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Even if he is currently not that consistent, long-term he is an incredible prospect. With a 3A now, and the quad in the works, that kind of athlete needs to be pushed into competitions and they should be allowed to hone their various skills, not be left behind.
It's always more difficult to get going in competitions, even if your jumps are great in practice so at some point he is going to have to have the opportunity to go through those growing pains on the international scene and the younger the better.

But now he's left hanging in the wind and for no reason whatsoever. Sena isn't the only one who shouldn't have had priority here. Considering Yuma's performance and where he finished ultimately in Richmond, it would have been far better to give that spot to Shun.

Saw this coming~:disapp:

Based on Sena's history and his performance in Canada, I can understand why people would feel that Shun Sato should have been considered for a JGP before him.
Saying Shun would have been a better choice for the second spot in Canada over Yuma though...I just don't agree.

Yuma's popped 3A in his FS was unfortunate, but his JGP SP score of 75.60 remains the highest awarded to a Japanese junior man so far this season.
His total of 194.73 and 4th place finish in his JGP debut (and only second international competition ever) is IMO a very admirable accomplishment.
With two clean-ish programs, Shun may have been able to score and possibly place higher, however, he could've just as easily had a rough competition resulting in scores closer to Sena's.
Though Shun has not yet been given the opportunity to compete in a JGP, he has participated in a good number of international events over the past few seasons with mixed results.
Once Sena's assignment was decided, I truly feel that Yuma was the safer, more reliable skater to send with him as backup.

Consistency discussion aside, Yuma fairly earned his first JGP with his early season win at Asian Open Trophy (over Tatsuya Tsuboi) and for his solid score and win (over Shun) at Kanto Summer Trophy.
He deservedly gets a second JGP as a result of his respectable performance and placement at JGP Canada (over Sena).
He's also training a quad and will likely be including a 3A combo in his FS before the season ends.
For now he maximizes his BV by backloading his jump combos in both SP and FS.
He dispalys solid skating skills and jump technique. He's one of the better spinners among the Japanese junior men and IMO an engaging performer and determined competitor.

I know many fans of Yuzuru also support Shun Sato (perhaps partly because he's also from Sendai and an admirer of Yuzuru himself) and have been anticipating his JGP debut.
As an avid supporter of the young, up and coming juniors (including Shun), I don't think it's necessary, appropriate or fair to downplay or ignore the accomplishments of certain skaters in the process of showing support for others.


Ah JSF, holding on to their tradition of idiocy.

It always warms my heart. If Shun Sato were from any other country, they'd be all over him. But no. No. JSF will in fact make sure he cannot even get one single JGP assignment and collect some crucial international experience at his age, as well as making sure the judges see him.

I mean why would you possibly, possibly want a kid with a 3A and who is working on a quad now to go onto the international scene? No, no reason, when so many others have priority, for various nonsense reasons. Sigh. Sheer idiocy.

You should consider sharing your concerns regarding JSF's (in)ability to make proper decisions with Vice President, Shizuka Arakawa or director, Minoru Sano.
I'm sure they'd be interested to hear your opinion of them. (...or not)
 
Speaking of Shun Sato, Yuma Kagiyama and others, here the results of regionals https://mobile.twitter.com/figureskatingm1/status/1046334254601269255
Shun won with clean 4T and 3A-3T in his free program.

Results and protocols in English can be found here: https://www.jsfresults.com/non_responsive_toppage.htm?figure_top.htm%2CNational/2018-2019/fs_e/block2/index.htm

While Kao still needs to stablize his 3A, another skater who has jumped 3A and got ractified in both SP/FS is RYUSEI KIKUCHI. This group of young men are definitely the future to be watched!
 
So why doesn’t Shun have a JGP assignment? He could have won this week JGP in Ostrava with this score.

Because JSF decided that there were better skaters than him to send in JGPs.
Honestly, most of them did well so far. But you have Sena Miyake or Tatsuya Tsuboi (who medaled because he was in the weakest field by far) who could have stay home.
But well, it's done. He should just focus on junior nats.
 
Because JSF decided that there were better skaters than him to send in JGPs.
Honestly, most of them did well so far. But you have Sena Miyake or Tatsuya Tsuboi (who medaled because he was in the weakest field by far) who could have stay home.
But well, it's done. He should just focus on junior nats.
The one who medaled in JGP is Yuto Kishina not Tatsuya Tsuboi.
Tatsuya's condition was not good in the summer competitions.

I think Shun just ranked behind Yuma in getting JGP assignments...
 
The one who medaled in JGP is Yuto Kishina not Tatsuya Tsuboi.
Tatsuya's condition was not good in the summer competitions.

I think Shun just ranked behind Yuma in getting JGP assignments...

Yes, my bad. It was Yuto Kishina.
 
I know many fans of Yuzuru also support Shun Sato (perhaps partly because he's also from Sendai and an admirer of Yuzuru himself) and have been anticipating his JGP debut.
As an avid supporter of the young, up and coming juniors (including Shun), I don't think it's necessary, appropriate or fair to downplay or ignore the accomplishments of certain skaters in the process of showing support for others.

Or you know, I may know talent when I see it but it's hardly the first time, nor the last, that a Yuzuru Hanyu supporter must make up their mind somehow in connection to Yuzuru. Heaven forbid we may actually be able to form opinion regardless of what Yuzuru does, or his origin, or whatever. No, no, we are all one giant hive mind where all our opinions are connected to him. Absolutely. :sarcasm:

And I am not downplaying anything. Russian ladies didn't become so powerful by being kind-hearted. This is a sport.

Yuma came in fourth. If he had at least medalled, that would have been something but he did not. He got his shot at JGP and it ended how it did. Did he skate well? Yes he did. But that is not the same as grabbing one of the top spots.

Could Shun have totally blown his JGP assignment? Absolutely. Could he have landed, as he just did (and it wasn't even an entirely clean free skate) both his 3As and the quad? He could have. We will never know, thanks to the great wisdom of JSF. With this score he would have medalled at every single JGP event so far. With those scores he could have won at two.

RusFed hasn't been trying their best to give Artur Danielian as much time as possible, and the best shot possible for nothing. If Shun were Russian, or from any other skating federation, he would have had two assignments without even having to think about it. Talent trumps all here because you push your young skaters into the international world of JGP which yes, is by miles more important than random, tiny nothing of competitions. But I mean if say Bavarian Open is so great, then you won't mind if Yuma/Yuto go there and Shun gets the JGP shot, right?

The point is, right at the beginning, both Shun and Yuma should have had priority after Koshiro. Not Mistuki, not Sena, not Yuto.
That's it. Those three should have had 2 and over and done with. Instead, the most talented youngster, who needs to be getting as much experience at the highest levels possible right now, got left with nothing. Just fantastic behavior by JSF. But hardly unusual.
Please don't even try. The filthy BTS games of Japan Fed are hardly news.
 
I don't know if there is really such political game in Japan but when i see some decisions, i wonder....
 
I would like to just give some other thought about JGP assignment, maybe JSF decision is just because they are younger. As a federation, they would like to prepare the older junior skater to have international experience as much as possible before those skater moved to senior. Of course if older skater not perform in competition, the next opportunity is given away. Like how sena do not get his second JGP assignment. Even if Shun get 2 JGP and win everything this year, he still need to wait before able to move to Sr. JSF historically, when a junior skater is on podium everywhere, they definitely moved to Senior the next year like how Daisuke, Yuzuru, even Shoma was moved to Senior after at podium in JGPF and World. I understand the frustration as results and talent triumph everything, but for JSF, they need to think for growth of all the skater not just a skater. For my opinion, this is the better choice for growth of Japan skater overall. To distribute the wealth. :slink:
 
I would like to just give some other thought about JGP assignment, maybe JSF decision is just because they are younger. As a federation, they would like to prepare the older junior skater to have international experience as much as possible before those skater moved to senior. Of course if older skater not perform in competition, the next opportunity is given away. Like how sena do not get his second JGP assignment. Even if Shun get 2 JGP and win everything this year, he still need to wait before able to move to Sr. JSF historically, when a junior skater is on podium everywhere, they definitely moved to Senior the next year like how Daisuke, Yuzuru, even Shoma was moved to Senior after at podium in JGPF and World. I understand the frustration as results and talent triumph everything, but for JSF, they need to think for growth of all the skater not just a skater. For my opinion, this is the better choice for growth of Japan skater overall. To distribute the wealth. :slink:

I think the JGP selection skate contributes a lot to the JGP assignment (though of course there're always politics)
A example is that Tatsuya Tsuboi did not have even a single assignment though he is from Nagoya
 
The drawing of Kinki regional competitions was held earlier this evening. The following is the starting order of Sr. men:

Senior Men
1. 友野 一希 Kazuki Tomono
2. 本田 太一 Taichi Honda
3. 櫛田 一樹 Kazuki Kushida
4. 山田 晋一 Shinichi Yamada
5. 山隈 太一朗 Taichiro Yamakuma

6.中村 優 Shu Nakamura
7.髙橋 大輔 Daisuke Takahashi
8.笹原 景一朗 Keiichro Sasaha
9.渡邊 純也 Junya Watanabera
10. 時國隼輔 Junsuke Tokikuni

(Adding: by the time the SP starts [on Oct. 7th, around 15:00 local time], there will be live score update on this page - https://www.jsfresults.com/National/2018-2019/fs_j/block5/data0103.htm)
 
The drawing of Kinki regional competitions was held earlier this evening. The following is the starting order of Sr. men:

Senior Men
1. 友野 一希 Kazuki Tomono
2. 本田 太一 Taichi Honda
3. 櫛田 一樹 Kazuki Kushida
4. 山田 晋一 Shinichi Yamada
5. 山隈 太一朗 Taichiro Yamakuma

6.中村 優 Shu Nakamura
7.髙橋 大輔 Daisuke Takahashi
8.笹原 景一朗 Keiichro Sasaha
9.渡邊 純也 Junya Watanabera
10. 時國隼輔 Junsuke Tokikuni

(Adding: by the time the SP starts [on Oct. 7th, around 15:00 local time], there will be live score update on this page - https://www.jsfresults.com/National/2018-2019/fs_j/block5/data0103.htm)

Thank you for this. Feeling butterflies for Daisuke. Want so much for him to do well.
 
I would say one fluff competition in a skater's home country is nothing like the rigors of a full season of travel, committing to training, the nervous tension of "real" competitions, etc. Still, we can always dream, right?!
 
I apologize for bringing this back now. I just want it over with so I can enjoy all the other excitement going on with the men.

Or you know, I may know talent when I see it but it's hardly the first time, nor the last, that a Yuzuru Hanyu supporter must make up their mind somehow in connection to Yuzuru. Heaven forbid we may actually be able to form opinion regardless of what Yuzuru does, or his origin, or whatever. No, no, we are all one giant hive mind where all our opinions are connected to him. Absolutely. :sarcasm:

Yuzuru is my absolute favorite and I support him whole heartedly. So your "we" includes me.
Until the 2014-15 season I was a Yuzuru fan, more than a figure skating fan.
I believe it was during this same season (or maybe the next) that I saw a feature on Shun Sato which focused on his connection and admiration for Yuzuru and my interest was piqued.
I've been following his progress and anticipating his JGP debut since. Didn’t realize I was the only fan susceptible to J-media ploy.

And I am not downplaying anything. Russian ladies didn't become so powerful by being kind-hearted. This is a sport.

Agreed. This a sport. And IMO, champions are not built by being coddled.
Yet, some international fans continue to question JSF's "poor" decision-making when majority of the time (as I see it) these decisions are made not for temporary gratification and glory
but to prepare their athletes to be strong, successful competitors into the future.

Yuma came in fourth. If he had at least medalled, that would have been something but he did not. He got his shot at JGP and it ended how it did. Did he skate well? Yes he did. But that is not the same as grabbing one of the top spots.

It was good enough to earn another chance. He'll try his best in Yerevan.

Could Shun have totally blown his JGP assignment? Absolutely. Could he have landed, as he just did (and it wasn't even an entirely clean free skate) both his 3As and the quad? He could have. We will never know, thanks to the great wisdom of JSF. With this score he would have medalled at every single JGP event so far. With those scores he could have won at two.

Shun was AMAZING at block. Now he can go do it again at Sectional, and Junior Nats, then Nats.
That way he’ll be sent to JW and have the opportunity to impress the international judges, and earn max JGP spots for next season. (Not being sarcastic, I really want this for him.)
And should this happen, we won’t need to revisit this conversation.

RusFed hasn't been trying their best to give Artur Danielian as much time as possible, and the best shot possible for nothing. If Shun were Russian, or from any other skating federation, he would have had two assignments without even having to think about it. Talent trumps all here because you push your young skaters into the international world of JGP which yes, is by miles more important than random, tiny nothing of competitions. But I mean if say Bavarian Open is so great, then you won't mind if Yuma/Yuto go there and Shun gets the JGP shot, right?

Don't mind at all. Bavarian Open, Coupe du Printemps, Asian Open, Torun Cup...I don't care where the boys are sent, as long as they're sent somewhere to gain valuable international experience.
IMO, too many junior men with potential stuck at home.
Had it been Shun instead of Yuma or Yuto, I would've supported and cheered for him just the same.
I never once said Shun didn't deserve a JGP. I only said shouldn't be assigned with Sena. I did mention in a previous post that I was surprised he wasn't being sent to Ostrava with Mitsuki.

The point is, right at the beginning, both Shun and Yuma should have had priority after Koshiro. Not Mistuki, not Sena, not Yuto.
That's it. Those three should have had 2 and over and done with. Instead, the most talented youngster, who needs to be getting as much experience at the highest levels possible right now, got left with nothing. Just fantastic behavior by JSF. But hardly unusual.
Please don't even try. The filthy BTS games of Japan Fed are hardly news.

Since his last injury, Mitsuki has struggled with confidence on the 3A and his consistency has suffered a bit.
However, he’s remains reliable enough, his skating skills and transitions are high quality and he’s able to garner decent GOEs and PCS to balance his lower BV.
Considering his ability and history, I feel that Mitsuki, more than anyone, deserved top priority for a JGP assignment and the opportunity to better his standings before his Senior debut.

You say Koshiro should've been first pick but his condition was uncertain until the selection event.
And regardless of performing well there he still needed to prove that he had recovered from injury and was fully able to compete again.
He knew this, which is why he apologizes in his bio for making everyone worry about him last season.

As asyuraniel touched upon in post #250 (:thank:), in Japan there is importance placed upon senpai-kouhai (hierarchical) relationship.
The skaters themselves may be lax about this when interacting with each other but it does seem to play a large part in decisions made by the federation. The skaters understand this. You don't hear them complaining.

You don't have to agree with JSF's methods but I personally find your attack on them unwarranted and offensive.
So until you or someone else can provide me with solid proof of “dirty politics”, I would appreciate if you stop with the bad mouthing and ugly conspiracy theories.
 
I think Koshiro have high chance getting into JGPF since his total score of 433+ is huge. Mozalev almost in surely he only need 3rd place, thus securing 5th qualifier. the other possible qualifier is Yuto and Siao Him Fa which need to at least silver with 240+ score to beat Koshiro in tiebreaker which looks impossible. Lastly since Yuma didn't medal and place 4th he need to win, a silver won't do if he want to go to JGPF.
 
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