2020-21 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[Jontor]

You make a great point about how the first impression on Sasha is hard to change even when she's actually changing it. It's hard for her to shake the fame she received two years ago for doing quads. She has to live with that and I'm sure she will adjust and become a much better all-around skater than she is right now. Sasha just needs time. She will be fine.

And some fans think of her as only a jumper that's just the way it is. Being the Quad Queen is a blessing and a curse.

True Scotty. I really feel for Trusova. I think she was made a superstar too soon and all expectations went overboard on all accounts. The coaches, herself, her parents, and the RusFed. And that might be the explanation for her somewhat shaky results when it comes to competitions. I hope she can find the peace and quiet in herself to show us all what a true warrior she is. She is simply amazing.

 

[Amei]

Is there a link to a video of all the skates today?

Usually I can find the videos of the Russian events, they pop right up on u tube. So I'm hoping someone here can direct me to one.

Here you go: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6hUCtrj1TU&list=WL&index=89&t=1s

 

[Scott512]

True Scotty. I really feel for Trusova. I think she was made a superstar too soon and all expectations went overboard on all accounts. The coaches, herself, her parents, and the RusFed. And that might be the explanation for her somewhat shaky results when it comes to competition. I hope she can find the peace and quiet in herself to show us all what a true warrior she is. She is simply amazing.

Oh she wants peace and quiet and to do her work at practice then in competition wowing people. That is fine. I think if she learns to do 3 quads without falling it will propel her to 4 and then...well let her master 3 clean quads she will rack up points and wins. Credit to Sasha on the 3A. She has alot of fire and desire. Finding that fine line of getting the most done without falling can be done for her but it wont be easy.

 

[Ophelia]

True Scotty. I really feel for Trusova. I think she was made a superstar too soon and all expectations went overboard on all accounts. The coaches, herself, her parents, and the RusFed. And that might be the explanation for her somewhat shaky results when it comes to competition. I hope she can find the peace and quiet in herself to show us all what a true warrior she is. She is simply amazing.

This. Trusova is possibly the most hyped up skater I've ever seen (and that's saying alot), and it must be a bitter pill to swallow to not live up to the hype she and her team created.

 

[Jontor]

Is there a link to a video of all the skates today?

So far I've only managed to locate a fancam of Sasha's. Which I enjoyed very much. So far, I like the influence of Plushenko, or the choreographer. Definitely a different look for her costume-wise, which I also like. They seem to have edited out some of the typical "Eteri-girl" moves. Her skating seems a little more nuanced and dramatic, to me.

Usually I can find the videos of the Russian events, they pop right up on u tube. So I'm hoping someone here can direct me to one.

Here;

Кубок России по фигурному катанию. Второй этап. Короткие программы

Расписание: 13:00 Танец на льду. Ритм танец 13:55 Мужчины. Короткая программа 15:45 Женщины. Короткая программа 17:35 Пары. Короткая программа 18:25 Юниоры. ...

www.youtube.com

It's the whole feed. The men comes first and if you want to see the ladies, the drama starts at around 2:31:00 (it starts with a rope contest ). The top group is at around 3:35:00.

Beware. The feed is shaky, and we all feared it would break...but it didn't.

 

[colormyworld240]

What bugs me the most about this is that in pretty much all these examples, judges were boosting and favoring these skaters when they were younger only to drop them cold as soon as the next big thing showed up. If every skater had their strengths and weaknesses called fairly, we'd probably get better competitions and skaters wouldn't get so confused/frustrated at their marks

Do you really believe this, though? The judges might have been boosting the skaters when they were younger, but I don't think they were ever dropped. They were just out skated, technically or otherwise.

When Alina beat Evgenia at the Olympics, Evgenia still had higher GOE and PCS even on elements that many would argue Alina did better. When Alena/Anna/Sasha beat Alina, Alina still had very high GOEs (for elements that weren't a complete bomb) even on elements that the latter 3 did better, and the highest PCS. Kamila, even at junior competitions, where there is a PCS cap, was scoring close to Anna and Sasha in seniors (especially in the SP in the first half of last season). I expect Kamila will overtake them not because the judges will drop them, but because she'll outskate them.

I really don't believe any of these skaters were dropped. They were legitimately out-skated by the younger skater they lost to. You can't really be dropped if you still have the highest GOEs and PCS; they just lost out on the BV game, which makes sense because they're doing lower scoring elements. It also makes sense that the new generation of skaters can be better than the older ones; they've been watching these girls longer and start learning these elements earlier.

 

[bubblecherry]

Daria was really robbed in PCS (relative to the competition). Sasha above her and Kamila over 2 points above her is absurd. I blame Daniil for giving her scraps for a program

 

[moonkat]

True Scotty. I really feel for Trusova. I think she was made a superstar too soon and all expectations went overboard on all accounts. The coaches, herself, her parents, and the RusFed. And that might be the explanation for her somewhat shaky results when it comes to competitions. I hope she can find the peace and quiet in herself to show us all what a true warrior she is. She is simply amazing.

Not really, she's the first lady to do mutiple quads.
Boyang Jin had the 4Lz. Just because he wasn't "well-rounded" didn't take away from his amazing 4Lz.
Trusova seriously needs the 3A to get rid of the disadvantage of quad ban in the short program.

 

[anonymoose_au]

Do you really believe this, though? The judges might have been boosting the skaters when they were younger, but I don't think they were ever dropped.

I do. Tell me Sofia Samudorova was utterly thrown under the bus last season. She went from winning Euros to barely making 200 points despite the fact nothing changed in her skating. So either she always sucked or for whatever reason the Fed decided she wasn't worthy anymore.

 

[colormyworld240]

I do. Tell me Sofia Samudorova was utterly thrown under the bus last season. She went from winning Euros to barely making 200 points despite the fact nothing changed in her skating. So either she always sucked or for whatever reason the Fed decided she wasn't worthy anymore.

I mean, she had so many underrotations. While her jumps have always been the smallest, maybe next to Satoko's, she had a really good outing at Euros, but that was 1 competition. It would be like comparing Alina/Evgenia at Olympics to last season. They weren't dropped, they just didn't skate as well as they had previously.

 

[Amei]

I do. Tell me Sofia Samudorova was utterly thrown under the bus last season. She went from winning Euros to barely making 200 points despite the fact nothing changed in her skating. So either she always sucked or for whatever reason the Fed decided she wasn't worthy anymore.

Did you watch Samudorova skate last season? Tiny jumps (often under-rotated) and she lacked the spark in her performance that she had the previous season.

 

[anonymoose_au]

Did you watch Samudorova skate last season? Tiny jumps (often under-rotated) and she lacked the spark in her performance that she had the previous season.

I did, her jumps were the same as ever.

If her spark was gone, well wouldn't yours go too if you were made to look like an utter fool? No-one who saw Sofia's scores last season would ever believe she could win anything, a new fan would have a good laugh and think you were having them on.


I'm surprised certain people here didn't accuse her or Mishin of bribing the judges to win Euros!

 

[Amei]

Question for everyone that's totally unrelated to the scoring squabbles - Does Anna Sidorova remind anyone else of Pogorilaya in the face or is it just me?

 

[colormyworld240]

This. Trusova is possibly the most hyped up skater I've ever seen (and that's saying alot), and it must be a bitter pill to swallow to not live up to the hype she and her team created.

She did deserve the hype, though. She was doing 2 quads while everyone was doing triples. She was the first. I wouldn't even say she hasn't lived up to the hype, she has. She improved her quads, added more, and improved her spins. But just because you're hyped doesn't mean others can't improve, and they did. Alena got a 3A and Anna got some quads.

I see that many people have an issue with not having one skater dominate for a very long time or having a hyped skater be overtaken by another. But that would mean that every other skater wouldn't be improving, or wouldn't be improving as much. That's not a realistic expectation to have.

 

[anonymoose_au]

It would be like comparing Alina/Evgenia at Olympics to last season.

Except it's not because Alina and Zhenya were noticeably worse last season. Like anyone could see it. With Sofia it was like if Alina had skated her Olympic programs and suddenly scored 20 points less for no apparent reason.

 

[colormyworld240]

Except it's not because Alina and Zhenya were noticeably worse last season. Like anyone could see it. With Sofia it was like if Alina had skated her Olympic programs and suddenly scored 20 points less for no apparent reason.

I think this is just the difference in what we see. I thought Sofia was noticeably worse last season in terms of underrotations. As we know, falls are not the only serious errors. Another skater that comes to mind is Sotskova. She can go "clean", as in without falls across many competitions, but her scores varied greatly due to underrotations.

 

[chasingneverland]

I do. Tell me Sofia Samudorova was utterly thrown under the bus last season. She went from winning Euros to barely making 200 points despite the fact nothing changed in her skating. So either she always sucked or for whatever reason the Fed decided she wasn't worthy anymore.

All federations (except perhaps Japan) back the ones they think are most likely to win. Sofia last season was behind Aliona, Anna, Sasha, Liza, (and even Alina and Evgenia, if they competed). I mean look to the US's support last year of Alysa. And none of the previous names have been truly "dropped" except perhaps Liza re: Liza v Evgenia.

 

[chasingneverland]

Also, I love Sofia's energy and performance quality. She has a sass and spirit that comes through her performance. However, it's not like her winning Euro's was expected. The top girls in Russia were juniors, Alina had the federation backing but was struggling a bit, and Stanislava has always had support from the federation. When they both faltered at Euro's, Sofia's consistency is what allowed her to prevail.

 

[Scott512]

I do. Tell me Sofia Samudorova was utterly thrown under the bus last season. She went from winning Euros to barely making 200 points despite the fact nothing changed in her skating. So either she always sucked or for whatever reason the Fed decided she wasn't worthy anymore.

Puberty hit her a little bit. Also competition passed Sofia by.. when she won Euros Alina collapsed and she didn't have to skate against 3A. Timing is everything in this sport especially with a Russian ladies.

 

[Scott512]

This. Trusova is possibly the most hyped up skater I've ever seen (and that's saying alot), and it must be a bitter pill to swallow to not live up to the hype she and her team created.

Wow that's harsh.

Sasha hasn't lived up to the hype?
That's debatable. Anna and aliona were slightly better last season that's why Sasha had a couple third place finishes. But Sasha was only fifteen last season let's see what she does at 16 17 and 18.

No question the publicity and Hyper Sasha has been very big and it's something she's had to get used to on the fly.