Well it was fine. She didn't fall, just some URs and a bit flat.
Also, digging your username.
2017 World Ladies FS
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Well it was fine. She didn't fall, just some URs and a bit flat.
Also, digging your username.
what i thought when watching the ladies live:
zijun's music is beautiful, languid, lovely and slow. looking at her - she's very slow herself - it suddenly makes sense. the idea was to choose the sort of music that wouldn't overshadow, overwhelm and dwarf her, probably. i teared up (i only teared up one other time during the event...). massively underscored. touching, emotional performance. should have been above wagner. i mean, both had visible carrots. zijun was at least clean-ish.
liked the australian girl. laurine was overscored - she looked pretty sloppy live and became very slow in the second half when the music really demands one to appear energetic. nicole from germany was GREAT and clean. she and zijun should have been ahead of laurine.
most girls are slow up until the last group though. because of this and some other reasons, ladies is my least favourite discipline in fs.
the belgian and slovakian girls were good and did their nations proud. the chinese girl skating to mononoke was lovely - she's to be watched closely, can achieve great things. sorry for the lack of names here - it's night and everything...
MARIAH. was. awesome. her gorgeous stsq was the BEST part of the event for me. should be way above wagner and many others who somehow got better scores than her. i didn't expect to like her so much. (it'd be nice if she bowed to everyone in the audience, not just the judges, though)
the crowd loved mai mihara and she skated very... diligently.
tursynbaeva - the SECOND BEST part of the event. she was massively underscored in pcs. she's small but fills the arena like nobody else. very impressive. her skating is big, has this sweeping quality to it. her presence is amazing. clean-ish skate, too. she really commands your attention live. i hope she'll be getting medals in the future.
ashley - the beginning was nice. conveyed the sense of tranquility very well. 2nd half was a snooze-fest and she was slow and labored and boring. expected so much more from her. marks were way too generous.
rika - look, she's not hard done by. the quality just isn't there. even with this crowd-pleaser of a riverdance program. i'm sure she's a lovely girl but it would be unfair to others to be more generous to her.
wakaba - the EDGES. swoon-worthy skating skills. very underscored, again. i expect great things from her in the future, provided the judges stop being so unfair to her. no other girl today had equally deep edges.
best so far: MARIAH, TURSYNBAEVA, WAKABA.
next:
the last group. maria is beautiful and elegant. don't understand her pcs. i'd have been more generous. i'll have to check those protocols. karen chen - i knew nothing about her and liked her VERY MUCH. beautiful and refined, when she was done, i was hoping she could grab a medal maybe. anna - ok this is the kind of stuff tragedies are made of. i was rooting for her to win, or at least medal. she can. she deserves it after so being underscored so often (esp. when compared to other skaters whose scores increase when the quality of their performance decreases...). cried with her when she was done and waiting for her scores. the second and last time for me to cry tonight.**
zhenya - well done. the crowd adored her.
the canadians - gabrielle has an empty program but she executed it very well. great music - she didn't get slow/tired and managed to keep up with the spunky music very well. i really hoped she could get that silver because...
osmond - great performance of one of the dullest programs i've ever seen.
** there's a problem with the judging. i adore anna but she got a better score than clean zijun li. just think about it. it's just wrong. speaking of silver linings: there were complaints after the sp that anna was held back and the canadians were a bit overscored compared to her. well, she could have been 1st after the sp and with that meltdown it would have made no difference in the end...
zijun's music is beautiful, languid, lovely and slow. looking at her - she's very slow herself - it suddenly makes sense. the idea was to choose the sort of music that wouldn't overshadow, overwhelm and dwarf her, probably. i teared up (i only teared up one other time during the event...). massively underscored. touching, emotional performance. should have been above wagner. i mean, both had visible carrots. zijun was at least clean-ish.
liked the australian girl. laurine was overscored - she looked pretty sloppy live and became very slow in the second half when the music really demands one to appear energetic. nicole from germany was GREAT and clean. she and zijun should have been ahead of laurine.
most girls are slow up until the last group though. because of this and some other reasons, ladies is my least favourite discipline in fs.
the belgian and slovakian girls were good and did their nations proud. the chinese girl skating to mononoke was lovely - she's to be watched closely, can achieve great things. sorry for the lack of names here - it's night and everything...
MARIAH. was. awesome. her gorgeous stsq was the BEST part of the event for me. should be way above wagner and many others who somehow got better scores than her. i didn't expect to like her so much. (it'd be nice if she bowed to everyone in the audience, not just the judges, though)
the crowd loved mai mihara and she skated very... diligently.
tursynbaeva - the SECOND BEST part of the event. she was massively underscored in pcs. she's small but fills the arena like nobody else. very impressive. her skating is big, has this sweeping quality to it. her presence is amazing. clean-ish skate, too. she really commands your attention live. i hope she'll be getting medals in the future.
ashley - the beginning was nice. conveyed the sense of tranquility very well. 2nd half was a snooze-fest and she was slow and labored and boring. expected so much more from her. marks were way too generous.
rika - look, she's not hard done by. the quality just isn't there. even with this crowd-pleaser of a riverdance program. i'm sure she's a lovely girl but it would be unfair to others to be more generous to her.
wakaba - the EDGES. swoon-worthy skating skills. very underscored, again. i expect great things from her in the future, provided the judges stop being so unfair to her. no other girl today had equally deep edges.
best so far: MARIAH, TURSYNBAEVA, WAKABA.
next:
the last group. maria is beautiful and elegant. don't understand her pcs. i'd have been more generous. i'll have to check those protocols. karen chen - i knew nothing about her and liked her VERY MUCH. beautiful and refined, when she was done, i was hoping she could grab a medal maybe. anna - ok this is the kind of stuff tragedies are made of. i was rooting for her to win, or at least medal. she can. she deserves it after so being underscored so often (esp. when compared to other skaters whose scores increase when the quality of their performance decreases...). cried with her when she was done and waiting for her scores. the second and last time for me to cry tonight.**
zhenya - well done. the crowd adored her.
the canadians - gabrielle has an empty program but she executed it very well. great music - she didn't get slow/tired and managed to keep up with the spunky music very well. i really hoped she could get that silver because...
osmond - great performance of one of the dullest programs i've ever seen.
** there's a problem with the judging. i adore anna but she got a better score than clean zijun li. just think about it. it's just wrong. speaking of silver linings: there were complaints after the sp that anna was held back and the canadians were a bit overscored compared to her. well, she could have been 1st after the sp and with that meltdown it would have made no difference in the end...
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Now that the event was over I went back and watched Gabby's and Kaetlyn's free skates and the big difference to me was that Gabby really seemed to be enjoying herself while Kaetlyn was feeling the pressure. But that is to be understood. No one - (and I am pretty sure without going back and checking) but no one really thought Gabby would be on the podium here! Although I do think some one might have predicted it more as a joke! Kaetlyn was being picked to medal so she was under the pressure more then Gabby. Even if Gabby had dropped to 6th or 7th here - she still would have done well by placing 3rd in the long - so she had nothing to lose and she skated that way!
And for those saying Alaine must be jumping with joy - no so fast - we have a couple other ladies who may surprise next season. And if Alaine does not get her act back together soon, one of them might just past her. Larkyn has been proving herself capable each time out this season. She added a 3F for Canadians and then added the Lutz for the Challenge! If she gets so she can land them both together in a program and Alaine makes big mistakes.... well who knows!
And for those saying Alaine must be jumping with joy - no so fast - we have a couple other ladies who may surprise next season. And if Alaine does not get her act back together soon, one of them might just past her. Larkyn has been proving herself capable each time out this season. She added a 3F for Canadians and then added the Lutz for the Challenge! If she gets so she can land them both together in a program and Alaine makes big mistakes.... well who knows!
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Indeed. Yet, it's been over a decade now, and many of the same problems that have plagued the scoring system this whole time have remained unchanged. It's grim. The rare magical moments, like Karen Chen's SP, are the only thing worth continuing to follow the sport for. Which is why viewership is so dead, outside of a couple places like this.
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Pretty proud of Masha this year. She did well in her senior debut and was easily one of the strongest rookie I can think of this year. 8th with a fall is acceptable considering she had pretty safe programs. Anyway....glad she held it together enough to get a score that kept her on pace with Ashley and Caro...and that third spot!!! That's good company and with more exciting programs like she's had in the past I think her future looks to be a good one. I wouldn't be surprised if she puts up a strong fight to go to Korea next season.
Anyway....congrats to her on a nice debut!
Anyway....congrats to her on a nice debut!
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Yeah for me Ashley was enjoyable too despite technical issues and mental walkabout (that 1T after 3F in the beginning really bit her at the end for example ).
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Congratulations to Karen and to the top 3. Weird, I just had a hunch that Ashley was not going to be on the podium.
Now we will see if Karen can hang on and win GP medals. The 'top US lady' spot is one thing to achieve, another to maintain.
This worlds did not work out well for me as far as watching it as it happens. I much prefer watching it in full then playing catch up watching videos. The timing was all off. I have to be up at the crack of dawn tomorrow so watching the men live won't happen.
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Now we will see if Karen can hang on and win GP medals. The 'top US lady' spot is one thing to achieve, another to maintain.
This worlds did not work out well for me as far as watching it as it happens. I much prefer watching it in full then playing catch up watching videos. The timing was all off. I have to be up at the crack of dawn tomorrow so watching the men live won't happen.
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What a disgusting post.
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Nashville.
Your inconsistency with logic is astounding. Because you like Anna you emphatically declare she'll survive a bad outing and yet in Wakaba's debut season you said the fed will dump her if she has even one mistake and she won't be able to ever improve. Anna has another epic meltdown and you're of a completely different mindset. That's one moody crystal ball
You only need to use logic to deduce it, dear.
Russia has 3 spots, they don't have a clear #3. Anna has the international score to back up her claim. She's going for the #3 spot.
Japan has 2 spots and very clear #1 and #2. Wakaba doesn't have international results to back up her claim. At her best, she's like #5 or #6. International judges don't care for Wakaba.
There is absolutely nothing inconsistent about my claim. You need to relearn logic first before coming for me.
Medvedeva: It's boring to watch her skate because the outcome (both the success of her jumps and a stratospheric score) seems predetermined. However, it's hard to deny that she is one of the greatest competitors and female athletes this sport has ever seen. Where was the 3-3-3 though!?
Osmond: She is being set up to challenge for Olympic gold next year. I would have had her slighly ahead of Med in the short, and if she gets a better long program and keeps it together anything could happen in Korea. The judges love her and I can't blame them.
Daleman: There is something so unrefined and down to earth about her skating. I think she could have been a power gymnast in another life. Her long program was the perfect vehicle for her this season.
Chen: Wow. People wanted this girl off the World team, she gets injured two weeks ago, her practices were reportedly horrible all week, and she comes out at finishes fourth?! The gods were smiling on USFSA (and Gracie and Mirai).
Wagner: It wasn't her year. She should be commended for fighting through and not completely bombing. Still one of my favorites--under rotations, slow skating, wonky spins and all
Kostner: Love the grace and maturity of this lady, and it puts a smile on my face as a long time skating fan to see her out there. Did not like the long program and would have had her behind Wagner.
Pogorilaya: Johnny Weir was in fine form during her disaster of a performance, and I don't blame him for his harsh comments. There really was no reason for her to stay on the ice for so long after her program. Is it possible to get a further deduction in Performance/Execution for theatrics after the performance is over? Good grief.
Osmond: She is being set up to challenge for Olympic gold next year. I would have had her slighly ahead of Med in the short, and if she gets a better long program and keeps it together anything could happen in Korea. The judges love her and I can't blame them.
Daleman: There is something so unrefined and down to earth about her skating. I think she could have been a power gymnast in another life. Her long program was the perfect vehicle for her this season.
Chen: Wow. People wanted this girl off the World team, she gets injured two weeks ago, her practices were reportedly horrible all week, and she comes out at finishes fourth?! The gods were smiling on USFSA (and Gracie and Mirai).
Wagner: It wasn't her year. She should be commended for fighting through and not completely bombing. Still one of my favorites--under rotations, slow skating, wonky spins and all
Kostner: Love the grace and maturity of this lady, and it puts a smile on my face as a long time skating fan to see her out there. Did not like the long program and would have had her behind Wagner.
Pogorilaya: Johnny Weir was in fine form during her disaster of a performance, and I don't blame him for his harsh comments. There really was no reason for her to stay on the ice for so long after her program. Is it possible to get a further deduction in Performance/Execution for theatrics after the performance is over? Good grief.
Medvedeva: It's boring to watch her skate because the outcome (both the success of her jumps and a stratospheric score) seems predetermined. However, it's hard to deny that she is one of the greatest competitors and female athletes this sport has ever seen. Where was the 3-3-3 though!?
Osmond: She is being set up to challenge for Olympic gold next year. I would have had her slighly ahead of Med in the short, and if she gets a better long program and keeps it together anything could happen in Korea. The judges love her and I can't blame them.
Daleman: There is something so unrefined and down to earth about her skating. I think she could have been a power gymnast in another life. Her long program was the perfect vehicle for her this season.
Chen: Wow. People wanted this girl off the World team, she gets injured two weeks ago, her practices were reportedly horrible all week, and she comes out at finishes fourth?! The gods were smiling on USFSA (and Gracie and Mirai).
Wagner: It wasn't her year. She should be commended for fighting through and not completely bombing. Still one of my favorites--under rotations, slow skating, wonky spins and all
Kostner: Love the grace and maturity of this lady, and it puts a smile on my face as a long time skating fan to see her out there. Did not like the long program and would have had her behind Wagner.
Pogorilaya: Johnny Weir was in fine form during her disaster of a performance, and I don't blame him for his harsh comments. There really was no reason for her to stay on the ice for so long after her program. Is it possible to get a further deduction in Performance/Execution for theatrics after the performance is over? Good grief.
Ohh, come on?!! Are you joking? That wasn't theatrics, she was in pain, real pain. She was crashed
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I kinda predicted Gabby would be on the podium
But it was only because I'd seen her live a week ago and knew she was ready to kick butt. I have big doubts that Larkyn will go to the Olympics. She's lovely, but she has no 3-3. Aurora Cotop will likely surpass her if she doesn't get one soon.
Alaine better be prepping herself real good for this once in a life time opportunity.
For the rest of you guys, here's a graphic about how the judges looked at these ladies from Tulup: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C8Rd2CSWsAA8nLj.jpg
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I don't get how Zijun's cleanish TES only beat Anna's disastrous TES by 0.96 points. Never mind her PCS is 13 below hers as well at measly 49, drop of 6 points after from previous competition. ISU might as well say you don't belong here, just give up. There's nothing you can do. What can skaters like her possibly do at this point?
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A great split screen video of Kaetlyn's and Gabby's joyous reactions to winning.
This is not on youtube yet so go to the BC page. You can check out these Ladies' experiences and pain en route to the victories while you are there.
This is not on youtube yet so go to the BC page. You can check out these Ladies' experiences and pain en route to the victories while you are there.
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thank you so much for the link!!!!!
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Man I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss Wakaba. She grabbed a bronze at her first GP event. She's been on the Japanese National podium for years now, even as a junior (it was thanks to this that Mao could go to Worlds last year). She's a two time World Junior bronze medallist, as well as a JGPF bronze medallist. She's not Japan's top lady, and maybe not even 2nd but she's definitely a factor. In any small European Nation she would be a number 1.
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