2020-21 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[Fried]

Hey, enough. Your personal problems with particular users have other ways how to deal with them then by angry responding to posts several days old, while the discussion (so far quite peaceful for this thread ) is completely elsewhere.

I don't think anyone has ever been warned because they replied to posts that were several days old. Today (!) I read the article in Anna's FF and today (!) I registered the duplicity in Arbitrary's argument. I think it is my right to point this out as it highlights an unsightly tendency. It doesn't matter in the least whether the corresponding contribution is 1 hour, 1 day or a week old.
Sorry

 

[Happy Skates]

I don't think you can skate singles for half a season. and pairs for half a season. Could she have gotten inside information that she was not going to get Grand Prix events?
Why leave singles when she was due to get 2 senior GP events according to some? I did read that she had some joint issues and obviously single skating is tougher on the joints than pairs skating. I can't imagine how tough that sport is on the body. I thank everyone here I'd Myers figure skaters for what they go through. They sure are tougher than they look.

I don't think athletes know whether they will be getting GP spots, the decision hasn't even been made yet. Gubanova mentioned last year before spots came out in an interview that she didn't know whether she had them. Either way, I think her reason of having joint issues makes perfect sense. She did have to sit out the second half of the season after all, so we know she was injured.

 

[Happy Skates]

All this GP talk has me feeling so sad for Gubanova. Last year, she had a spot in the SB top 24, but there were too many girls with "guaranteed" spots in Russia to submit them all, possibly the only time in recent years that this has happened (just the year before Leonova had gotten a GP without being in either top 24 list). But this year, now that Vasilieva is out, there are only 8 girls across two lists that are "guaranteed" spots. If she'd had her score this year, she probably would've gotten at least one spot, if not two. And whats sadder is that she wasn't even given the chance to go to a challenger and earn a SB score. Of course, there are still enough Russian girls, as Tarakanova and Konstantinova are both number 25 on the respective lists, and 25 will easily get you a GP spot if submitted (unless its 2019 in Russian Ladies). And of course there's the host spot, which I guess could be someone not on either list if it comes to that. But for Gubanova, it was really bad timing.

 

[Jontor]

All this GP talk has me feeling so sad for Gubanova. Last year, she had a spot in the SB top 24, but there were too many girls with "guaranteed" spots in Russia to submit them all, possibly the only time in recent years that this has happened (just the year before Leonova had gotten a GP without being in either top 24 list). But this year, now that Vasilieva is out, there are only 8 girls across two lists that are "guaranteed" spots. If she'd had her score this year, she probably would've gotten at least one spot, if not two. And whats sadder is that she wasn't even given the chance to go to a challenger and earn a SB score. Of course, there are still enough Russian girls, as Tarakanova and Konstantinova are both number 25 on the respective lists, and 25 will easily get you a GP spot if submitted (unless its 2019 in Russian Ladies). And of course there's the host spot, which I guess could be someone not on either list if it comes to that. But for Gubanova, it was really bad timing.

Yes the Gubanova situation last year was very unfortunate. And I actually think that Tarusina was equally as much robbed as Gubanova. The RusFed decided to keep Tarusina in juniors yet another year (she was senior eligible already for the 2018-19 season). Then she got injured, then she retired. Had she been given a GP spot I am sure her resigning might have been a different story even though she got injured.

There is still a small chance for Gubanova. If she gets an early Challenger and gets a good SB she will be on the replacement list. Unlikely scenario, but I am not losing hope!

 

[flanker]

I don't think anyone has ever been warned because they replied to posts that were several days old. Today (!) I read the article in Anna's FF and today (!) I registered the duplicity in Arbitrary's argument. I think it is my right to point this out as it highlights an unsightly tendency. It doesn't matter in the least whether the corresponding contribution is 1 hour, 1 day or a week old.
Sorry

It's not that the post is several days old per se, but the connecting of the two unrelated things (that are also not related to the actual discussion) to which you created dubious "coherence" for a doubtful reason (it's not duplicity in argument BTW, because the comments are not of the same nature), actually for no reason. But do as you must and want.

 

[Step Sequence4]

There are already 33 pages:eeking:

 

[flanker]

There are already 33 pages:eeking:

It's 15 days since settling the thread. There were 28 pages in the last year's thread after 15 days

 

[Fried]

It's not that the post is several days old per se, but the connecting of the two unrelated things (that are also not related to the actual discussion) to which you created dubious "coherence" for a doubtful reason (it's not duplicity in argument BTW, because the comments are not of the same nature), actually for no reason. But do as you must and want.

You know as well as I do that this is quibbling. And a look at Trusova's FF is enough to discover further evidence of Arbitrary's duplicity. But whatever. Why should I get upset about ridiculousness?

 

[Scott512]

I don't think athletes know whether they will be getting GP spots, the decision hasn't even been made yet. Gubanova mentioned last year before spots came out in an interview that she didn't know whether she had them. Either way, I think her reason of having joint issues makes perfect sense. She did have to sit out the second half of the season after all, so we know she was injured.

Nastya is still standing strong and survived everything while others have retired at her age or younger. Not to be given a couple challenges last year was an absolute joke. There are few with her skating skills artistry musicality and interpretation even through puberty.

All this GP talk has me feeling so sad for Gubanova. Last year, she had a spot in the SB top 24, but there were too many girls with "guaranteed" spots in Russia to submit them all, possibly the only time in recent years that this has happened (just the year before Leonova had gotten a GP without being in either top 24 list). But this year, now that Vasilieva is out, there are only 8 girls across two lists that are "guaranteed" spots. If she'd had her score this year, she probably would've gotten at least one spot, if not two. And whats sadder is that she wasn't even given the chance to go to a challenger and earn a SB score. Of course, there are still enough Russian girls, as Tarakanova and Konstantinova are both number 25 on the respective lists, and 25 will easily get you a GP spot if submitted (unless its 2019 in Russian Ladies). And of course there's the host spot, which I guess could be someone not on either list if it comes to that. But for Gubanova, it was really bad timing.

Nastya G1s performances in the Russian cup series St Petersburg Cup where she beat Stanislava Serafima and Guliakova in december and Russian Nationals were better than many of the SB 25 list from a minuscule Challenger or innocuous Junior tournament with no competition. It's like the Federation has been trying to get her to retire for a few years. They have to be the strangest most corrupt Federation I've ever come across in this sport. It's like when people say she didn't have a season's best well she certainly would have except she didn't compete in any of those events were season's best matter. Pretty weird that the second toughest competition for ladies Russian Nationals doesn't count as a season's best. But a weaker tournament like Europeans does and all those nearly meaningless Challengers and Junior events do. Hey Nastia is still only 17 maybe she can skate juniors this season andr record a bogus SB. On a serious note I hope the Fed actually lets her out of the country this season. That shouldn't be asking too much.

Sad for VV moving to pairs. Ladies figure skating needs all the women it can get. I learned that from Mr. Zhulin.

Yes the Gubanova situation last year was very unfortunate. And I actually think that Tarusina was equally as much robbed as Gubanova. The RusFed decided to keep Tarusina in juniors yet another year (she was senior eligible already for the 2018-19 season). Then she got injured, then she retired. Had she been given a GP spot I am sure her resigning might have been a different story even though she got injured.

There is still a small chance for Gubanova. If she gets an early Challenger and gets a good SB she will be on the replacement list. Unlikely scenario, but I am not losing hope!

Why wouldn't she get a Challenger? Oh yeah The Fed. The upper tier girls in Russia are not going to want to travel to a Challenger with is a pandemic infecting the world. Nastya I guarantee you would take that chance to save her career. I just hope she has a chance to skate outside of Russia this year. But there is great doubt weather will be in a season for the Grand Prix or challengers. I think there's a reasonable chance they will miss two world championships in a row in March so they should probably do the 2020 World Championships in October. It's still 2020 so why not? I would be a great lead into the Grand Prix season.

 

[Happy Skates]

Nastya is still standing strong and survived everything while others have retired at her age or younger. Not to be given a couple challenges last year was an absolute joke. There are few with her skating skills artistry musicality and interpretation even through puberty.

Nastya G1s performances in the Russian cup series St Petersburg Cup where she beat Stanislava Serafima and Guliakova in december and Russian Nationals were better than many of the SB 25 list from a minuscule Challenger or innocuous Junior tournament with no competition. It's like the Federation has been trying to get her to retire for a few years. They have to be the strangest most corrupt Federation I've ever come across in this sport. It's like when people say she didn't have a season's best well she certainly would have except she didn't compete in any of those events were season's best matter. Pretty weird that the second toughest competition for ladies Russian Nationals doesn't count as a season's best. But a weaker tournament like Europeans does and all those nearly meaningless Challengers and Junior events do. Hey Nastia is still only 17 maybe she can skate juniors this season andr record a bogus SB. On a serious note I hope the Fed actually lets her out of the country this season. That shouldn't be asking too much.

I think that when people say she doesn't have a SB, they're not saying it as a testament to Nastya's lack of skill but just as a reminder of the logistics of being awarded a GP. Of course she could've gotten the score if she'd gone to a challenger, but unfortunately she didn't. I also remember reading an interview last year that mentioned Buianova (sorry if I spelled that wrong lol) was deciding whether or not Nastya would go to a challenger, which suggests that maybe the coaches have some input on who goes where in addition to the federation? So maybe Buianova is partially responsible for this whole mess.

But I also wouldn't downplay a SB from a "miniscule" challenger. Just because there aren't as tough competitors there doesn't mean the scores earned there aren't real. Sometimes, especially at JGPs, the scoring can be deflated in fact, so the scores can be even more impressive (although of course there are also inflated challengers, but with any type of event there will be a range).

 

[AshWagsFan]

Hey, enough. Your personal problems with particular users have other ways how to deal with them then by angry responding to posts several days old, while the discussion (so far quite peaceful for this thread ) is completely elsewhere.

Just for your personal info, arbitrary comments in mysterious ways, I remember that before junior worlds he expected that russian girls (which all were Eteri's) will be glad for just one medal, silver at best, so there is no reason to make something it isn't of this "case".

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Sorry for topic:

You’re right, lets all try to remain peaceful in this thread, things can get heated pretty quickly when discussing the Russian Overlords of ladies’ figure skating.

 

[SkateSkates]

I wouldn’t say all the challengers are low level competitions - some, especially the earlier ones - are almost as competitive to podium as a Grand Prix. For example, at Lombardia everyone on the podium had an ultra-c element (Anna, Liza, Young). But then when we get into some of the later events during the Grand Prix, there’s not much competition ie Sofia winning in Minsk with a score under 200.

That said, based on how world standings work, I think all of the top skaters will try to do at least 1 challenger if possible (and not cancelled) to ensure they will be in the final warmup for the SP. If you don’t do it, you risk dropping out of the top 6 which unfortunately affects PCS.

 

[AshWagsFan]

I wouldn’t say all the challengers are low level competitions - some, especially the earlier ones - are almost as competitive to podium as a Grand Prix. For example, at Lombardia everyone on the podium had an ultra-c element (Anna, Liza, Young). But then when we get into some of the later events during the Grand Prix, there’s not much competition ie Sofia winning in Minsk with a score under 200.

That said, based on how world standings work, I think all of the top skaters will try to do at least 1 challenger if possible (and not cancelled) to ensure they will be in the final warmup for the SP. If you don’t do it, you risk dropping out of the top 6 which unfortunately affects PCS.

I believe every skater in the current top 6 world standing did a challenger last year anyway:
Rika did Autumn Classic
Bradie was supposed to do Autumn Classic but was injured (otherwise she would’ve competed)
Anna did Lombardía
Sasha did Nepela
Kaori did Nepela
Aliona did Finlandia

So the Challenger Series is important because most of these top skaters do attend it. It also, as you said, can help world ranking, which is key going into a pre-Olympic season in which we are unsure about competitions being held.

 

[JazzUp]

Ministry of Sport has finalized the list of the junior national team for 2020/21; Kamila, Maya, Dasha, Anna (Frolova) & Sofya (Samodelkina) are in it; and Sofya Muravyova & Valeria Shul'skaya are in the reserve.

 

[flanker]

I believe every skater in the current top 6 world standing did a challenger last year anyway:
Rika did Autumn Classic
Bradie was supposed to do Autumn Classic but was injured (otherwise she would’ve competed)
Anna did Lombardía
Sasha did Nepela
Kaori did Nepela
Aliona did Finlandia

So the Challenger Series is important because most of these top skaters do attend it. It also, as you said, can help world ranking, which is key going into a pre-Olympic season in which we are unsure about competitions being held.

CS events are part of the preparation for the big competition for many skaters, it's an opportunity how to test a program in competition and compare it to other skaters. Not everybody uses it (esp. top men do CS less often than ladies) but it's a great way how to start a season.

 

[lariko]

Ministry of Sport has finalized the list of the junior national team for 2020/21; Kamila, Maya, Dasha, Anna (Frolova) & Sofya (Samodelkina) are in it; and Sofya Muravyova & Valeria Shul'skaya are in the reserve.

Oh, that’s great comp

 

[AshWagsFan]

Ministry of Sport has finalized the list of the junior national team for 2020/21; Kamila, Maya, Dasha, Anna (Frolova) & Sofya (Samodelkina) are in it; and Sofya Muravyova & Valeria Shul'skaya are in the reserve.

Is Samodelkina the girl who recently moved to Eteri/is she eligible for 2022?

 

[Jontor]

Ministry of Sport has finalized the list of the junior national team for 2020/21; Kamila, Maya, Dasha, Anna (Frolova) & Sofya (Samodelkina) are in it; and Sofya Muravyova & Valeria Shul'skaya are in the reserve.

Valeria Shulskaya back to juniors!?! I thought she would be slaying Challengers on the senior tour this year! But that can still happen, right?

 

[SkateSkates]

Valeria Shulskaya back to juniors!?! I thought she would be slaying Challengers on the senior tour this year! But that can still happen, right?

Just because she’s on the junior team, it doesn’t mean she can’t get challengers. For example, Sofia Samodurova and Daria Panenkova were on the junior team in the 2018/19 season but received 2 Grand Prix assignments and challengers. It’s more about funding.

 

[gemi]

Is Samodelkina the girl who recently moved to Eteri/is she eligible for 2022?

No. No.