2020-21 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[chasingneverland]

Sasha is not on the team? Does the fed want more of the wrath of plushy?

Anna is obviously an automatic and sasha should be as close to automaric as possible.
If AK can get her 3A back then she should be the third. Then you would have 3 great skaters that complement each other Sasha would be told by the fed to do 3 or 4 quads to win the gold for Russia if Anna or alyona have an off day. I like having 3 skaters that can compliment each other and are somewhat different but all can score 240 plus on an International scale.

They didn't name any of the 2nd place finishers. It actually probably is due to men with only two spots. They'll want freedom to name the second spot.

That's why it's important to look at all the disciplines when making claims. The RusFed isn't known for their equitible, nonpartisan decisions but in this decision they made the same decision across all disciplines and only named the RusNats winners to the World's team.

(For the record, I fully expect Sasha to be named. I actually think the Fed does too. But in this case they ARE actually making a fair decision and having more competitions to allow people to make their cases (for the final spots across each discipline as everyone - pretty much the entire Nat team - has been injured/ill and withdrawn or skated under less than healthy conditions and struggled at times.)

 

[Scott512]

They didn't name any of the 2nd place finishers. It actually probably is due to men with only two spots. They'll want freedom to name the second spot.

That's why it's important to look at all the disciplines when making claims. The RusFed isn't known for their equitible, nonpartisan decisions but in this decision they made the same decision across all disciplines and only named the RusNats winners to the World's team.

(For the record, I fully expect Sasha to be named. I actually think the Fed does too. But in this case they ARE actually making a fair decision and having more competitions to allow people to make their cases (for the final spots across each discipline as everyone - pretty much the entire Nat team - has been injured/ill and withdrawn or skated under less than healthy conditions and struggled at times.)

More competitions? I guess they are doing something to replace Europeans in Russia.

Without KV being eligible no one can compete with sashe a for the 2nd spot. 3rd spot is a different story.

 

[chasingneverland]

And it didn't even guarantee you a spot on the Worlds Team anyway! Even Anna, because remember before the event the Russian Figure Skating Fed totally covered their butts by claiming no spots would be decided from it. Which when you think about it is appalling - they were preparing for the possibility that the athletes they wanted wouldn't even make the podium! They knew how many of their top skaters were sick or injured and basically went ahead anyway. They're monsters.

Agreed! That was my argument the night before the FS saying Anna, Sasha, and Liza should withdraw because it was "motivational". I said BEFORE RusNats started and when all the withdrawls were happening (and looking at who had withdrawn from previous events) and it was obvious when you realized that B/K were the only reigning Euros champions who didn't have to withdraw (and the men only have two World's spots), that they were planning to not name spots from RusNats ahead of time.

Now, it worked out for Anna, and she has a spot actually - they named all winners (and there were no real surprises there) - (and I'm soooo delighted for her), but we still don't know at what cost.

 

[Draculus]

Actually, according to Russian law, parents have the right and are under the duty to care for the health, physical, psychological, spiritual and moral development of their children. Parental responsibility ends when a child reaches the age of eighteen – the age of majority under Russian law (Art. 61 (2))
So, while at 16 Anna could be tried for committing a crime, you are tried differently when you're under the age of majority then when you're not.

If Anna kills some judge with a knife after competition - she will go to prison, criminal punishment in Russia from 14 years. For "minor crimes" ("administrative responsibility" in Russian, sorry do not know proper English term) - from 16 years.
Yes, she will be treated differently - but basically it means she will have something like "extenuating circumstances" and some form of punishment (like death penalty) cannot be applied at all. But she will be responsible not her parents. A little bit less responsible but still.

 

[chasingneverland]

They need to send Trusova and bench her for now so she can rest and heal. This is absolute madness that she's not on the world team.

What is the plan here? Make Trusova skate until she pops a tendon and then send someone subpar? Russia may have a lot of quadsters but they actually don't have anyone of age with Trusova's BV right now for Worlds this year besides Anna. Making Trusova skate more is just insane.

They went medals and domination yes???? How is it rational to hinder Trusova????

This decision wasn't made because of Sasha.

 

[drivingmissdaisy]

If Anna kills some judge with a knife after competition - she will go to prison, criminal punishment in Russia from 14 years.

Hopefully they'd let her go to the Olympics first. It wouldn't be the same without her.

 

[Mathman]

In different times different things are considered heroic.

This is so true. Growing up in America in the 1950s, I was taught to take great pride in the heroism of my great-great-great grandpappy who immigrtated to the United States, personally killed hundreds of American Indians, enslaved dozens of kidnapped Africans and cut down thousands of trees with only a hand ax (him and his blue ox, Babe).

Later we began to question just how admirable and praiseworthy all this heroism was.

As for the Sherpas, quick, who is the first hero to have climbed Mount Everest? Is it the heroic Sir Edmund Hillary or is it unheralded Tenzing Norgay.

(Not to detract from Hillary's legacy. He later served as New Zealand's ambassador to Nepal and he established a foundation to build schools and medical facilities there.)

 

[chasingneverland]

But she still needs to compete in an additional competition (or possibly more!) just to earn that privilege.

What happens if she has another outing like Rostelecom? Bye bye spot.

And she's injured, she needs time to recover, but noooooo the Russian Figure Skating Fed apparently knows better.

I sure hope they don't sit around at meetings wondering why their female skaters often suffer injuries.

It's not just their female skaters. It's everyone. In fact, the decision was probably made based on the 2020 Euros mens gold and silver medalists both withdrawing from RusNats, Russia only having two men's spots, and Makar getting second. They were NOT naming Makar to the team if Dmitri (or Artur or Alexander) could get back in any way shape or form.

 

[chasingneverland]

OMG! He is so lovely!
I am wishing her happiness.(If it is true.)
People should stop being so narrow minded.

How do you take someone's words so out of context?

 

[Jontor]

Oh didn't you get the memo? Any time Sasha does well? That's the magic of Eteri.

Any time she makes a mistake that's fake coach and literal human garbage Plushenko's doing. (Take a look at Insta, people there literally say it to his face when he posts anything to do with Sasha)

And I never said you thought that, I thought I made that clear, but you can't deny that by calling Anna brave and strong and right to fight
other posters are suggesting those who don't follow her example are not.

But it's a moot point anyway, Aliona can not blame Plushy all she wants, but there's probably hoardes out there who think Plushenko has ruined her career and will hate him for it. Even better it doesn't matter what he does, he'll always be wrong always!

Case in point:

Anna skating through the tail end of pneumonia - Such bravery!

Had she withdrawn - Oh thank goodness Eteri and team showed sense and kept her safe!

Sasha skating with an unspecified injury - Plushenko doesn't give a fig about her health, what a monster. He's so selfish and arrogant and an affront to human decency.

Had Sasha withdrawn - Plushenko is scared, he's a fraud and probably caused Sasha's injury with his incompetence, the Russian Figure Skating Fed should close him down!

I just figure I might as well type all this myself and cut out the middleman, I'm tired of getting hit in the face with Plushenko insults whenever I go on this board. Might as well make them myself, then I'm not surprised by them.

LOL! Anonymoose please. Remember in the Russian Nationals thread you said you hate it when you become a different person in the RLT. Is that where we are now?

 

[Draculus]

YOU SHOULD NOT BE ABLE TO REFUSE A TEMPERATURE CHECK IN THE MIDDLE OF A PANDEMIC.

Can you please provide a link for this? Nobody helps me finding the source if this story...

 

[anonymoose_au]

It's not just their female skaters. It's everyone

How does that make it better for Sasha? She still has to compete in a further competition/s instead of focusing on trying to heal.

I have no faith in the Russian Figure Skating Fed, absolutely none, I have no doubt, none at all, that if Sasha tried to call their bluff, they would leave her off the Worlds Team. They don't like to be crossed or tested. They will punish you, even to their own detriment, to prove that they own you, that they're the boss and you're just a lowly mortal, and your career is entirely dependent on their wishes. They will crush you and they won't give a damn, just read up on how they treated Artur Gachinsky, just read what they said publicly about him on his retirement. It will make you sick.

They could avoid this by pushing back Nationals, but no, the Russian Figure Skating Fed always knows best.

My biggest wish is that one day it collapses and on that day I will laugh. And I hope a new better Fed will take it's place.

 

[Mathman]

LOL! Anonymoose please. Remember in the Russian Nationals thread you said you hate it when you become a different person in the RLT. Is that where we are now?

I'm with Anonymoose. I try to be a nice person, but this thread has gotten the best of me.

 

[chasingneverland]

Yeah sure use the table.

Or Anna could have used the intelligence she's apparently famous for and not opened this can of worms.

Bravo Anna.

PS. There are no Sherpas in this scenario, because despite Plushenko proving you could withdraw a minor athlete against their wishes Eteri, her team and parents just pretended they couldn't do anything and are all equally negligent.

I would assume a doctor knows more about health than a 16 year old girl. I would assume you agree.

So, as her doctor, did NOT withdraw her from her, I'm not going to criticize her intelligence - if I criticize anyone it's going to be her parents/doctor/coaches/Fed all of whom had the power to withdraw her/forbid her from competing and not. (Also you can be intelligent and make a questionable decision. Those aren't mutually exclusive.)

Why are you so determined to blame and insult the intelligence of a 16 year old? (Which btw she IS 16 and I don't know any 16 year old who makes wise decisions regardless of their intelligence. For that matter, the human brain hasn't reached full maturity until about 25 which has no bearing on your intelligence.)

 

[anonymoose_au]

I'm with Anonymoose. I try to be a nice person, but this thread has gotten the best of me.

Indeed on this thread my aim is to pre-empt Edwin, well known for pulling out the vilest slurs on Plushy's character.

It gives me joy to think that I've robbed them of first dibs on saying the worst thing possible about Plushy.

This disturbs me somewhat, but here we are.

 

[nussnacker]

This is so true. Growing up in America in the 1950s, I was taught to take great pride in the heroism of my great-great-great grandpappy who immigrtated to the United States, personally killed hundreds of American Indians, enslaved dozens of kidnapped Africans and cut down thousands of trees with only a hand ax (him and his blue ox, Babe).

Later we began to question just how admirable and praiseworthy all this heroism was.

As for the Sherpas, quick, who is the first hero to have climbed Mount Everest? Is it the heroic Sir Edmund Hillary or is it unheralded Tenzing Norgay.

(Not to detract from Hillary's legacy. He later served as New Zealand's ambassador to Nepal and he established a foundation to build schools and medical facilities there.)

Um... Not sure this is a valid comparison, I mean... killing hundreds of people and a 16 year old skating are clearly very different... but okay, whatevs I guess. Truly, a weird thread RLT is.

 

[trkvy]

despite Plushenko proving you could withdraw a minor athlete against their wishes

Plushenko proved nothing. Coach has no legal right to withdraw figure skaters from the competition against their will. He is not a slave owner. Only doctors and probably parents (if athlete is minor) can withdraw an athlete againts his will.
You just shouldn't believe everything Plushenko says.

 

[anonymoose_au]

Why are you so determined to blame and insult the intelligence of a 16 year

Because I can't imagine, that even when I was a 16 year old I would have made such a decision. And if I did I would hope people would call me on it.

Once again, with no one in her life willing to tell her how stupid and selfish she was, what has Anna learned? Nothing.

And next time she does this and it doesn't turn out well, it won't just be her hurt. It will be the family and friends that she loves as well.

I'm not sure if I'm weird, but I was brought up to consider what consequences my actions have not just on me, but others too.

I'm not saying Anna is the world's most horrible person, I'm merely saying that I refuse to praise a person for such a reckless act. I don't care how "beautifully" she apparently skated. I saw and felt no beauty from her skate.

That is my personal opinion, but I won't apologise or change it.

 

[NadezhdaNadya]

How do you take someone's words so out of context?

I hope they will marry soon so I can celebrate their marriage just like I did with Kate and William's marriage in 2011. Ah, memories!

 

[chasingneverland]

Oh didn't you get the memo? Any time Sasha does well? That's the magic of Eteri.

Any time she makes a mistake that's fake coach and literal human garbage Plushenko's doing. (Take a look at Insta, people there literally say it to his face when he posts anything to do with Sasha)

And I never said you thought that, I thought I made that clear, but you can't deny that by calling Anna brave and strong and right to fight
other posters are suggesting those who don't follow her example are not.

But it's a moot point anyway, Aliona can not blame Plushy all she wants, but there's probably hoardes out there who think Plushenko has ruined her career and will hate him for it. Even better it doesn't matter what he does, he'll always be wrong always!

Case in point:

Anna skating through the tail end of pneumonia - Such bravery!

Had she withdrawn - Oh thank goodness Eteri and team showed sense and kept her safe!

Sasha skating with an unspecified injury - Plushenko doesn't give a fig about her health, what a monster. He's so selfish and arrogant and an affront to human decency.

Had Sasha withdrawn - Plushenko is scared, he's a fraud and probably caused Sasha's injury with his incompetence, the Russian Figure Skating Fed should close him down!

I just figure I might as well type all this myself and cut out the middleman, I'm tired of getting hit in the face with Plushenko insults whenever I go on this board. Might as well make them myself, then I'm not surprised by them.

What other people think of where Aliona places blame has no bearing on what Aliona herself thinks. We don't even know what she thinks of her withdrawal now and if it was a wise decision (other than sadness at not being able to recreate the cute 3A picture which has nothing to do with the actual skating performances.) (All we know is that she wanted to skate THEN.)

Also, I disagree that those are mutually exclusive. I think Anna and Sasha showed bravery and courage here. I don't think that means Aliona didn't and is somehow incapable of that. (In fact, I would argue it was brave not to knowing it does affect her placement on the nationals/World's team. In fact, I would argue that after Rostelecom, Aliona (and Liza's) positions looked better while Sasha's looked worse. Now however, Sasha's looks stronger while Aliona's (and Liza's who did go) are more in doubt. (Although Aliona is the reigning Euro's/GPF champion so has a bit more leeway than others. Anna did too as the defending RusNat champion and Euro's/GPF silver medalist.)

Finally, Anna and her team have come under PLENTY of criticism.
For example, there have been plenty of people making these accusations:

Anna skating through the tail end of pneumonia - Such selfish/reckless behaviour! She broke so many rules! She must have been doping to get through! Eteri doesn't care at all about her skaters! Eteri forced this girl to skate!

Had she withdrawn - Others didn't withdraw! She must be faking pneumonia as she's probably just not ready (people did say she was faking pneumonia after she withdrew from Rostelecom). She's afraid to meet Sasha and Kamila and be beaten, etc.

Please stop assuming Plushy is the only one getting accused. And finally please stop putting words in other people's mouths. (At least let them state their comments here before pre-emptively assuming them.)

The fact of the matter is ALL of these girls get undue criticisms and posters constantly look to tear other skaters down.