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2018-19 U.S. Men’s figure skating

evasorange said:
Speaking of inconsistent judging🙄 what was up with Nathan getting a level 2 step sequence? When Samarin got level 4?? I know Nathan had some sloppiness we didn’t see at skate America but seriously? American singles skaters are being judged pretty harshly on gp this year. No room for error.
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The actual inconsistent judging you’re looking for is Nathan bringing in more GOE on his StSq than Samarin.

So is every nation being underscored this year? I mean, there’s the new anti-Russia conspiracy that’s inflltrated tech panels to issue “FAKE UR” calls, Marin Honda needs to sue the judges for intentionally inflicting emotional distress via PCS, and now the American men are being targeted too?! Let’s be real: the ISU is more stupid than malevolent. Malevolence takes effort. :popcorn:
 
Mrs. P said:
Not if the standings remain where they are. Alexander Samarin would go to GPF and Jun-Hwan Cha would be the first alternate.

For Jason to be first alternate Jason would have to win and Alexander Samarin would have to drop to 3rd (EDITED: thanks Snow White).
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If Jason Brown wins, you don't think that a Nathan Chen 2nd place finish is a likely scenario ?
 
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Something that came to mind today, when I was watching Nathan....who is monitoring his spins/overall skating. I was always under the impression that Vera handles that stuff, yet Nathan only mentions filming his quads. He has also admitted that he hates spins. I wonder if he is drilling them as much as he should. He improved them a lot pre-Olympics, but they seem to be sliding back again.

I still think he has an advantage going into tomorrow, but he looked off today.
 
zanadude said:
If Jason Brown wins, you don't think that a Nathan Chan 2nd place finish is a likely scenario ?
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Oh my original prediction was 4th, but then Snow White corrected me. I do think that Nathan being 2nd is very likely, if he doesn't win outright. If Nathan has a SkAM FS and Jason has a ACI FS (or even a SCI one) then Nathan will win.

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But alternative universe, guys: Jason is the ONLY U.S. man to score 50+TES so far in the SP this season. Who would have thought. :laugh:
 
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Mrs. P said:
Oh my original prediction was 4th, but then Snow White corrected me. I do think that Nathan being 2nd is very likely, if he doesn't win outright. If Nathan has a SkAM FS and Jason has a ACI FS (or even a SCI one) then Nathan will win.

ETA:

But alternative universe, guys: Jason is the ONLY U.S. man to score 50+TES so far in the SP this season. Who would have thought. :laugh:
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I just saw Jason's SP on YouTube. He really was fantastic. He had such height and distance in his Jumps. The program was really well choreographed and he did it perfectly. However, it will surprise me if he can remain ahead of Nathan in the LP if Nathan lands his jumps. I'm excited for the FP.
 
Mrs. P said:
Oh my original prediction was 4th, but then Snow White corrected me. I do think that Nathan being 2nd is very likely, if he doesn't win outright. If Nathan has a SkAM FS and Jason has a ACI FS (or even a SCI one) then Nathan will win.

ETA:

But alternative universe, guys: Jason is the ONLY U.S. man to score 50+TES so far in the SP this season. Who would have thought. :laugh:
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He actually has the highest total SP score for US men at the moment. But the FS is a whole other beast and we’ll have to see how much of what he was able to do today in terms of focus and execution carries over tomorrow. He’s got twice as many jumping passes to deal with and the program is a lot harder to sell.

Nathan to me looks like he’s been studying a lot and hasn’t been able to devote quite as much time and energy to training. It’s gotta be tough for him.
 
Tavi... said:
He actually has the highest total SP score for US men at the moment. But the FS is a whole other beast and we’ll have to see how much of what he was able to do today in terms of focus and execution carries over tomorrow. He’s got twice as many jumping passes to deal with and the program is a lot harder to sell.

Nathan to me looks like he’s been studying a lot and hasn’t been able to devote quite as much time and energy to training. It’s gotta be tough for him.
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This is where Jason needs a quad for the FS because almost everyone is doing at least one, even Dennis is trying it. And really has nothing to lose.

It does seem like Nathan is studying a lot and seems off. I agree that Yale and this must be really tough.

I wish everyone the best, but there is a part of me that doesnt want Nathan to win because he might get too comfortable at the GPF. And without winning, it reignites him, but again dont know the big question with school.

I am more surprised at his levels and Raf should point this out to him because it is easy point for him and just off in this event.
 
century2009 said:
This is where Jason needs a quad for the FS because almost everyone is doing at least one, even Dennis is trying it. And really has nothing to lose.

It does seem like Nathan is studying a lot and seems off. I agree that Yale and this must be really tough.

I wish everyone the best, but there is a part of me that doesnt want Nathan to win because he might get too comfortable at the GPF. And without winning, it reignites him, but again dont know the big question with school.

I am more surprised at his levels and Raf should point this out to him because it is easy point for him and just off in this event.
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Jason has a 4S first in his FS. I saw livestream of practice this morning and he fell on almost all of his attempts. Nathan landed his jumps but didn’t show much performance quality in his run through- perhaps just saving energy. He doesn’t strike me as someone who gets complacent and he would have to fall really far - 7th? - to miss GPF. But he mentioned he has finals coming up and it looks to me like he’s struggling a bit with balance between skating and school.
 
Tavi... said:
Jason has a 4S first in his FS. I saw livestream of practice this morning and he fell on almost all of his attempts. Nathan landed his jumps but didn’t show much performance quality in his run through- perhaps just saving energy. He doesn’t strike me as someone who gets complacent and he would have to fall really far - 7th? - to miss GPF. But he mentioned he has finals coming up and it looks to me like he’s struggling a bit with balance between skating and school.
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Looking at the scores, Jason could have held onto his lead with a clean 8 triple LP. He only tried 5 and rotated 4, so there's a lot of room to improve on his LP marks here. He can get scores of +3 and +4 on his best executed triples, so he'd really have to have a solid quad to make it worth replace one of his triples for.
 
This result was not a surprise. Even with his lead, I just couldn't see Jason holding off a clean Nathan. Congratulations to both Men for finishing 1-2. This makes Nationals that much more exciting.
 
mrrice said:
This result was not a surprise. Even with his lead, I just couldn't see Jason holding off a clean Nathan. Congratulations to both Men for finishing 1-2. This makes Nationals that much more exciting.
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I wondered if he'd medal at all since he didn't attempt a quad in the free. Very happy that was not the case.

And, yes, Nationals is shaping up to be more exciting than I originally thought!
 
drivingmissdaisy said:
Looking at the scores, Jason could have held onto his lead with a clean 8 triple LP. He only tried 5 and rotated 4, so there's a lot of room to improve on his LP marks here. He can get scores of +3 and +4 on his best executed triples, so he'd really have to have a solid quad to make it worth replace one of his triples for.
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Agreed! Had he jumped all his planned triples with the 2A, he could possibly have won - or if not, come much closer to Nathan technically.

I was actually a little surprised that he started the season with a 4S in his FS given that he was relearning his jumps. That said, I was even more surprised that they pulled it for the 2A today, because I thought Brian was big on sticking to planned program content. It almost seems like they were trying to play it safe so he’d medal, and I think that might have been why he popped a couple of times - he wasn’t just focused calmly on doing what he needed to do, but trying not to screw up. It’s not just that he was in first, but that he was in first with that humongous quadless score.

Anyway, that said, I know he wants a quad very badly but I’m wondering if they might change strategy until it’s more solid in practice. I think it would be really interesting to see how big a FS score he could achieve without a quad. After all, that’s kind of why changes were made to the system.

Golden Spin is in two weeks so I guess we’ll see.
 
I wonder if Jason's SP score would count as an honorary world record? Like highest SP score without a quad? Dunno how anyone else feels about it but I love my world record holder, Jason Brown!! ;)
 
zschultz1986 said:
Interesting Note: Not only did Jason not have a quad, he didn't even do a triple-triple in his free.
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It just goes to show you that there aren't any "throwaway" elements. You don't necessarily need difficulty to pad your lead; you can do it with great execution of spins and footwork, in addition to the jumps.
 
Jason's SP win in TES is exactly what I like about the new system - rewarding quality. That program was magical.

His skating skills are just to die for.
 
drivingmissdaisy said:
It just goes to show you that there aren't any "throwaway" elements. You don't necessarily need difficulty to pad your lead; you can do it with great execution of spins and footwork, in addition to the jumps.
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One thing that helps is that the technical panel and judges are being much more strict with levels and GOE with spin and steps. Even Jason was not immune from getting a level 3 (even the dreaded V) a few times this season. But more often than not, Jason gets the levels and GOE and that really helps him.
 
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