOR-row, oh, can't wait till to-MOR-Row .....

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saw Anna jump a beautiful 3-3

I've been looking for an On-Site Report Thread! thank you!!! Is Ashley in Anna's practice group, how's she looking?

 

[Mayumi1990]

What happened to Sotskova? Is she even in Canada?

 

[Violet Bliss]

....oh, I can't wait till to-MOR-row, oh, can't wait till to-MOR-row, oh, can't wait till to-MOR-Row .....



I've been looking for an On-Site Report Thread! thank you!!! Is Ashley in Anna's practice group, how's she looking?

There is live streaming for practice on SC site and Dailymotion. Check TV & livestream thread. Dancers are on.

 

[MaiKatze]

What happened to Sotskova? Is she even in Canada?

She is, but she didn't skate at that practice.

Ashley looked good, during her runthrough. She didn't jump though.

 

[skylark]

There is live streaming for practice on SC site and Dailymotion. Check TV & livestream thread. Dancers are on.

 

[Mayumi1990]

She is, but she didn't skate at that practice.

Ashley looked good, during her runthrough. She didn't jump though.

Was Wagner even attempting to hit level 4 on those spins? She had the weakest spin. She need to atleast add 2 rotations pee positions

 

[MaiKatze]

Was Wagner even attempting to hit level 4 on those spins? She had the weakest spin. She need to atleast add 2 rotations pee positions

What...kind of..position is THAT? :shocked:

Anyway, like I wrote somewhere, this is practice, so I'm sure this is not how it is supposed to look in the competition.

 

[skatenewbie]

i think Kaetlyn almost a certain win unless she bombs badly. judge will give her 9s across the board in PCS and +2/3 in GOE of her jumps (if triples are clean) and non-jump element. CoR overscoring was already quite bad, i don't know what to expect here tbh. i hope all skaters show their best and skate clean!

 

[Violet Bliss]

i think Kaetlyn almost a certain win unless she bombs badly. judge will give her 9s across the board in PCS and +2/3 in GOE of her jumps (if triples are clean) and non-jump element. CoR overscoring was already quite bad, i don't know what to expect here tbh. i hope all skaters show their best and skate clean!

You just predicted what would happen.

 

[mrrice]

How is Alaine Chartrand looking? With Kaetlyn and Gabby doing so well at Worlds, I feel like she' faded from the spotlight. It would be nice see her skate well here.

 

[4everchan]

How is Alaine Chartrand looking? With Kaetlyn and Gabby doing so well at Worlds, I feel like she' faded from the spotlight. It would be nice see her skate well here.

there is a bev smith article about her (posted on the Canadian thread)

she is working with Kraal in Colorado from time to time... they discovered that with the huge jumps she has, the airtime, she would be able to do quads but her air position and exit of the free leg make her UR instead.... so they are working on getting her jumps cleaned up... it will be interesting to see how she improves.

 

[OS]

Lust, Caution is a great film, though emotionally deviated significantly from the original writing, it's really inappropriate for a young skater. The story began when the amateur agent-to-be was in university in her early twenties and continued three years later. The sex scenes are central to the movie story accounting for the emotional progress and deviation from the original story and from the young lady's intention. As well, the music lacks obvious variation and highlights and is very difficult to interpret.

I really don't see how it may be right for Karen at her age and skating maturity.

eta. This is really another case of a totally "innocent" piece of music used in a movie and becoming associated and representative of a story, consequently prohibiting free interpretation of the music on its own for skating.

Yes, that is why I expressed in a few years time! (at least 3 more! 21+) It is going to be a huge challenge for anyone to do it justice, and I doubt the member of the Chinese team will risk it due to the politics of that film. I do love the music though, it is rich, lush, dark, complex, intriguing, provocative yet pure. At the same time, there's this overall haunting melancholy hopelessness, inevitability build up (Desplat speciality). The skater needs maturity, sensuality, sensitivity and most of all empathy, to bring the 'torn' and 'conflict'feel. It is one of the few woman empowering war movies despite the obvious dire circumstances. She can either chose to be a victim, chose to be daring and voyeur, chose to sacrifice herself for the greater good, or really at the end was it a choice at all? Was she lost? Was she found? Did the end justify the means? When you think of the female protagonist in Carmen, Geisha, Butterfly, Saigon, they have all been more of a straightforward victim of circumstance/times roles from a patriarch view, and really these material are not appropriate for most young skaters either. Yet we get plenty of those.

 

[skylark]

It is one of the few woman empowering war movies despite the obvious dire circumstances. She can either chose to be a victim, chose to be daring and voyeur, chose to sacrifice herself for the greater good, or really at the end was it a choice at all? Was she lost? Was she found? Did the end justify the means? When you think of the female protagonist in Carmen, Geisha, Butterfly, Saigon, they have all been more of a straightforward victim of circumstance/times roles from a patriarch view, and really these material are not appropriate for most young skaters either. Yet we get plenty of those.

I'm really enjoying reading your discussion of this film. What's the music, and what's it from, before the film? Or was the music written for the film?

 

[hippomoomin]

I love Chia Chi's Theme from the movie most. I believe the soundtracks are written for the film.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7L5BR7ObQc

I'm really enjoying reading your discussion of this film. What's the music, and what's it from, before the film? Or was the music written for the film?

 

[OS]

I'm really enjoying reading your discussion of this film. What's the music, and what's it from, before the film? Or was the music written for the film?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XR-Y9iWZurI&list=PL917F6DFEB573EB14&index=22

Here's the OST Track 18, 22 are probably good foundation to cut a FS program from, with insert from another track, track 4? Its pace is suited for ladies FS figure skating ... although probably does not have that wow familiar music highlight factor from Saigon or Butterfly, but it would say so much about the skater if she can sustain the mood through out and leaves a haunting impression till the end... sort of the dawning of a dystopia feeling.

 

[ask]

Anna looked like a mess at practice. She can't land a clean lutz anymore. I don't think she will be near the podium.

Podium will be Kaitlyn, Marin, and Maria in some order.

 

[withwings]

It's in Canada! I've seen enough competitions in Canada to know Kaetlyn has the gold, the rest are fighting for silver.

I am speechless... shame on you even for daring to think in that way. Suspicion is a mental problem, and a hard one.

Whoever will skate the best, will win. We rather have to be grateful and enjoy a competition, and beauty of skating Are not we privileged that ALL these skaters sacrifice so much because of love of skating... and they bring us something which really is a treasure. A treasure! Ha...our technology can create a skating robot who would execute all the elements...then watch the and will be a freedom of suspicion.

 

[sowcow]

It's in Canada! I've seen enough competitions in Canada to know Kaetlyn has the gold, the rest are fighting for silver.

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As much as I hate to agree with a prolific Mirai basher, Chuckm is 100% correct here. [IN REFERENCE TO]:

SC is always a gimmee for Osmond as long as Medvedeva isn't on the entry list. She has an adoring audience on her side ready for her standing ovation. That never fails to sway the judges.

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Merriam-Webster dictionary defines 'shade' as "subtle, sneering expression of contempt for or disgust with someone—sometimes verbal, and sometimes not"


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► So in fact b-man, 'shade' is exactly what you're throwing at Osmond when you claim she'll win the gold regardless of how she (or others) skate; thereby insinuating Kaetlyn would otherwise be unable to achieve the feat based on her own merits.
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Interestingly, "...at its most refined, shade should have an element of plausible deniability, so that the shade-thrower can pretend that he or she didn't actually mean to behave with incivility, making it all the more delicious." [Source: "The Underground Art of the Insult". The New York Times.]


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► I guess your self-defensive claim: "No shade against Osmond from me, I think she's among top 5 in the world, a terrific skater." is a text-book example of a "shade-thrower" employing "plausible deniability"!?!

No shade against Osmond from me, I think she's among top 5 in the world, a terrific skater. My shade, having observed in person a couple of Skate Canada competitions and part of the London Worlds; is more against "home cooking". I saw 3 fall Chan win Worlds over a relatively clean D10, a very sloppy Chan win a close decision over a sloppy Hanyu at SC last year, or Vittue/moir returning from a 2 year layoff to edge Chock/Bates by less than 1 point last year. Whenever the competition was close, the Canadian always seemed to edge the competition. I expect no difference in the SC ladies this year. If Osmond is close to Pogo, Maria, or Wagner, I expect Osmond to come out on top.

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Just calling 'em as I see 'em...

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[qwertyskates]

Yes, that is why I expressed in a few years time! (at least 3 more! 21+) It is going to be a huge challenge for anyone to do it justice, and I doubt the member of the Chinese team will risk it due to the politics of that film. I do love the music though, it is rich, lush, dark, complex, intriguing, provocative yet pure. At the same time, there's this overall haunting melancholy hopelessness, inevitability build up (Desplat speciality). The skater needs maturity, sensuality, sensitivity and most of all empathy, to bring the 'torn' and 'conflict'feel. It is one of the few woman empowering war movies despite the obvious dire circumstances. She can either chose to be a victim, chose to be daring and voyeur, chose to sacrifice herself for the greater good, or really at the end was it a choice at all? Was she lost? Was she found? Did the end justify the means? When you think of the female protagonist in Carmen, Geisha, Butterfly, Saigon, they have all been more of a straightforward victim of circumstance/times roles from a patriarch view, and really these material are not appropriate for most young skaters either. Yet we get plenty of those.

Good analysis - the other characters like Mdm Butterfly are all tragic but passive, and not great as young women role models either. A femme fatale is not bad. I don't remember much of the sex scenes, but what hit me hard was the emotional roller coaster, the deep deep acting that Ang Lee can coax out of his stars, I cried hard at the singing scene, plus the suspense! Chia Chi is first year of university, which would make her 19 years old, I believe. This is why for all her courage she's in over her head.

The actress Tang Wei is also quite popular in Korea I think, so another plus, and Karen looks a bit like her.

In the end though, the music is just incredible to skate to...the film and its characters need not be referenced at all. So many nuances to pick up, it has layers, foreground and background, it can be tweaked.

While the main theme is lush, melancholic, (I think even without watching the film the score can move one to tears...) there are parts of the soundtrack that are more dramatic and suspenseful , like The Sacrifice

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eebUUUwLC0E&index=12&list=PL917F6DFEB573EB14

And dark, dark, "Desire"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0X8Y-zw6zss&index=24&list=PL917F6DFEB573EB14

which can splice easily into the main theme:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XR-Y9iWZurI&list=PL917F6DFEB573EB14&index=22

Would love to see it choreographed and skated to. Maybe should move this to skating music thread?