2020-21 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[Skatesocs]

People take things too personally here.

Lol, yep. The replies you and I got are almost self-demonstrating examples of what you said.

 

[dunffvanstorn]

But it’s been a good experiment posting here. I’ve noticed most of the answers I get are on posts related to drama. Whenever my posts are about scores and objective criteria, people ignore them. Good analysis can be made about this.


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[plushyfan]

People take things too personally here. My comment is the biggest example. I have done GIANT posts here, what I meant was about the posts with conspiracy theories and demonizong/hating on people without evidence of anything. We all know what types of posts I’m talking about. I think it’s creepy to defend or to say bad things about people you don’t even know im person. It feels gossipy and almost those political speeches where no evidence of anything is required. It bothers me. I’m a scientist, I don’t like seeing fake news being spread and people buying it. But I guess the type of post here also depends on the nationality of the poster. I’m from a country where things don’t get so passionate, but I guess some of the posters here, maybe because of their culture, are more dramatic. And that’s not a big deal if they don’t spread hate and fake news here, but it bothers me when they make giant posts based on non-evidence things, based on gossip and on their hate bias.


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I agree!!! :thumbsup: I'm with you! I believe the "Occam's razor" theory is a very good compass in life not only in science.

 

[Skatesocs]

But it’s been a good experiment posting here. I’ve noticed most of the answers I get are on posts related to drama. Whenever my posts are about scores and objective criteria, people ignore them. Good analysis can be made about this.


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Oh there are probably many social science experiments already done about these phenomena. It's about appeal to emotion, and ignoring rationality. Probably if one looks at sociology when it comes to political leanings, you'll find many things.

 

[macy]

People take things too personally here. My comment is the biggest example. I have done GIANT posts here, what I meant was about the posts with conspiracy theories and demonizong/hating on people without evidence of anything. We all know what types of posts I’m talking about. I think it’s creepy to defend or to say bad things about people you don’t even know im person. It feels gossipy and almost those political speeches where no evidence of anything is required. It bothers me. I’m a scientist, I don’t like seeing fake news being spread and people buying it. But I guess the type of post here also depends on the nationality of the poster. I’m from a country where things don’t get so passionate, but I guess some of the posters here, maybe because of their culture, are more dramatic. And that’s not a big deal if they don’t spread hate and fake news here, but it bothers me when they make giant posts based on non-evidence things, based on gossip and on their hate bias.


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i agree with you, i only wish this would have been made clear in your initial post. i understand what you are trying to say now. it was very vague and not worded in a way that would have generated a positive reaction and was misconstrued, hence the nature of the posts in response.

 

[Lunalovesskating]

The Russian Federation hopes it will be possible to hold the test skates of the Russian national team in Moscow on September 12-13 in the presence of spectators, if there are no emergencies, Alexander Kogan said.


They are veeeery optimistic if they think they can have spectators...

 

[macy]

The Russian Federation hopes it will be possible to hold the test skates of the Russian national team in Moscow on September 12-13 in the presence of spectators, if there are no emergencies, Alexander Kogan said.


They are veeeery optimistic if they think they can have spectators...

so it sounds to me like maybe they have some more insight on if there will actually be a season if they are planning on holding test skates at all. i'll take that as good news.

 

[Arbitrary]

The Russian Federation hopes it will be possible to hold the test skates of the Russian national team in Moscow on September 12-13 in the presence of spectators, if there are no emergencies, Alexander Kogan said.


They are veeeery optimistic if they think they can have spectators...

They're very optimistic is any of seniors and juniors will be ready for 12-13 September. My bet some level of readiness may be achieved after 6 months of training.
Best they can do in Sept is to show certain progress in jumps.

 

[Fried]

The Russian Federation hopes it will be possible to hold the test skates of the Russian national team in Moscow on September 12-13 (...)

Perfect timing! This will be my nicest birthday present.

 

[Scott512]

That was, obviously, a joke lol.

Then - do I think this thread has a ”reputation“? (a bad one, presumably) Idk, certainly not among someone important in the sport, so...

Not going to bother with the rest. You could have just skipped the “giant” essays you didn‘t like. Instead you chose to go tell everyone that you find it “hella weird“ how others spend their time.

I‘m gonna leave it here by saying that I‘d rather read people‘s thoughts on the skaters (even if there‘s not much factual information in it) than them announcing what they don‘t like about the forum and its users. But you do you.

Perfectly stated. Especially about you do you.

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[flanker]

People take things too personally here. My comment is the biggest example. I have done GIANT posts here, what I meant was about the posts with conspiracy theories and demonizong/hating on people without evidence of anything. We all know what types of posts I’m talking about. I think it’s creepy to defend or to say bad things about people you don’t even know im person. It feels gossipy and almost those political speeches where no evidence of anything is required. It bothers me. I’m a scientist, I don’t like seeing fake news being spread and people buying it. But I guess the type of post here also depends on the nationality of the poster. I’m from a country where things don’t get so passionate, but I guess some of the posters here, maybe because of their culture, are more dramatic. And that’s not a big deal if they don’t spread hate and fake news here, but it bothers me when they make giant posts based on non-evidence things, based on gossip and on their hate bias.


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Let me have an objection. You say:

"I think it’s creepy to defend or to say bad things about people you don’t even know im person."

But you do exactly that. Just an example. In this comment you:

- say definitely not positive things (how much "bad" it is a matter of personal opinion) - conclusion about skaters who you "don’t even know in person".
- defend a person you also "don’t even know in person".

Of course you have the right for the opinion, but everybody has it, and your opinions you publish here are mostly based on the same information the others have, only the conclusions everybody has his own. We could only discuss whose conclusions are closer to reality, not that your posts are somewhere else in the sense of quality. The conclusions you made in the comment linked above are obviously based primarily on your personal preference, which is shown e.g. by the fact you primarily speak of Nastya Tarakanova as "a very emotional girl" and other things, you made a conclusion "Pluschenko never had a top skater, in top shape coming to him". In other comment you said "please stop acting like Eteri is the only good coach in the world". I can say with all dignity that 90 % of skaters didn't come to Eteri as "top skaters, in top shape". Examples were given countless times. So, you do conclusions with a strong lean towards your subjective preferences, that make you emphasize some things and sideline the others.

So, that's my conclusion about your request for more objectivity here. Not that others, incl. me perhaps, were role models in objectivity, but in all honesty I don't feel users here would be worse than you in this request.

As a final thought, I would also ask the people to not act as if Daniil was the worst choreographer int he world (and if you blame me that you didn't say precisely that than I say that nobody also said "Eteri is the only good coach in the world").

Howgh.

 

[Tolstoj]

As a final thought, I would also ask the people to not act as if Daniil was the worst choreographer int he world (and if you blame me that you didn't say precisely that than I say that nobody also said "Eteri is the only good coach in the world").

Howgh.

Eh we can talk about it. I don't think he's a bad choreographer but when you have the best talents, you want to see the best programs as well.

I think last season programs were an improvement, but we've seen some real bad programs and you can't even point finger at him specifically cause it's a team effort, Eteri is always involved and sometimes Rozanov was too.

Alina Zagitova -> lovely skater, great Olympic Champion, but her Phantom SP in 2018-19 for me was one of the worst Phantom programs i recall and almost entirely due to the choreography/composition: too many cuts for a SP and the sounds added for such a classic when you really shouldn't rework all that much, also the stops mid-program in a short program, one second she is angry and punches with shattered glasses sounds (???), the second after happy "think of me" section, 5 seconds ending standing still... it was a lot. At some point i feel like you also need to respect the source material especially when you go classical.

 

[sparklestan]

Oh, btw, the "essay" part was also aimed at you. There's nothing useful at all in your posts, but you do you and keep typing them. You're only wafting your time.

I can’t speak for anyone else, but I personally find Fluture’s posts well thought out, interesting, and informative.
The point of joining these boards is to share opinions, I don’t see a reason to criticize people for doing so, as long as they are respectful about it.

 

[Skatesocs]

I can’t speak for anyone else, but I personally find Fluture’s posts well thought out, interesting, and informative.
The point of joining these boards is to share opinions, I don’t see a reason to criticize people for doing so, as long as they are respectful about it.

Awesome! You're allowed to. As has since been revealed, dunffvanstorn was indeed talking about the misinformation spread by people on this thread. So I got the point of that better than those two. And I do not believe those posts should go without criticism, so if someone is either going to miss the point of what was happening in the first place or try to make snide responses they are going to get it right back from me. Genuinely, it is not my problem if either of them decided anyone was criticising the analysis going on in the thread, which I even mentioned in my post to Fluture, but of course they were "not going to bother with the rest".

And I'm sure I won't find giant posts from either of them taking issue with what's been said about for instance, Medvedeva or Kostornaia, or criticising anybody on the board. Hey, I already found a few posts from macy during my stay, won't be too hard to do the same for Fluture?

 

[flanker]

Eh we can talk about it. I don't think he's a bad choreographer but when you have the best talents, you want to see the best programs as well.

I think last season programs were an improvement, but we've seen some real bad programs and you can't even point finger at him specifically cause it's a team effort, Eteri is always involved and sometimes Rozanov was too.

Alina Zagitova -> lovely skater, great Olympic Champion, but her Phantom SP in 2018-19 for me was one of the worst Phantom programs i recall and almost entirely due to the choreography/composition: too many cuts for a SP and the sounds added for such a classic when you really shouldn't rework all that much, also the stops mid-program in a short program, one second she is angry and punches, the second after happy "think of me" section, 5 seconds ending standing still... it was a lot. At some point i feel like you also need to respect the source material especially when you go classical.

Fair enough. I liked POTO. Not as much as I liked Black Swan, but I guess Black Swan is a program that happens once in a five years or more. The point is there will hardly be any general agreement about the things so subjective.

As for Sasha's programs that were condemned, I would say that Grieg was like 7/10, Drakarys 6/10, though the real evaluation here could be made probably only when I would see another 4-5 quad ladies' free program for a comparison.

 

[plushyfan]

Let me have an objection. You say:

"I think it’s creepy to defend or to say bad things about people you don’t even know im person."

But you do exactly that. Just an example. In this comment you:

- say definitely not positive things (how much "bad" it is a matter of personal opinion) - conclusion about skaters who you "don’t even know in person".
- defend a person you also "don’t even know in person".

Of course you have the right for the opinion, but everybody has it, and your opinions you publish here are mostly based on the same information the others have, only the conclusions everybody has it's own. We could only discuss whose conclusions are closer to reality, not that your posts are somewhere else in the sense of quality. The conclusions you made in the comment linked above are obviously based primarily on your personal preference, which is shown e.g. by the fact you primarily speak of Nastya Tarakanova as "a very emotional girl" and other thigs, you made a conclusion "Pluschenko never had a top skater, in top shape coming to him". In other comment you said "please stop acting like Eteri is the only good coach in the world". I can say with all dignity that 90 % of skaters didn't come to Eteri as "top skaters, in top shape". Examples were given countless times. So, you do conclusions with a strong lean towards your subjective preferences, that make you emphasize some things and sideline the others.

So, that's my conclusion about your request for more objectivity here. Not that others, incl. me perhaps, were role models in objectivity, but in all honesty I don't feel users here would be worse than you in this request.

As a final thought, I would also ask the people to not act as if Daniil was the worst choreographer int he world (and if you blame me that you didn't say precisely that than I say that nobody also said "Eteri is the only good coach in the world").

Howgh.

I don't believe you don't understand. If anybody says he doesn't like that chorography, choreographer because for example he is not creative or he doesn't like that skater because he can't jump or spin, etc. That is OK. He can say he doesn't like that skater because he doesn't like him as a person he is not his cup of tea, etc. That's also OK. Everybody can be criticised. But if anybody says he is devil, evil, terrible, awful about anybody that's not OK. That's all.
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I understand Fluture, we don't read the giant posts if we don't like. But if those posts are full of false news, hate, malice opinions especially based on presumptions ( I don't talk about you ) that can't be accepted here.

 

[plushyfan]

I can’t speak for anyone else, but I personally find Fluture’s posts well thought out, interesting, and informative.
The point of joining these boards is to share opinions, I don’t see a reason to criticize people for doing so, as long as they are respectful about it.

Everybody likes the informative posts. Fluture's posts used to be.

 

[Fluture]

As has since been revealed, duffvanstorm was indeed talking about the misinformation spread by people on this thread. So I got the point of that better than those two.

And I do agree that spreading misinformation is bad. But I believe that the point wasn‘t exactly brought across well.

I don‘t know why you‘re being so aggressive or why you think resorting to name calling will do anything to enrich the discussion. You don‘t have to like any of the posts in here (including mine) and it’s okay to say it but you could stay respectful about it.

 

[Decoder]

I can’t speak for anyone else, but I personally find Fluture’s posts well thought out, interesting, and informative.
The point of joining these boards is to share opinions, I don’t see a reason to criticize people for doing so, as long as they are respectful about it.

I am with you. Sometimes I don't agree with Fluture, but I respect his/her willingness to share his/her opinions here. I still remember, during the last Euro Championships he/she wrote several long and lovely reports from the field.

 

[Skatesocs]

I understand Fluture, we don't read the giant posts if we don't like. But if those posts are full of false news, hate, malice opinions especially based on presumptions ( I don't talk about you ) that can't be accepted here.

The actual irony of saying you shouldn't take issue with what someone's saying and can ignore them, but then making several responses when someone else differs on you on the topic is abjectly hilarious. But then again, when someone has a need to type empty novels compulsively one can understand the need to be defensive with the original comment.