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Tarusina had health problems.
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She had injury issues due to her bus accident. Her knees were completely messed up when she posted a photo of them, it's honestly a surprise that she managed to get to the level she did and be somewhat competitive.
You can't help but wonder how she would have ended up if she had not ended up in the bus accident that messed both of her knees up but I guess that's just how things sometimes go.
And more than a little underscored for her lovely and expressive skating.
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I do feel so bad for Frolova. This situation is unfair. Russia is such a cutthroat country to get out off. I still don't know what Sadkova has done to deserve a spot above Frolova.
Well per my earlier post, my interpretation is that its not so much what Sadkova has done, but what Frolova has not - she's 16 still in Juniors and being surpassed by skaters several years younger than her. I did a quick look at their layouts at 1 of the Cup competitions last year - they did the exact same jumps across their SP and their FS with variances across where the jumps were placed in the program - 1 of those skaters was 12 the other 15. It stinks for Frolova but its the same reason why Gubanova and TALALAYKINA are changing countries; Frolova for all her lovely qualities has not kept up with the technical elements needed to be at the top of the sport in her country.
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Hmm I don't quite agree with this. Yes, Frolova doesn't have the quads and 3A but she has very stable triples and better PCS than Sadkova. Hers is the same technical content as many of the other juniors who just got spots and and some of the seniors who will get spots.
Also why are we knocking her age down when she's only 15. Muravieva is also 15 and just competed without quads or 3A and just got a 2nd spot. As for positions, wasn't Frolova just 5th at the end of the season and she's on the national junior team. Sadkova has never beaten her in placement, scoring, stability of jumps or in PCS points and isn't even on the national junior team(gotta confirm though).
I think this came down to their coaches
P.s Gubanova and TALALAYKINA have never been as stable in competition as Frolova.
Frolova turned 16 last month.
Gubanova was 21st in the Seasons Best List 2019 (and was even "guaranteed" a GP spot). When she was a junior she was even 17th in the SB list.
Frolova was 34th 2020.
Talalaikina (with a fall in the short) beat Frolova at last Nationals quite comfortably.
I have never seen Frolova stable at competitions. There has always been some mistakes here and there. But she was great at test skates...I'll give her that.
She is from Sambo70, the winning team, Frolova is not, and at JGP Russia Davydov already has Samodelkina and Kulikova.
It's not just all skaters merits, these conversations do exist, the winning clubs get more funding, get more spots for their juniors, etc.
CSKA hasn't achieved a lot in ladies, they have some power only because of Tarasova and Buyanova, and the history but results wise they're getting outshadowed even by the Angels of Plushenko.
Plus the prospect, now they are clearly pushing the big elements like quads and 3a and Frolova has none afaik. Which doesn't mean she is a bad skater, i actually like her a lot, i think it's one of those skaters you could really push the components mark working on the artistry.
What bothers me about Sadkova other than looking right now not exactly the biggest talent in Russia, is that programs are some clear low efforts, the free is an almost complete recycle from Khromykh's Ghost free, so clearly even the coaches don't care all that much about her right now.
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It’s not about their state right now, at this very moment, rather about their prospects as seniors. Also disagree that it’s at all about camps. Plushenko discredited himself pretty hard last season, but Veronika still got 2 spots ahead of everyone.
Winning JGPs is great and all, but Rusfed’s main ambition is to grow Olympic contenders, not have a JGPF packed with Russian girls.
Sadkova is still very likely to add those new jumps, she’s only 13 (she’s got 2 full years as a junior), but for Frolova it doesn’t look as likely, given her age, poorer basic technique and upcoming puberty.
Look at Frolova at 13 and at Sadkova at 13, Sadkova clearly has way more potential to nail these jumps, but also better SS and PCS overall than Frolova at 13.
Under Panova Frolova’s jumps were tiny and with a weird squirmy technique, she improved greatly under Davydov, but it doesn’t appear to me she improved to a degree to master a 3A/quad right now. Moreover as mentioned, she’s likely to start having jump problems due to puberty in the coming years, further preventing her from learning these jumps.
Sofia M. too has overall better technique than Frolova, and she at least showed an attempt at 4S, which probably counted favorably in the eyes of the fed.
while Anna’s PCS is good/equal comparatively to other juniors, she’s not in the realm of Kostornaia neither PCS, nor in basic technique for Rusfed to be willing to support her without 3A/quads. Also, back when Kosto was junior/entering seniors, those jumps weren’t at all as common as they are now.
I would say though, it would be more fair to give each of them only 1 stage and give a second one to the girl with the best result, not give a second spot to Muravyova straight away. After all, she only has 1 3-3 combo in her free, which is probably below the level of pre-novices in Russia. That tech content at 15 doesn’t seem to be able to bode well for her going forward. Unless she ungently nails that 4S, she’ll follow Frolova’s footsteps.
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She only jumped one 3-3 combo because that was all she needed to be second. Gold was out of reach anyway.
I'm sure that she would go for a quad and 3-3 in the beginning of the program if she needed to.
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No, not really. I assume she can’t do -Eu-3Sal is more likely the reason. Instead, she opts for 3-2-2 combo. Not sure if she’s capable of it, cause I personally don’t remember her doing it, maybe I forgot. Imo, lack of -eu-Sal will come bite her later on, whether or not she’ll get a quad.
Her second place was also not at all a given.
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I definitely remember her doing Eu-3Sal combos, I think even last season. I could be wrong though. I assumed she stopped doing them because she does the 3Sal as a placeholder for the quad now.
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I don’t think she did one last season… perhaps she tried them under Davydov?
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She did a nice 3F-Eu-3S at test skates in place of the 3-2-2 combo.
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because she did 4sal instead of 3sal in the beginning
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't solo 3S and a Eu-3S combo allowed in the same programme (so, not necessary to require a 4S in order to allow the 3S combo)?
I just thought maybe she was subbing in the 3-2-2 for some other reason, like making sure to skate clean at her international debut.
I think it's allowed, but it's probably not great for base value to repeat 3S as opposed to harder triples. That could be part of the reason as well.
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Exactly, Salchow has the lowest point value.
No, triple toe is lower.
Austria JGP is posted, tentatively Samodelkina and Zinina. Anything can happen depending upon the prior JGP results, but looks like Frolova and Berestovskaya completely locked out. Anyone else locked out from test skates? (Other than Gorbecheva, and she seemed to be told early on) Berestovskaya not even listed as a S.
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