2021-22 Russian Women's Figure Skating

[macy]

4F+3T and 3A from Adelia

https://www.instagram.com/p/Ca5AkyUox05/

https://www.instagram.com/p/Ca5APuxIiO0/

 

[Jumping_Bean]

To add to the Ultra-C madness, Veronika Zhilina seems to have had some fun with her quads in training today:
2A+1Eu+4S and 4Lz+3T

Anyways, congrats to Adeliia for finally landing a 3A, she's talked about wanting one for a while now.

 

[macy]

To add to the Ultra-C madness, Veronika Zhilina seems to have had some fun with her quads in training today:
2A+1Eu+4S and 4Lz+3T

Anyways, congrats to Adeliia for finally landing a 3A, she's talked about wanting one for a while now.

that girl's technique is so clean.

 

[drivingmissdaisy]

4F+3T and 3A from Adelia

https://www.instagram.com/p/Ca5AkyUox05/

https://www.instagram.com/p/Ca5APuxIiO0/

It's crazy to think that, 10 years ago, no human had landed the 4F in competition and now children are doing the jump.

 

[flanker]

It's crazy to think that, 10 years ago, no human had landed the 4F in competition and now children are doing the jump.

We've got over the turning point. Before that when no one was sure whether it is even possible it took much time and dedication to break it, but immediately when it is proven it is possible then it is like tsunami.

Whatever this era brings I am glad to live in such fascinating era.

 

[JazzUp]

some more positive news:

 

[silveruskate]

Another Tutberidze slide, they've even found a trick for the 3A now!

The Olympic scandal has reduced my enthusiasm for these jumps in all honesty. I really hope it can all be done and dusted asap so we know for sure.

 

[brakes]

Elana Kostyleva's (very talented 10yo Russian novice) mother on instagram:

А самое главное сейчас - беречь спортивное здоровье , физические и моральные силы к 17 годам. Травмированные спортсмены - не нужны не одному тренерy.

And the most important thing now is taking care of sporting health, physical and moral strength until age of 17. Injured athletes are not needed by any coach.

Looks like whole new approach to ladies figure skating is coming in Russia.

 

[Kittosuni]

Looks like whole new approach to ladies figure skating is coming in Russia.

With everything going on right now, I definitely see a lot of shake up coming. We will probably see how the Russian figure skating in general holds up in a year or 2.

 

[esteticlove]

Another Tutberidze slide, they've even found a trick for the 3A now!

Is this considered bad technique?

 

[flanker]

Is this considered bad technique?

We all know when the jumping technique is cosidered "a bad one"

 

[esteticlove]

Haha, yeah. But I was genuinely curious since I have never skated myself. For me, this type of gliding in looks fine, because it adds more flow to the jump. For example, jumping from a stand still almost breaks the program into 2 pieces, but this is just my personal perception, of course.

 

[macy]

Haha, yeah. But I was genuinely curious since I have never skated myself. For me, this type of gliding in looks fine, because it adds more flow to the jump. For example, jumping from a stand still almost breaks the program into 2 pieces, but this is just my personal perception, of course.

there are generally two different axel techniques we see, the one Valieva and Petrosian do where they don't step up into the jump and rather snap into rotation. then there is the technique like Wakaba and Aliona do (which is per say the "proper" axel technique, or classic technique) where they step up into the jump before rotating. the first isn't exactly wrong, it's just different, but less pleasing to me than a classic axel technique. that's why i loved Aliona's 3A so much, she got so much height on it. it was just so impressive.

 

[flanker]

I think it's like with the "V jumpers" in ski jumping. When first athletes started to jump like that, there were endless discussions about that it is not a proper technique, it is not how it should look like. But today all ski jumpers jump using "V" and there are no discussions anymore, simply because it is more effective.

 

[Amei]

According to this they are going to hold the First Channel One Cup to run concurrently with Worlds

 

[Trusova4Ever]

there are generally two different axel techniques we see, the one Valieva and Petrosian do where they don't step up into the jump and rather snap into rotation. then there is the technique like Wakaba and Aliona do (which is per say the "proper" axel technique, or classic technique) where they step up into the jump before rotating. the first isn't exactly wrong, it's just different, but less pleasing to me than a classic axel technique. that's why i loved Aliona's 3A so much, she got so much height on it. it was just so impressive.

Yulia Lipnitskaya also did the one without the step up. The proper technique is regarded as more sustainable though because the snapping technique relies on your ability to spin quickly, usually because of having low body mass which isn't guaranteed to stay the same as you grow, as opposed to the step up one which prioritizes height and power generated from strong leg muscles used to vault yourself into rotation. This way even if you grow at least you have sufficient height to get in enough rotation.

 

[Kittosuni]

there are generally two different axel techniques we see, the one Valieva and Petrosian do where they don't step up into the jump and rather snap into rotation. then there is the technique like Wakaba and Aliona do (which is per say the "proper" axel technique, or classic technique) where they step up into the jump before rotating. the first isn't exactly wrong, it's just different, but less pleasing to me than a classic axel technique. that's why i loved Aliona's 3A so much, she got so much height on it. it was just so impressive.

Its not technique Its just entries which are both correct. Ideally Its speed, use of leg muscle and quick rotation/snap that creates a very good axel. Aliona uses speed and leg muscle that is why she gets good height but lacks rotation. Take a look at Alyssa Liu who has same “classic technique” like Aliona but lacks speed and leg muscle but solely rely on upper strengths and snap. Your axel can survive weather its leg muscle, rotation or both as long as you can maintain good speed going.

 

[RoundedBackCamel]

What I love about the classic style is the “hang time” in the air. I first noticed it with Kurt Browing’s triple axels back in the day. He steps up, then there is a delay, and then he spins, then exits with good flow. No under-rotation and certainly no prerotation. It seems nearly impossible to achieve with women doing them and I’m sure it’s not deemed as efficient.

If anyone knows what the heck I’m talking about (I’m a total layperson), do you know of any examples of women, Russian or otherwise, doing this in triple axels? Even double axels.

*goes off to search vids*

 

[macy]

Its not technique Its just entries which are both correct. Ideally Its speed, use of leg muscle and quick rotation/snap that creates a very good axel. Aliona uses speed and leg muscle that is why she gets good height but lacks rotation. Take a look at Alyssa Liu who has same “classic technique” like Aliona but lacks speed and leg muscle but solely rely on upper strengths and snap. Your axel can survive weather its leg muscle, rotation or both as long as you can maintain good speed going.

what you described is exactly what technique is- it's the method in which a jump is performed.

 

[macy]

What I love about the classic style is the “hang time” in the air. I first noticed it with Kurt Browing’s triple axels back in the day. He steps up, then there is a delay, and then he spins, then exits with good flow. No under-rotation and certainly no prerotation. It seems nearly impossible to achieve with women doing them and I’m sure it’s not deemed as efficient.

If anyone knows what the heck I’m talking about (I’m a total layperson), do you know of any examples of women, Russian or otherwise, doing this in triple axels? Even double axels.

*goes off to search vids*

off the top of my head Mirai had this type of axel technique.