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He didn’t specify which competitors. Every competitor with the exception of Nathan, who is the only obvious selection to the team, I suppose.
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He didn’t specify which competitors. Every competitor with the exception of Nathan, who is the only obvious selection to the team, I suppose.
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Nothing too major, but Ashley wasn’t the national champ in 2016. She was 3rd? Gracie was the champ and Polina was 2nd.
I hope so. If he was implying there was nepotism involved, then USFS need to look at themselves in the mirror.
Since a lot of people are (very understandably) upset :
Do you think one of the possibility to prevent those situations is to "simply" do it the Korean way ? They have A LOT of competition where all the acts from the same country go head to head to really see who stands out. Or something like trials (2 maybe ?).
That is almost non possible because it will take to much time during the season, but if all of you are angry, it could be a solution. Or ask the federation to properly publish the criteria (I feel like some discovered it right now).
Or to actually make the selection "live" : after every event (GP, senior B's, GPF), you get to see who is standing at which place for the Olympic selection.
Don't mock me
I'm trying to find a proper solution, because I think the selection can be too blurry !
Do you think one of the possibility to prevent those situations is to "simply" do it the Korean way ? They have A LOT of competition where all the acts from the same country go head to head to really see who stands out. Or something like trials (2 maybe ?).
That is almost non possible because it will take to much time during the season, but if all of you are angry, it could be a solution. Or ask the federation to properly publish the criteria (I feel like some discovered it right now).
Or to actually make the selection "live" : after every event (GP, senior B's, GPF), you get to see who is standing at which place for the Olympic selection.
Don't mock me
I'm trying to find a proper solution, because I think the selection can be too blurry !
I hear you, though I feel like Wylie and Miner aren't really comparable (but I get you're saying you prefer they just go in the order of finish). If we were talking about a talented but inconsistent skater, a newbie with little to no BOW or even someone typically middle-of-the-road having the performance of a lifetime, it may not have come to this, but Ross has consistently been a very poor competitor outside of this one moment. I don't think type of decision is going to be something they start throwing around flippantly.
Ross' quadruple Salchow is quadruple-miner-ed.
Well that's how life is sometimes. We have to accept it and move on.
On paper it definitely looks bad. But nowadays the selection criteria is not just solely or even mostly Nationals, it's Nationals situated within the larger context of other competition results from the past year. And Miner hasn't been doing well in ANY competition for basically the past 5 years.
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Since a lot of people are (very understandably) upset :
Do you think one of the possibility to prevent those situations is to "simply" do it the Korean way ? They have A LOT of competition where all the acts from the same country go head to head to really see who stands out.
That is almost non possible because it will take to much time during the season, but if all of you are angry, it could be a solution. Or ask the federation to properly publish the criteria (I feel like some discovered it right now).
Or to actually make the selection "live" : after every event (GP, senior B's, GPF), you get to see who is standing at which place for the Olympic selection.
Don't mock me
I'm not angry, but I do think a mathematical formula for the criteria would be helpful. For example a medal is worth 3 points, top 6 worth 2 points and top 10 worth 1 point. Then give a factor to each tier. So tier 1 is x3, and tier 2 t x2. Or something like that. The only problem with that would be factoring in for skaters who couldn't compete due to injury. Maybe and extra point or half point could be given to someone who was expected to make a team but couldn't compete due to injury.
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Absolutely, totally furious! Who did Jason Brown and Max Aaron pay off for all of this to happen?
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The writer is even more humourous with “The only argument is if other mothers’ competitors are on the selection committee,” Rippon said on a teleconference."
Furthermore, the -3 for falls is a REDUCTION in GOE, not the required GOE. A judge can award the final GOE of more (meaning towards 0) than -3 for a fall because what they are required to do is reduce the GOE they would have given the skater for a properly executed element. For example if there is a fall on the jump which had a nice take off, air position, speed and full rotation, the judge may have given the skater +1 for it had it been landed properly. So the final GOE from that judge is -2.
The list of required reductions is towards the end of the document with scale of values that was posted.
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Um...so that we have a national champion
I agree that a simple Mathematical formula should be given, it's very easy to understand. And then, factors : If you are below 4th place at nationals, if you had an injury, etc.
The ony "issue" with this, is if the opposite situations happens. Example : a skater gets selected for 1 event compared to many more event by other skaters who were just not good that day in comparaison to their intl competitions. According to criterias and factor, the skater gets to go. But I'm thinking this is just a question of factors and a proper organisation should figure out the numbers correctly (otherwise there is no credibility).
But seeing that Grant isn't even doing 4CC makes me think there is no "real" formula, even though the Olympic team is fair.
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Eww. At least this should have gone to Ross :angry1:
EDIT: I just realised Ross isn't even 1st alternate even for WORLDS! W-T-F
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It will be forgotten in a month, just like Ross when he retires.
I think you vastly overestimate how much people care.
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The general public may not care, but I know Ross, Grant, their coaches, friends and families do care. This is an Olympic season, not just any season, and while I am not surprised that neither were named to the Olympic team, I do feel that Ross should have been called to Worlds and Grant should have been called to 4CC.
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