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I think you're just overthinking it a bit. She did a combo, they were all impressed, and gave it a 10 like she was in DWTS. We can join our hands and pray for a Justina Machado win, but Kaitlyn Bristowe took it anyway, because she's most popular ;) I'd complain more if it were the Prix de Lausanne or Blackpool.
Good comparison. Actually, the judging method they used here is pretty much what they use in Ice Age.
 
Love is apparently also too blind to read posts dedicated to criticising someone's technique... and causes someone to think 3A has 3.5 rotations, a 3T has 3 rotations, so on.

Oh well. What will she do, not convincing a Rozanov groupie... luckily she'll keep winning Russian Nationals and EC medals.
3A does have 3.5 revolutions. :) Tarasova and many other commentators said this multiple times. It is just that not all of them are in the air.
The same goes for 3T - not all of them in the air.
I did not know that Anna is Rozanov's groupie. :D
 
What made this thing today more decisive was that even if you wanted to help out the girls for tv by inflating their scores and reducing the boys‘, there is no unbiased and neutral scoring system that has the boys winning, especially in the last round. The combination of any best case girls overscoring and boys underscoring does not overcome the final margin of victory.
 
I know this is probably going to start some fights, but I just watched Evgenia’s and Alina’s exhibitions, and Evgenia looks in good form! I was pleasantly surprised, and I can tell that she is more focused on competition than Alina. Alina’s choreography involved many more cross-overs and a couple mistakes. Congrats to both though!

Agree but Medvedeva has intended to compete this year, Zagitova has not and probably unlikely she ever does. Zagitova's program is a nice exhibition and if we are judging strictly on exhibition it was fine; if we are going to start making assessments on 'competitiveness' its a different story; lot of labored looking cross-over skating back and forth and posing
 
I do like fan fights :laugh2: Figure skating should definitely have more fans like the NBA and NFL :rofl:

I can just see it. Let's start with a fan named Skatesocs throwing a cup of vodka at a skater, said skater leaves the ice and run up the stands to fight back. Then more fans and skaters pile onto the mess, leading to referee cutting the event short, canceling the remaining of the programs. ISU then fine and suspend the athletes involved for half a season, and that sports arena ban the fans involved from entering the venue for life.

I think you know what this is in reference to. :laugh: Youtube didn't even exist then, can you imagine!
 
But they've never done that before, the top two eligible skaters have always been picked to go and if there's a third spot then the Coaches Council comes into play. I just wonder if the skaters knew about the change in procedure, because otherwise it'd be like the rug being pulled out from under you.

Sigh, this was brought up right after Nationals when Worlds team selection was announced, that the decision to make only the national champ guaranteed to worlds instead of the top 2 was most likely because of other disciplines second place senior skater, but they certainly can't say ladies top 2 senior eligible skaters are named to Worlds and the other disciplines have to fight it out at other competitions.

And regarding 'never done that before' (while I admit I don't know the Rus Fed's concrete rules on team selection) this goes back to the "body of work" argument that comes into play now with the US skaters; up until recently it was almost never used and now we are seeing it with more frequency and people started complaining that it was never used before - well it was/is in the rules and it could have always come into play.


You haven't seen me skate!

I literally can't skate backwards, seriously I'm so inflexible I can't turn my head enough to look over my shoulder...it's a sorry sight to see. :laugh2:

In my adult life, my coworkers and I ended up at a mall rink for our lunch hour (our offices were damaged in a flood so temporary offices were by the mall and we weirdly ended up going on a lunch hour to the ice rink and no alcohol was not involved in the decision-making process) and 1 of the guys asked how to skate backwards, I said "you skate up to the boards, turn around and push off with your hands" :rofl:

How do you tell your mother you want to go back to Sergei?

This is 1 of the problems with parents being coaches for their kids.
 
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Sigh, this was brought up right after Worlds, that the decision to make only the national champ guaranteed to worlds instead of the top 2 was most likely because of other disciplines second place senior skater, but they certainly can't say ladies top 2 senior eligible skaters are named to Worlds and the other disciplines have to fight it out at other competitions.

And regarding 'never done that before' (while I admit I don't know the Rus Fed's concrete rules on team selection) this goes back to the "body of work" argument that comes into play now with the US skaters; up until recently it was almost never used and now we are seeing it with more frequency and people started complaining that it was never used before - well it was/is in the rules and it could have always come into play.




In my adult life, my coworkers and I ended up at a mall rink for our lunch hour (our offices were damaged in a flood so temporary offices were by the mall and we weirdly ended up going on a lunch hour to the ice rink and no alcohol was not involved in the decision-making process) and 1 of the guys asked how to skate backwards, I said "you skate up to the boards, turn around and push off with your hands" :rofl:



This is 1 of the problems with parents being coaches for their kids.
It's a big problem.
 
I don't think girls outjumping the boys is some sort of 'humiliation'. The current crop of girls is known for extreme consistency, while Russian men in the past decade have been notoriously unpredictable. It isn't hyperbole to say that the men were underdogs in this competition.

Posters earlier in this thread or another discussed the fact that jumping quads might not necessarily be easier for boys. While boys tend to be physically more powerful and more of them routinely learn quads, girls (at least those with linear physiques) have other attributes that also favour quad/3A jumps (low weight, earlier psychological maturation). It seems like in recent years they figured out how to make use of these traits.

Jumping is not as much about jumping in the current atmosphere of judging, it's about pretending you are a human twizzler. Yank around on the ice with as thin of a body as possible and then slam back into the ice without trying to finish in the air and get big points. No more majestic jumps and don't even try to jump super big, because that just makes it harder for you. Don't try to get a body like Brian Joubert either, that kind of beautiful musculature will only hinder you in this sport now.
 
A father doesn't choose between his children, but I would even say he likes Anna more. She is the first "Daniil" skater, if any skater could be given that title. He's always taken her to all the competitions she competed in, is always at her KnC, and is the last one to let go of her hands before she steps on the ice, even when Eteri's present (I don't think that happens with any other Eteri skater).
Anna joined "Khrustalnyi" in 2007, 1 year before Eteri and Evgenya, 7 years before Daniil, so it's kinda natural the long-lasting bond developed between them. Being good soul and devoted student helped as well I guess. :)

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A father doesn't choose between his children, but I would even say he likes Anna more. She is the first "Daniil" skater, if any skater could be given that title. He's always taken her to all the competitions she competed in, is always at her KnC, and is the last one to let go of her hands before she steps on the ice, even when Eteri's present (I don't think that happens with any other Eteri skater).

I think Shcherbakova and Daniil's close relationship probably comes from her being involved in her choreography, she gave a detailed answer about the difference in emotions from her FS music at test skates vs. what she has competed, and that she has had 2 injuries (broken leg and arm) that likely put her in a position where she couldn't jump but could learn choreography.
 
Jumping is not as much about jumping in the current atmosphere of judging, it's about pretending you are a human twizzler. Yank around on the ice with as thin of a body as possible and then slam back into the ice without trying to finish in the air and get big points. No more majestic jumps and don't even try to jump super big, because that just makes it harder for you. Don't try to get a body like Brian Joubert either, that kind of beautiful musculature will only hinder you in this sport now.
To be fair, this trend is becoming more apparent in both men and ladies nowadays. Some men (Uno, Aliev) have iffy technique too.

It seems more prevalent in ladies though, maybe because most ladies don't have the physical capacity to do monstrous jumps like Kolyada's 4Lz, even if they wanted to (its hugeness might be why he almost never landed it, which supports your point).
 
You haven't seen me skate!

I literally can't skate backwards, seriously I'm so inflexible I can't turn my head enough to look over my shoulder...it's a sorry sight to see. :laugh2:
I'm pretty sure I'm a worse skater than you. ;) And I'm also pretty sure Anna would be bashed in this thread even if she won the Nationals 10 times in a row.. how dare those judges overlook her mistakes in a 5 jump cascade, LOL.
 
What exatly is Trusova’s injury when she can jump like this?

Is her injury due to lots of jumping, just slipping on the ice, falling down the stairs or....? She seems in good form to me. I'm really looking forward to her performances tomorrow and on Sunday.
thanks... in good shape yes of course, but it's still a mystery to me if the ankle on her landing foot is not okej. Actually I thought she had a left hip injury(don't know where I got that from)

Whatever... I hope she's back on track :)
From what weve heard she injured her left ankle. Probably a sprain from the 3A fall at Rostelecom but its never been confirmed one way or another. They have stated that because of this injury she wasnt training 3A, 4T and 4S between rostelecom and nationals because the stress on the left ankle was to great in those jumps. Tripples seem to have been fine and 4Lz mainly uses the right foot for takeoff so that was apparently also fine.

I saw a video of her last week (think it was on instagram, possibly AoP) doing 4S in harness which made me think that if she is back to practicing 4S the 4T is probably also on its way back.
 
The complete competition.
 
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