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2021-22 Russian Women's Figure Skating

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I honestly think this was just a judging and technical panel that did its job correctly. ( Other than the persistent obsession with lips while flutzes are ignored) They weren't sending anyone messages, they were just judging what was put out on the ice. This good judging likely won't carry over to other competitions. Anna will be fine.
Anna has a good flip edge and a mostly flat lutz. If the judges were actually doing their job properly they'd have pointed in that direction. As I said after the SP, malicious judging is the worst kind of all.
 
I hope I am wrong and alena, Anna and Sasha can pull through, but they are all in their third senior season and well it's sadly right on the timeline of eteris method that in their third season they recline and the new and younger seniors take over. It was the same with zhenya, then with alina, now it's the 3 . I do really hope i am wrong here , because i like all 3.
In the past the younger ones have taken over with new weapons. This time it is a little different because the younger ones don't do anything new or anything the older ones can't do. The younger ones are just more consistent while the older ones struggle with injuries, motivation, consistency and other issues. Anything is still possible because Sasha still has all of her quads + a potential 3A and Anna has always fought her way back to the top with two different high scoring quads. Alena on the other hand still has a lot of work to do to even regain her 2019/2020 form. And she has competitors now with more attempting 3A.
 
I hope I am wrong and alena, Anna and Sasha can pull through, but they are all in their third senior season and well it's sadly right on the timeline of eteris method that in their third season they recline and the new and younger seniors take over. It was the same with zhenya, then with alina, now it's the 3 . I do really hope i am wrong here , because i like all 3.
When coaches are not supposed to be discussed here, I'll just make a simple answer. I think people are too focused on the one team and do not apply experience from elsewhere. Hardly any skater is 100% perfect all the time and all seasons. While in russian skating currently some consider Liza to represent an example of all time top skater, the truth is that between her 17 and 20 she was completely out of the russian top. Kudos to her for being able to return to the top, but I do not see people making similar assumptions with Mishin even if Sofia Samodurova since her senior debut season was never able to repeat her best or to reach 200 points again and similarly with his other skaters. And that can be applied to any other coaching team not just in Russia. So, IMO, people just should not estimate that a skater, as any other athlete, will be flawless for the whole career, whether he's from Eteri's team or not. As Ted Barton always says: "there will be ups and there will be downs."
 
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I don't think this is a case of the younger ones blanket doing better. In my opinion Daria and Maiia won't do better than 3A did in their first senior season. Daria doesn't have ultra-C.

Liza and Maiia are becoming threats but it's more like Valieva and everyone else.

At this stage we have Sasha, Anna, Liza and Maiia (with the extra 5 points for Lz and 2T would be 229), as 230+ skaters. Aliona and Daria right behind them.
 
Was Rostelecom considered international last year or domestic? If that was domestic, then JGP would be her last international, I think? Which means she would be able to compete internationally next season for a different country?
I think Moscow was domestic last year because of the virus.

I don't think the Russian figure skating federation is super happy 2 of their girls left recently for other countries even though they're not the top level girls. I'm sure the fed is worried about this opening the flood gates.
But Anna and her parents have to stand strong and and try to forge a career for this lovely 16 year old who is buried around phenoms everywhere. I mean think about it Anna F is older than KV Dasha and Maya. I'm sure she feels the squeeze the way Nastya did for years from 4A Stasya and Samodurova..
 
Anna has a good flip edge and a mostly flat lutz. If the judges were actually doing their job properly they'd have pointed in that direction. As I said after the SP, malicious judging is the worst kind of all.
Her lutz was fine in this competition. Not deeply outside, but visibly outside (especially comparing to some other skaters competing at Budapest who didn't get a call either). Her flip in a combo was maybe flat, but triple flip on its own was good, at least to me. She probably worked more on her lutz edge, so these things can happen at the beginning of the season (especially with tough tech specialist).
 
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Her lutz was fine in this competition. Not deeply outside, but visibly outside (especially comparing to some other skaters competing at Budapest). Her flip in a combo was maybe flat, but triple flip on its own was good, at least to me. She probably worked more on her lutz edge, so these things can happen at the beginning of the season (especially with tough tech specialist).
Yes her lutz look good in this competition. They really seem outside too me. She look like she did work on the edges. Not good when the tech panel these days are more concern with flip edges. She djd receive some dubious rotation calls though. I still maintain that TP was looking for a score too settle especially finding out after the fact who the tech specialist was. No wonder the scoring was so eerily familiar.
 
Yup. The wheels on my "Maia is going to the Olympics" van is rolling in full motion. :cheer: Beating the world champion and getting 70 pcs in your senior debut is one big statement. Alena is a mess, Anna cant land a quad because of injuries and Daria hasnt shown any ultra c element.
Aliona is a mess because of stamina, and her SP proved this. Anna and Daria are both injured. These things can easily resolve themselves in mid-season. While I like Maia and root for her because she was the underdog and really came into her own at the end of last season, I don't think a single competition is enough to judge the rest. Let's give it at least the Grand Prix stages to see where they go.
 
Aliona is a mess because of stamina, and her SP proved this. Anna and Daria are both injured. These things can easily resolve themselves in mid-season. While I like Maia and root for her because she was the underdog and really came into her own at the end of last season, I don't think a single competition is enough to judge the rest. Let's give it at least the Grand Prix stages to see where they go.
This.
Personally, I'm going to make no predictions until GPF rolls around and we can watch the top 6 go against each other.
 
Congrats Maia.

Did Anna win silver and where did SS finish?

It's going to be really hard keeping Maya and KV off the Olympic team because they have the the big jumps and they Is are the right age to peak at the Olympics which alinat the Olympics which Alina proved 4 years ago.

Anna sasha and aleona still have time to have good seasons and make the Olympic games.
But the pressure is on them and the competition is like nothing we've ever seen for one discipline for any country and then the Russians have almost the same thing in pairs.
 
I hope I am wrong and alena, Anna and Sasha can pull through, but they are all in their third senior season and well it's sadly right on the timeline of eteris method that in their third season they recline and the new and younger seniors take over. It was the same with zhenya, then with alina, now it's the 3 . I do really hope i am wrong here , because i like all 3.
I get what you are saying (anna could be a second zhenya) ... but i'm gonna be positive:
_ anna: she has an iron will and normally she is a long runner .. her best is at nationals ... so in anna's schedule there isn't any rush
_ sasha is sasha... she has a mentality of a winner ..
_ alena ... the problem is mental ... she can land 3A ( and if beautiful could be enough for a podium) from one day to the next if her head's is ok ...

The new one:
_ Daria: to be honest I don't think she has a shot
_ Kamilla: Rusfed want's her, she have the tech and pcs .. but can she survive to the pressure
_ Maiia: the underdog ... but to get a shot she has to be perfect ... she has a 4T and 4S

# Tuk: I think most people want to see her in the olympics because she is the prove that you can be russian and more than 20 a still have a shot

So is open season until nationals
 
I get what you are saying (anna could be a second zhenya) ... but i'm gonna be positive:
_ anna: she has an iron will and normally she is a long runner .. her best is at nationals ... so in anna's schedule there isn't any rush
_ sasha is sasha... she has a mentality of a winner ..
_ alena ... the problem is mental ... she can land 3A ( and if beautiful could be enough for a podium) from one day to the next if her head's is ok ...

The new one:
_ Daria: to be honest I don't think she has a shot
_ Kamilla: Rusfed want's her, she have the tech and pcs .. but can she survive to the pressure
_ Maiia: the underdog ... but to get a shot she has to be perfect ... she has a 4T and 4S

# Tuk: I think most people want to see her in the olympics because she is the prove that you can be russian and more than 20 a still have a shot

So is open season until nationals
Good details and I agree with most of it. In 2018 Alina was on the way up. Now Maia is on the way up. Kamila is still on the way up. It will be hard for the other Russian ladies as fantastic as they are to overcome both of these 15 year old phenomenon's this year. now Liza certainly has another contender to deal with for the Olympic team 3rd spot. That's not what she needed.
 
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