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2021-22 Russian Women's Figure Skating

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flanker said:
I'll be probably able to follow it directly at 1 TV channel page (VPN addon to firefox seems to be working well) but I guess there will be some stream on VK too.
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I found some Youtube channels that posted last year, not sure how 'real-time' it was. I think we could get some snippets through Instagram
 
Amei said:
I found some Youtube channels that posted last year, not sure how 'real-time' it was. I think we could get some snippets through Instagram
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Yes, I expect there will be footage easily available after the event, but so far not sure about live broadcasting.
 
Anna and Mark will be the team captains at the Channel 1 Trophy:
www.sports.ru

Щербакова и Кондратюк будут капитанами команд на Кубке Первого канала по фигурному катанию

Олимпийские чемпионы Анна Щербакова и Марк Кондратюк станут капитанами команд на Кубке Первого канала по фигурному катанию. Об этом сообщили в эфире Первого канала.
www.sports.ru
 
I don't want to link directly to the story that has led me to make this comment as it's been building up for a while.

Sports.ru has been bad for russian figure skating. For all the added engagement it brings it has caused so many to spout aggravating nonsense to bring attention to themselves. Averbukh is the only one who consistently comes off as having a 3 digit IQ and is able to craft his words carefully and diplomatically which is why he should be put in charge of the whole operation. If the age raise and other nominally anti-Russian measures are passed then without a doubt some part has been played by people who can't express themselves without coming off like asses.
 
macy said:
what time does the event start?
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Schedule is in the competitiobn thread:

2022 Channel One Cup

Channel One Cup - Saransk Date: March 25 - 27 Venue: Saransk Arena, Saransk, Mordovia, Russia Categories: Senior Team (Singles, Pairs, and Ice Dancing) Current local time in Saransk, Russia (UTC+3) https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/russia/saransk Competition Schedule (Local Time!) 25...
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Edit: The jumps competition should be broadcasted 23:15 Moscow time, tomorrow competition should be broadcasted live.
 
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flanker said:
Team captains like true team captains (y)

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Smart strategy by the Golden Girl; pretend to be his friend while quietly plotting to take his team down.

Never count Anna out but also never trust Anna when she is your competitor. And always count your fingers after you shake hands with her to make sure they are all still there if you are her adversary. Haha
 
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alexocfp said:
Smart strategy by the Golden Girl; pretend to be his friend while quietly plotting to take his team down.

Never count Anna out but also never trust Anna when she is your competitor. And always count your fingers after you shake hands with her to make sure they are all still there if you are her adversary. Haha
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C'mon, do you really see any danger for your fingers in this ice princess? :biggrin:

 
Trusova4Ever said:
For Anna's 3Lz!, she doesn't get much height on her triples and they don't cover much ice, in my opinion, doesn't get the bullet, her posture and toe hammer (or bending the free foot and slamming it into the ice like a hammer), coupled with her wildly swinging arms, in my opinion, doesn't look effortless or constitute a (subjective) "good take off", so I wouldn't give her the bullet. So, given that she doesn't get all three of the mandatory primary bullets that would make her eligible for a +4 or +5 GOE, she is capped at a +2 or in this case, with my assessment, she didn't get any positive GOE (0). For deductions, since the "!" is borderline/potentially "e", like Sasha's flip, I gave it a -2. Add this to the -1 I gave in addition for the "Poor Takeoff" deduction, her final score for this element would be a -3.
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I appreciate your analysis but I disagree. Even though you said Anna's "starting GOE" is capped at +2, you ended up putting her "starting GOE" at 0. The rules are written to be applicable across all levels of figure skating and, in that context, Anna would at least fulfill the "good height and length" of those basic bullet points. The other two are more debatable but I have definitely seen more effortful jumps.

One of Anna's big plus points in jumps over Sasha is that she always has good posture even when it's a step out whereas Sasha hunches a lot even when she lands cleanly. Therefore, by that logic, there are many of Sasha's jumps that should also be capped at +2 as she doesn't have "good landing". Personally, I'm not sure I agree with the rules here as Liza should also be capped as she telegraphs some of her jumps despite good takeoff technique. Furthermore, Anna has excellent air position which can't be rewarded if a judge decided she didn't get one of the basic bullets.

This situation is a failing of the rules imo. For example, not giving Anna the "good height and distance" bullet feels like a penalty because then she can't be rewarded for other positive points. But if she does get this point, then those with huge jumps are not rewarded for their qualities. It really depends on what counts as "good" but this is not clear from the existing documentation.

Finally, as you've already penalised Anna for "poor takeoff" and small jumps by "starting" her at +0, we ignore those negatives and you should arrive at -2 at worst. Personally, I think it's harsh not to reward any of Anna's good points even though it is within interpretation of the rules so I would give her +2 to start with and deduct down to +0 for the flat edge.
 
Lzbee said:
I appreciate your analysis but I disagree. Even though you said Anna's "starting GOE" is capped at +2, you ended up putting her "starting GOE" at 0. The rules are written to be applicable across all levels of figure skating and, in that context, Anna would at least fulfill the "good height and length" of those basic bullet points. The other two are more debatable but I have definitely seen more effortful jumps.

One of Anna's big plus points in jumps over Sasha is that she always has good posture even when it's a step out whereas Sasha hunches a lot even when she lands cleanly. Therefore, by that logic, there are many of Sasha's jumps that should also be capped at +2 as she doesn't have "good landing". Personally, I'm not sure I agree with the rules here as Liza should also be capped as she telegraphs some of her jumps despite good takeoff technique. Furthermore, Anna has excellent air position which can't be rewarded if a judge decided she didn't get one of the basic bullets.

This situation is a failing of the rules imo. For example, not giving Anna the "good height and distance" bullet feels like a penalty because then she can't be rewarded for other positive points. But if she does get this point, then those with huge jumps are not rewarded for their qualities. It really depends on what counts as "good" but this is not clear from the existing documentation.

Finally, as you've already penalised Anna for "poor takeoff" and small jumps by "starting" her at +0, we ignore those negatives and you should arrive at -2 at worst. Personally, I think it's harsh not to reward any of Anna's good points even though it is within interpretation of the rules so I would give her +2 to start with and deduct down to +0 for the flat edge.
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Weren't some of Anna's triples recorded amongst the highest of the ladies in the SP? Anna used to not have height and I criticised her a lot but now she does. 3Lz for sure, 2As are fine and the quads are quads. 3F is the only way one I'm sure. @Trusova4Ever is looking through the lenses of the past about this one.
 
Lzbee said:
I appreciate your analysis but I disagree. Even though you said Anna's "starting GOE" is capped at +2, you ended up putting her "starting GOE" at 0. The rules are written to be applicable across all levels of figure skating and, in that context, Anna would at least fulfill the "good height and length" of those basic bullet points. The other two are more debatable but I have definitely seen more effortful jumps.

One of Anna's big plus points in jumps over Sasha is that she always has good posture even when it's a step out whereas Sasha hunches a lot even when she lands cleanly. Therefore, by that logic, there are many of Sasha's jumps that should also be capped at +2 as she doesn't have "good landing". Personally, I'm not sure I agree with the rules here as Liza should also be capped as she telegraphs some of her jumps despite good takeoff technique. Furthermore, Anna has excellent air position which can't be rewarded if a judge decided she didn't get one of the basic bullets.

This situation is a failing of the rules imo. For example, not giving Anna the "good height and distance" bullet feels like a penalty because then she can't be rewarded for other positive points. But if she does get this point, then those with huge jumps are not rewarded for their qualities. It really depends on what counts as "good" but this is not clear from the existing documentation.

Finally, as you've already penalised Anna for "poor takeoff" and small jumps by "starting" her at +0, we ignore those negatives and you should arrive at -2 at worst. Personally, I think it's harsh not to reward any of Anna's good points even though it is within interpretation of the rules so I would give her +2 to start with and deduct down to +0 for the flat edge.
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Yes, I agree with a lot of your points. Sasha does have some bad landings, and yes I guess for Anna's triples height really depends on the angle and some of them are fine in terms of height, now with that said, her quads are quite big and I would agree with them having good height. If you look at my post in the Arms over the head thread, you can see that I admit Anna has one of the nicest air positions among the top ladies for her quads, they are straight and tall, her axis is always perfect and her shoulders are always down, but like you said, she wont get credit for them if some of the primary bullets are not reached. It is a shame, and I think the GOE bullets need to be reformed a little bit to give credit to skaters on their elements which have qualities that can't be awarded for because they missed a primary bullet.

Even though it would make things more complicated I think that they need to add specific bullets to the each individual type of jump to ensure or reward good technique, similar to how they have additional GOE bullets for Biellmann positions. For example, a Lutz should have minimal prerotation, toe pick assistance, etc. (this could also be an example of specifying the good takeoff bullet), Give a skater who has the classic, one legged salchow, which is harder and more impressive, a bonus bullet. Things like that.
 
silveruskate said:
Weren't some of Anna's triples recorded amongst the highest of the ladies in the SP? Anna used to not have height and I criticised her a lot but now she does. 3Lz for sure, 2As are fine and the quads are quads. 3F is the only way one I'm sure. @Trusova4Ever is looking through the lenses of the past about this one.
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Yeah, there was a chart that floated around the Olympics and for all the 'tiny jumps' comments that get made about her jumps, her SP jumps at the Olympics were right there with everyone else.
 
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