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There are, and were, plenty of people who were complaining about Daria's edge, which should receive "!" on this or that event. It started with them complaining about it at the stage two of the Cup, while the same people (and nobody else before them) didn't complain about Sasha's wrong edge at the same event, that should receive "e", which does more serious impact in the score than uncalled "!". So you definitely have wrong order of events here ;)
Come on Flanker you're certainly not that blind. While I agree that cases like that exist, not everyone is like that. For example I've mentioned Sasha's lip on the very first competition of this season and I stand by it: her flip is a lip. I didn't notice it last year because tbh it was to a smaller degree and I didn't pay that much attention. But I also see that for example Daria should receive at least an ! on her lutz, and I would even be generous not to give an e because it's gotten better this season imo.
 
What has been seen today is nauseating ... I have never seen so much injustice in ladies' skating ... how is it possible that Nugumanova has been stolen in this way, a perfect skating, the best she has done since she left Mishin and placed sixth with a lower PCS than Trusova who was totally disconnected from music... in a world without COACH BONUS Nugumanova would have been 4th or 3rd.
 
Well, you didn‘t answer my question. If you say Daria‘s edges are both flat, what would you judge her flip and lutz like?

Good for you then! :)
I'm sorry then. While I say those are flat edges, I don't know at what moment those pictures were taken, I don't even know whether it is taken in the moment of a jump. If that is truly the moment of a bounce than yes, it should both receive "!", but I say it's not guaranteed what moment it is (and some people who enjoy so called analysis like that aren't truly reliable in this matter). Also I'm not the person who enjoys thousand slowed replays, there are other experts.
 
Yeah that's what you have to deal in FS, either callout the nonsense, at the risk of creating enemies around you, or stay silent and get robbed potentially forever.

But here's the thing, if they can make Trusova more consistent, she still can beat anyone in the free, even when with the most insane pushing for the other team. Valieva has 2 quads and hasn't skated a clean free skate all season thus far, i know it'll be a 148-150 minimum even with 3 falls, but with 3-4 quads you can outscore that.

So i'd say it's better to keep it for your own or discuss scores afterwards in social media, ask Federation, judges,... and in the meantime try to get Trusova consistent.
Making scenes in public is stupid. What could (maybe?) work for coaches who are dissatisfied with the scores, is talking to respected specialists and judges internationally. If such a person agrees to express an opinion/instruction on what they think to be a more severe fault, what should be judged mildly etc. it could be helpful. Analysing, discussing something seriously in public is much more productive than either talking secretly or shouting murder.
 
Come on Flanker you're certainly not that blind. While I agree that cases like that exist, not everyone is like that. For example I've mentioned Sasha's lip on the very first competition of this season and I stand by it: her flip is a lip. I didn't notice it last year because tbh it was to a smaller degree and I didn't pay that much attention. But I also see that for example Daria should receive at least an ! on her lutz, and I would even be generous not to give an e because it's gotten better this season imo.
I am not blind, that's why I can clearly say that it definitely is not me or any other fan of Kamila, Daria etc. who immediately after any competition start with those blaming about "corrupted judges" (and be sure many more cases than Sasha's edge could be found if I or a person with similar point of view would truly want).
 
Aleksandra has made a lot of progress in the PCS department but Anna and Kamila (and Alena who wasn't here) are still WAY ahead of her. They really are that much better. I think Daria has her beaten on it too.

Without the technical advantage they should beat her. Even internationally skaters like them will always beat skaters who are more or less just average even with some mistakes. It takes a mess for it not to happen. It's why Aleksandra needs all those quads in the free and the 3A in the SP because compare to them she looks average
 
I actually disagree. I think Sasha's interpretation improved but her step sequence was still a mess. Also Anna performed that SP better than she has all season, aside from the spin and even then she didn't let it affect the performance. I still think Anna's light years ahead performance and interpretation wise than Sasha. If anything, compared to Kamila, I think Anna's PCS were actually too low.
Anna does nothing but skate a rehearsed choreography. In another forum, a defender of your theory tried to prove how well Anna hears and uses the music by posting a video in which Anna's KP Sasha's music was played and it still looked very good. This fool didn't understand that if he was proving anything, it was exactly the opposite.
Incidentally, I recommend this insightful article.

 
It's hilarious how this forum erupts when results don't go the way they wanted. Too many long winded posts showing off judging skills and fake concerns. On to better topics, Anna was just beautiful today. I was probably more nervous than the Empress Eteri Georgievna watching Anna's skate. I was so happy she pulled through. That was her best performace of this short this season.
Rules are for everyone.

Anna's Lz is !
Alexandra's Flip is !
Daria's Lutz is !
Kamila's combo was +1 GOE

If this had been applied, no one would have complained.
 
I am not blind, that's why I can clearly say that it definitely is not me or any other fan of Kamila, Daria etc. who immediately after any competition start with those blaming about "corrupted judges" (and be sure many more cases than Sasha's edge could be found if I or a person with similar point of view would truly want).
Honestly I don't find this a to be a constructive discussion. Instead of essentially calling names, why not present an opinion on why you think that a skater deserves/ doesn't deserve a call etc.

And this goes to everyone, not just you.
 
This is all true if we assume they all skated clean. But they didn't.

Shouldn't the fall on one jump out of 3 (in the so-called Technical Program) also be reflected in the PCS? I mean, how can you give a 9.5-10 for that?
Neither Anna or Sasha fell. They were both clean. I didn't compare skates that weren't (relatively) clean. Comparing Kamila is hard, which is why I didn't, due to her being a junior last year and juniors being scored differently. And also the difficulties in comparing across competitions which only kinda works when everyone is at both competitions.
 
What has been seen today is nauseating ... I have never seen so much injustice in ladies' skating ... how is it possible that Nugumanova has been stolen in this way, a perfect skating, the best she has done since she left Mishin and placed sixth with a lower PCS than Trusova who was totally disconnected from music... in a world without COACH BONUS Nugumanova would have been 4th or 3rd.
First, actually. Hate coach bonus.
 
There wasn't a big difference between the top 5, I would have put them all within 3 points of each other. Trusova has the weakest SP if they all go clean, but she was the only one to do it today, the others all made significant mistakes. I would have put her in 1st.
 
Rules are for everyone.

Anna's Lz is !
Alexandra's Flip is !
Daria's Lutz is !
Kamila's combo was +1 GOE

If this had been applied, no one would have complained.
I would argue if Anna's Lz is a !, Daria's is a e. Especially as Anna doesn't tend to get called internationally. I did think Sasha' was maybe a e live though. So a !. I DO think Daria's should have been an e, though

Kamila's combo got 4 3 2 3 3 5 3 3 2, and +1.77 internationally, at Junior Worlds. Why on God's good green earth would she get +1 here?!?!

And people STILL would complain because PCS.
 
Honestly I don't find this a to be a constructive discussion. Instead of essentially calling names, why not present an opinion on why you think that a skater deserves/ doesn't deserve a call etc.

And this goes to everyone, not just you.
Remember that I said that I would give Sasha higher score and put her above Daria. As well as I said that Maiia's score is lower than it should. Pretty honestly, without "calling names", because that isn't necessary. That comes from my opinion that it is not like Eteri's skaters are exclusively overscored and others are underscored. That's what I am opposing, because that is wishful thinking IMO.

My ranking would be Anna (with bigger margin from Kamila), Kamila, Sasha, Daria, Maiia, Liza Nugumanova, Liza Tuktamysheva. Still remind that in some cases the difference would be tenths of points.
 
Well, while there were definitely judging inconsistencies in this competition, since we’re on the subject, judges decided to give Daria, Sasha and Liza the same pcs.
Of course there’s reputation at play, and Liza and Sasha have way more to their name to earn their scores. I would say Dasha has a better vocabulary of movement, she uses her whole body in each transition, a lot of spirals, better edge quality, really good speed and overall performance quality. She has better spins than both too (but that’s not related to pcs).
I would also distinguish Sasha and Liza, I think Sasha should earn higher pcs than Liza, but they received pretty much identical PCS, which I don’t agree with.
 
In the past, I have avoided calling out judging favoritism towards the Eteri camp because most skaters who have left have taken a step back in the subsequent season, either technically to due to having less complex/complete programs. To my eye Sasha is the first skater that has obviously and definitively improved her programs/skating skills while maintaining her tech (Rostelecom injury train wreck aside), and yet what we are seeing in scoring is that suddenly she is getting new edge calls, lower GOE, less generous PCS, and downgraded levels on borderline cases that would’ve been overlooked before. It’s pretty clear that any skater who leaves Eteri should expect a ~5% drop in score off the bat, and they need to perform all their elements technically perfectly to get the same credit they got before with minor imperfections.
10% drop.

But maybe Sasha can be the exception to the rule and only 5% drop.
 
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