2021-22 Russian Women's Figure Skating

[Skatesocs]

Fair enough. But she isn’t a big game player yet should be where the diagnosis should lean to a my opinion.

Looks like a gazillion rubles in practice but a gazillion times less than that when the director yells “action.”

That has been the case when she wasn’t getting on planes or in 2 countries in one week too.

I will say it again. I want her to succeed. Who doesn’t want to watch history? She got everyone excited 2 weeks ago.

I agree she needs to get her head in the game. I would still say she probably really was jet lagged and only fresh off test skates - but OTOH it can be easily interpreted as her collapsing in international competition yet again.

My problem with that dichotomy is, did Trusova really consider this competition to be a real competition? Discussion in that thread notwithstanding, it really was not. Trusova should have had it very comfortably. And if even this is not helping her, then she's in deep murk (bad word deleted!) indeed. My mind interprets it more favorably for her, and therefore I consider it more likely she was just jet lagged.

 

[alexocfp]

I agree she needs to get her in the game. I would still say she probably really was jet lagged and only fresh off test skates - but OTOH it can be easily interpreted as her collapsing in international competition yet again.

My problem with that dichotomy is, did Trusova really consider this competition to be a real competition? Discussion in that thread notwithstanding, it really was not. Trusova should have had it very comfortably. And if even this is not helping her, then she's in deep murk (bad word deleted!) indeed. My mind interprets it more favorably for her, and therefore I consider it more likely she was just jet lagged.

So, maybe the lesson after all is not to take your opponents lightly when you are the overwhelming favorite.

Thinking you will win big and actually doing it are 2 different things.

 

[Minz]

Honestly, I didn't expect 5 clean quads, because doing 5 clean quads is ridiculously difficult. It is a feat that very few people alive have ever accomplished, so to fall and make mistakes is almost inevitable. Even Nathan Chen makes mistakes.

I want all the skaters to do well, but at the end of the day, the skaters know themselves best, and it's up to them (and their coaches) to decide what to do. And neither Sasha nor Eteri is stupid, if there wasn't a reason to go, then they wouldn't have gone.

 

[chasingneverland]

How can there be 4 Russians competing? I mean I like it but I thought 3 was the maximum at the Grand Prix final.

It's not a GP event. It's an ISU other event this year. (It's been part of the CS before but isn't this year.)

 

[starlight97]

Anybody else found it a bit curious how Daniil choose to describe Alena's FS? He was supposed to speak about her program and music choice but after saying "we already knew 2 years ago that she should skate to Vivaldi in the olympic season" he immediately went into a seemingly unprompted discussion of her character flaws..?
"She is probably one of the skaters that's most talented and where her personality gets most in the way of that talent"
"There is no reason for her not to jump quads, physically she can, mentally she can't"
"If people don't like her program it's because she doesn't perform it well, even the best choreography doesn't work if the skater isn't skating it correctly"

Is that him still processing the fact that she behaved in such a disrespectful way when leaving them last season or was he asked to elaborate on this? Just seemed a bit funny/strange to me

 

[chasingneverland]

She should never have sent stateside for an unimportant event when coronavirus is running wild again in America. Evgenia got sick last year Anna got sick Aliona and many other Russian skaters took ill last year. I don't see a reason to send one of their top skaters to a country that is having an issue with part 2 of Coronavirus.

Maybe they should go back to 4 quads in the free and then when Saaha starts to nail that then think about 5 again.

She'll be there for skate america in a month.

 

[Shayuki]

[/QUOTE]Well she's Russian, but

Anybody else found it a bit curious how Daniil choose to describe Alena's FS? He was supposed to speak about her program and music choice but after saying "we already knew 2 years ago that she should skate to Vivaldi in the olympic season" he immediately went into a seemingly unprompted discussion of her character flaws..?
"She is probably one of the skaters that's most talented and where her personality gets most in the way of that talent"
"There is no reason for her not to jump quads, physically she can, mentally she can't"
"If people don't like her program it's because she doesn't perform it well, even the best choreography doesn't work if the skater isn't skating it correctly"

Is that him still processing the fact that she behaved in such a disrespectful way when leaving them last season or was he asked to elaborate on this? Just seemed a bit funny/strange to me

No, that's the way Daniil's always talked about her. Perhaps he doesn't like her.

 

[chasingneverland]

Agreed.

I could understand if sasha went to Estonia or Finland or Austria for a competition but not all the way across the Atlantic Ocean. Sasha is not ill she is not injured and I imagine she will get a lot better from here on out. But seeing her score only 216 points was shocking even though we know she can be hit-or-miss.

She scored 217 at World's and that was in Sweden.

She needs to work on her consistency and competing after traveling across the Atlantic is something she'll need to do for Skate America. (She also has NHK.)

 

[sc8]

I really doubt Eteri would ever water down Akatieva’s content just so older girls could be more confident. It’s not what she does… if she did something like that, I bet the trust between them would be gone and Akatieva would probably feel very mistreated. Her system’s principle, it seems, is that she allows each skater to do the maximum content they are capable of skating clean, and that the judges decide the rest. Like each RusNats or competition where she had more than 1 girl, she doesn’t know which of her girls are gonna place where, and she can’t fully predict the outcome.

I agree. I don’t know Eteri personally, but I’m confident she and her team work with each of their potential gold medalists (let’s be honest) and maximizes their point possibilities by selecting each student’s best or unique skills and qualities and accentuating them. The coach, the skater, the parents…all have the same goal…top of the podium. Judges are the ones that call what they see and their scores make the decisions.

 

[Scott512]

She scored 217 at World's and that was in Sweden.

She needs to work on her consistency and competing after traveling across the Atlantic is something she'll need to do for Skate America. (She also has NHK.)

How can you work on consistency when you have the toughest programs in the world at least with a free skate? At this stage of the season I think Sasha should be doing no more than 4 quads. Get back on lockdown then go to 5 at nationals. Whatever happens it's gonna be very dramatic and very exciting. Everyone is entitled to a slow start to the season.

If sasha can get to upper seventies in the SP by nationals it would be almost impossible to keep her out of the top 3 there.

 

[Scott512]

She'll be there for skate america in a month.

2 trips from Moscow to the United States in a month in a pandemic what kind of sense does that make? Geez.

 

[chasingneverland]

2 trips from Moscow to the United States in a month in a pandemic what kind of sense does that make? Geez.

I think it WAS practice for Skate America.

Also, Sasha is determined to do her 5 quad program - and she can do it. Especially with the lack of international competitions last year. Sasha - and the rest of the Rus ladies - need practice in front of judges to see how their programs are received (particularly in an Olympic year) and competition experience.

One reason for the Rus ladies success IS their consistent competitions.

 

[mmqm0]

At the current moment, the most likely Olympic team would consist of Valieva, Trusova plus one wildcard. Shcherbakova may be the most likely third place but people like Khromykh, may become a dark horse.

 

[msteach3]

I feel bad for Trusova. She would have been better off at the other place. Say what you will about that other coach, but I felt that her artistry developed tremendously last year. Now she gets handed this dime in a dozen, generic program for her Olympic coronation season, which is basically unwatchable minus the quads. If this wasn’t happening to other Eteri students as well, I would have thought that it was a deliberate act of sabotage to get back at her for trying to leave. I get that they value “loyalty,” or w/e, but Eteri, c’mon. He Is Not The One.

I couldn't disagree more with the above...

The program has the potential to be a showstopper in Beijing if executed cleanly and improved PCS. I don't feel bad for her at all. She's doing just fine...wait and see.

 

[Azikin]

At the current moment, the most likely Olympic team would consist of Valieva, Trusova plus one wildcard. Shcherbakova may be the most likely third place but people like Khromykh, may become a dark horse.

So you think the girl who almost lost to Yeonjeong Park recently is a more likely candidate that the current World champion and 3 times Russian champion in row.. interesting..

 

[Blades of Passion]

Can we please get Trusova back to her 2019-2020 season program. She never got to skate it at Worlds! The current one is an abomination.

 

[bookofcharms]

Coming in late to say how much I enjoyed Liza Tuktamysheva’s programs and packaging. Regardless of placements or teams etc my big hope for this season is that we get to see her skate that free program lights out.

 

[nussnacker]

Anybody else found it a bit curious how Daniil choose to describe Alena's FS? He was supposed to speak about her program and music choice but after saying "we already knew 2 years ago that she should skate to Vivaldi in the olympic season" he immediately went into a seemingly unprompted discussion of her character flaws..?
"She is probably one of the skaters that's most talented and where her personality gets most in the way of that talent"
"There is no reason for her not to jump quads, physically she can, mentally she can't"
"If people don't like her program it's because she doesn't perform it well, even the best choreography doesn't work if the skater isn't skating it correctly"

Is that him still processing the fact that she behaved in such a disrespectful way when leaving them last season or was he asked to elaborate on this? Just seemed a bit funny/strange to me

There wasn’t anything disrespectful in how he talked about her, in fact, he complimented her a lot. There are no character flaws he mentioned?
It’s not the „personality“ he was talking about, but Aliona’s mental approach to jumps. He believes she could do so much more with the talent that she has, but that mentally she’s not ready to concur those jumps. She also said herself shortly before, that even 3A is an extreme thing to do for her, so her not being mentally ready for quads makes perfect sense.
Regarding Shae‘s program, I think he was trying to show that programs, Aliona skated to last season, weren’t shown to their full potential. More precisely, he said that if the program isn’t polished, then it won’t look good.
And they really didn’t even have time to polish up those programs at that point, she had only a few weeks to learn and skate 2 new programs.

 

[Skatesocs]

Can we please get Trusova back to her 2019-2020 season program. She never got to skate it at Worlds! The current one is an abomination.

I support this (she has the skating quality now to bring the performance out), but still... It won't happen, and I'll take the current LP over the R&J. Although TBH, if she doesn't land jumps, it'll still look bad

 

[PavelSky]

Maria Dmitrieva - Short Program at Cup of St. Petersburg Stage 1 (21/09/2021)

3A+3T