2021-22 Russian Women's Figure Skating
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This WS list really shows the problem with this system. Starr Andrews at 24th...hmmm.
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This is the specific time. If there was a normal season, many positions esp. in the middle would be different, like Kamila (but possibly also Daria, Maiia, but also the non-Russians like the korean girls...) would be different (higher) and Starr's as well (probably lower). If the upcoming season will be rather more than less normal, I guess ther positions will change more to the real strength of the skaters.
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Yeah you can sort of sniff out how the math works if you look at the rows in the document. Kamila was the JGP champ in 2019 but you can see how she gets fewer points than Alyona as senior GP champ. And then all the points from two seasons ago are weighted down further by a factor of 0.7, it seems.
The whole system does reward consistency over multiple seasons, though. And in a time when one of these youngsters can shoot up into prominence from out of nowhere (*not* a comment on Kamila!) then the system won't really capture the truth of current aptitudes.
And also the coronavirus disruptions of course.
The whole system does reward consistency over multiple seasons, though. And in a time when one of these youngsters can shoot up into prominence from out of nowhere (*not* a comment on Kamila!) then the system won't really capture the truth of current aptitudes.
And also the coronavirus disruptions of course.
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Here you go -- a helpful index of the short programs from one of our Golden Skate colleagues:
2021-22 Russian Women's Figure Skating
with how promising Zhilina is, Rusfed probably understand that she is the one who needs all the competition experience she can get to figure out her self before she turns senior.
Yes, but Andrews' position is high just because she showed up in a lot of competitions two years ago. She didn't skate very well, but she got a lot of points.
That's the problem with the WS points. You get points for just showing up. That falls hard on especially the Russian (and Japanese) women where a lot of them don't even get international competitions, so zero points for them.
Well my question on this part is how much exactly is this on the Fed or on the skaters and their coaches? Tuktamysheva since the 2014-2015 season (excluding last season for obvious reasons) usually does 3-4 events outside of her GP events; I looked at Kolyada and he's not exactly a stranger to doing multiple smaller competitions in addition to his GP events, Europeans and Worlds and that was before he went to Mishin, so maybe its a St. Petersburg thing. I mean I don't know if it would necessarily help the Russian girls that aren't getting GPs to get GPs but it doesn't seem like they are blocked from going to the lesser competitions.
I think Mishin in particular is smart and knows this. His skaters usually do a lot of Challengers. In the 2020 season Samodurova did 3 challengers and wd on the fourth. That gave her a lot of points to hold her up on the WS list. Maybe Mishin prioritises this, and spend less money on like...choreography?
Ultimately, I think it is a funding thing. It costs a lot to compete internationally.
Then on the other hand, if RusFed sent out all their talented women to skate internationally we would probably get a SB list that consists of 75% Russians. And then we get the problem we got when we went into the 2020 season where two Russian girls had to step down and didn't get any GP assignments although they had qualified for it.
So, I don't have a solution to this problem. In the end it all has to do with quotas and how many can compete in the big events.
But I always laugh when I see this WS list that is supposed to be the ranking of the best women in the world. We all know that isn't true. Like my example of Starr Andrews. Maria Talalaykina, who has never competed internationally in seniors would beat her any day. Starr is ranked 24th, where would Maria then really rank? She is not even on the list!
This scoring system favours the small federations. Maybe a solution would be to count national events as well (and maybe subtract 10% or something in the scoring for national bias) to get a more accurate view of the 'real' WS list.
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Its probably why Russian Nationals is usually the best competition of the season, even in 2019 when the 'big stars' under-performed it was still an entertaining competition to watch.
Yes, and in 2019 in particular, which was the toughest year ever, a lot of great skaters didn't even qualify for Nationals.
These skaters scored over 185 in the Russian Cup and still didn't qualify:
Anastasia Gracheva 191
Ksenia Sinitsyna 199
Serafima Sakhanovich 191
Ksenia Tsibinova 189
Alina Solovieva 186
Elizaveta Shilenko 193
Just caught up with the junior test skates. Interestingly, Eteris girls are bit lackluster (obviously for Eteris standards). No new tricks, falling, bland programms, no new harder elements or variations, which could start a new trend. I looks like eteri domination in juniors is gone. The other coaches are catching up. Is it only a fluke or is it because they focus more on the seniors due to olympia?
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I would judge the season when it ends not before it begins..
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Last year Eteri's girls underperformed strongly both at the junior and senior test skates. In 2018 Alina underperformed at the test skates and she became the world champion. Sofia Samodelkina had very good skate at the last year's junior's test skates and looked best prepared, then she didn't even medal at the junior nationals. The performance at the test skates tells very little about how the skater will skate during the season. Sometimes I think they just want to satisfy the "not-fans" at least at the start of the season if not at the end
Seriously, test skates are the part of the preparation for the season, not the season itself, so it's not like "let's prepare the skaters for the moment of the test skates", but "prepare them for the competition". Even the mistakes in this moment serve for the purpose of what to change, what to focus more on etc.
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I get that. But usually we get something new,even small things from eteri. Like a rippon 2a last year. Where is the eteri innovative spirit I wonder?Last year Eteri's girls underperformed strongly both at the junior and senior test skates. In 2018 Alina underperformed at the test skates and she became the world champion. Sofia Samodelkina had very good skate at the last year's junior's test skates and looked best prepared, then she didn't even medal at the junior nationals. The performance at the test skates tells very little about how the skater will skate during the season. Sometimes I think they just want to satisfy the "not-fans" at lest at the start of the season if not at the end
Seriously, test skates are the part of the preparation for the season, not the season itself, so it's not like !let's prepare the skaters for the moment of the test skates, prepare them for the competition". Even the mistakes in this moment serve for the purpose of what to change, what to focus more on etc.
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I guess this year they have extra time and focus on the seniors, understandably so. And I would wait to see the programs in competition and skated better.
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No russian skaters on the first two events at France!
https://www.sports.ru/figure-skatin...yat-na-pervyx-etapax-yuniorskogo-gran-pr.html
The russian skaters can't enter France without the vaccination. The point is that Russian vaccine is not approved in France. Such a pity.
https://www.sports.ru/figure-skatin...yat-na-pervyx-etapax-yuniorskogo-gran-pr.html
The russian skaters can't enter France without the vaccination. The point is that Russian vaccine is not approved in France. Such a pity.
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That's a huge BS.
If I understood the translation correctly, it says that the quota for these skaters will be redistributed to the other events - meaning those 4 missing spots will be open for Russia at the other stages, right?
I wonder if the same thing will apply to the senior Grand Prix. It doesn't seem like it'd work.
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As far as they announced, that's right. But thare also is an event in Austria, and I'm afraid that thay also have the same restrictions as in France. Moreover, the adult GP event is in France and the WCh.
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it's just an example of bureaucratic idiocy masking the politico-economic reasons.
Digital covid passes issued by San Marino are accepted by EMA (von den Leyen signed off on it on Jul 30) and are equal to EU's Digital Covid Pass, meaning that Sammarinese and Italians that got their vaccine shot there can travel in EU freely.
90% of the shots in San Marino were done with Sputnik V.
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