2021-22 Russian Women's Figure Skating

[Paulipau]

Also, I understand that Liza has already had COVID .. isn't that equivalent to being vaccinated as her body has already produced antibodies?

Most countries allow entry with certification of recovered Covid up to 3 months from recovery.

There is no such thing as a "flutz". There is "e" - this is when the wrong angle is large (for example it's like here), there is "!".

Of course there is Flutz as there is Lip, those are colloquial terms for wrong ended jumps

 

[Minz]

Alright, I’m off I’m on a school trip until Friday, so I won’t see any news or anything, but I’ll be back in time for Skate Canada!

 

[macy]

so happy they recieved the visas. will they be leaving today then?

 

[florin]

Of course there is Flutz as there is Lip, those are colloquial terms for wrong ended jumps

"colloquial"? Well, grandmothers on a bench also has own colloquium, but nobody cares.

For adequate people, with whom, thank God, the technical team also belongs, Daria certainly does not have an "e" on her lutz and it can only be about "!". All other - "flutz" , "mambutz" - just another internet fantasies.

 

[AlexBreeze]

so happy they recieved the visas. will they be leaving today then?

The skaters from St. Peterburg are leaving tonight. The skaters from Moscow are leaving tomorrow afternoon.

 

[Tolstoj]

"colloquial"? Well, grandmothers on a bench also has own colloquium, but nobody cares.

For adequate people, with whom, thank God, the technical team also belongs, Daria certainly does not have an "e" on her lutz and it can only be about "!". All other - "flutz" , "mambutz" - just another internet fantasies.

I don't agree with the "nobody cares", you probably don't but these are terms used in the figure skating community for decades, even coaches sometimes use them.

Just like ISU never officially called the jump repetition limit the "Zayak rule" or the backloading limit the "Zagitova rule".

 

[sclloyd]

Yes she does want to break records, but she also one said something along the lines of “First place is winning, everything else is loosing”. So she clearly wants to win as well.

True. But would she be happy to win the Olympic Silver or Bronze trying for a five quad FS, falling on half, and still being the first lady to land say, the quad lutz, toe, and flip in a single program (or any) at the Olympics if it meant she might win the Gold, and break the five quad record as well?

 

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I have absolutely no idea. Canada seems to be pretty strict when it comes to letting people into the country. I remember Jason Brown needed to get like, 3 different letters from USFS, Skate Canada, and such just to drive across the US-Canada border last year.

Let's not mix up things. Writing letters is writing letters - if necessary on can bring a dozen of letters, who cares? Delaying issuing visas and then imposing further restrictions that may forbid the "designated winners" to compete is a quite a different "animal". But let's not jump to conclusions now. Not letting Valieva to participate will be a major scandal.

 

[kmw227]

So if I'm understanding this right, the Canadian government granted the visas to the skaters, so now it's up to Skate Canada (the federation) to decide whether or not they'll allow the skaters to compete without the full quarantine. Let's hope they'll all be able to compete as scheduled

 

[icybear]

Also, I understand that Liza has already had COVID .. isn't that equivalent to being vaccinated as her body has already produced antibodies?

COVID isnt chickenpox. You can get it twice like the flu. And even if her body is more immune to it she can still spread it to others.

 

[Lzbee]

So if I'm understanding this right, the Canadian government granted the visas to the skaters, so now it's up to Skate Canada (the federation) to decide whether or not they'll allow the skaters to compete without the full quarantine. Let's hope they'll all be able to compete as scheduled

No the quarantine is mandated by the Canadian government. It will be up to them if the skaters get an exemption.

 

[Magill]

Let's not mix up things. Writing letters is writing letters - if necessary on can bring a dozen of letters, who cares? Delaying issuing visas and then imposing further restrictions that may forbid the "designated winners" to compete is a quite a different "animal". But let's not jump to conclusions now. Not letting Valieva to participate will be a major scandal.

No. Jason was not allowed to cross the border despite all the letters of support because his journey was not considered vital enough for the peak of pandemic. He crossed at a different crossing some time later.
Sorry to dissappoint you and do not take it personal, but I am pretty sure 99.9% of Canadian officials neither know nor care who Valieva is and what field she is "a designated winner" at. Neither do they care at the slightest who wins Skate Canada or GPF. To them she is just another visa applicant whose paperwork they are supposed to check in accordance with the applicable rules. That's all there is.

 

[flakyy]

These issues should have been resolved well before the GP even started. Figure skaters aren't around for leisure, they are professionals doing their job. In Germany, for example, soccer players without vaccination are allowed to play in stadiums with 2G requirement (only vaccinated or recovered individuals allowed).
Even greater problem: Peking Olympics and the announced 21 days quarantine for invaccinated individuals. Makes it pretty much impossible for anyone to compete without vaccination. No idea how Trusova et al want to get past that obstacle.

 

[el henry]

"colloquial"? Well, grandmothers on a bench also has own colloquium, but nobody cares.

For adequate people, with whom, thank God, the technical team also belongs, Daria certainly does not have an "e" on her lutz and it can only be about "!". All other - "flutz" , "mambutz" - just another internet fantasies.

Much like triksel. Another internet fantasy

These terms do in fact mean something in the English speaking skating world. Is there a reason that you don't like the terms?

(I have absolutely no opinion on who does or does not have flutzes or lips).

 

[el henry]

No. Jason was not allowed to cross the border despite all the letters of support because his journey was not considered vital enough for the peak of pandemia. He crossed at a different crossing some time later.
Sorry to dissappoint you and do not take it personal, but I am pretty sure 99.9% of Canadian officials neither know nor care who Valieva is and what field she is "a designated winner" at. Neither do they care at the slightest who wins Skate Canada or GPF. To them she is just another visa applicant whose paperwok they are supposed to check in accordance with the applicable rules. That's all there is.

This. Jason was denied crossing the first time. Because why should a border official know or care about skating? They don't. ETA: And Americans don't need visas to enter Canada, they needed documentation at the height of the pandemic. Same difference

99.99% of the US population does not know who figure skaters are from other countries or would care if they were allowed into the US for a skating comp. I would surmise it is the same for Canada.

The skating world may revolve around who is at what comp, but the "real world" does not care. Nor should it. And that is not a failing of Canada, of Skate Canada, of the ISU, is it not a conspiracy, it just is.

I am glad for the skaters who received their passports for Skate Canada.

 

[Rudel-chw]

COVID isnt chickenpox. You can get it twice like the flu.

Yes, but it's quite rare:

"PHE's ongoing study on immunity in healthcare workers found 44 potential re-infections in a group of 6,614 people who had previously had the virus. Researchers conclude reinfection is uncommon but still possible and say people must continue to follow current guidance, whether they have had antibodies or not." Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/health-52446965

 

[Artemisa]

No the quarantine is mandated by the Canadian government. It will be up to them if the skaters get an exemption.

No, the quarantine isn't mandatory. They are considered by the exemptions: amateur sports .. they only have to do a test + to be careful and avoid exposure during their stay and reduce the staying to the minimum

" A person who enters Canada to take part in an international single sport event that has been authorized by the Deputy Minister of Canadian Heritage (a high-performance athlete or someone engaged in an essential role in relation to that event, affiliated with a national organization responsible for that sport), as long as the person complies with any conditions imposed on them to minimize the risk of introduction or spread of COVID-19

Exempt from arrival test
Exempt from Day-8 test
Exempt from quarantine"

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[florin]

Much like triksel. Another internet fantasy

These terms do in fact mean something in the English speaking skating world. Is there a reason that you don't like the terms?

(I have absolutely no opinion on who does or does not have flutzes or lips).

Everyone understands everything, but nevertheless play with words

Okey, I will make a formal explanation (which both you and Paulipau already know) but only once.

It's not a matter of slang. There is a large stratum of fans who believe that only lutz with deep edge is a true lutz. Usually these are fans of those skaters who make that kind lutz (like lady from Paulipau's avatar). These fans reject the gradation of edge error accepted by the ISU (with "e" and "!") using the slang word "flutz" for both "!" and "e" and thereby trying to promote their uber-rigorous ideas in the public consciousness (and in fact just implicitly trying to promote their favorites). I don't like it and I clearly point it out by ridiculing it. Was I able to explain my position?

 

[vorravorra]

Yeah Sputnik doesn't qualify for the vaccinated traveler exception. However, I'm pretty sure Daria, Sasha, and Kseniia all said they weren't vaccinated so I would be surprised if any of the others are. I don't think Russia is vaccinating under 18 anyway so it's kinda a moot point (although someone correct me if I'm wrong).

You can get vaccinated if you are under 18 as part of a clinical trial. It was mentioned somewhere that Plushenko pulled strings to get his students vaccinated, I am pretty sure others could have done it too. He himself was also vaccinated among the first in Russia at the (adult) clinical trial stage.

 

[el henry]

Everyone understands everything, but nevertheless play with words

Okey, I will make a formal explanation (which both you and Paulipau already know) but only once.

It's not a matter of slang. There is a large stratum of fans who believe that only lutz with deep edge is a true lutz. Usually these are fans of those skaters who make that kind lutz (like lady from Paulipau's avatar). These fans reject the gradation of edge error accepted by the ISU (with "e" and "!") using the slang word "flutz" for both "!" and "e" and thereby trying to promote their uber-rigorous ideas in the public consciousness (and in fact just implicitly trying to promote their favorites). I don't like it and I clearly point it out by ridiculing it. Was I able to explain my position?

I understand now, I think; thank you for answering. It is not a matter of the words but of their application. As I said, I have no opinion on any skater's edges or lack thereof; but I know that I have seen these terms used by all sorts of commentators, so that are in fact in common use.