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But do I think Mao and Miyahara are? Absolutely.
Mao and Satoko were always underappreciated in PCS (Mao way more than Satoko to me). It was a crime how they were scored, just like it is a crime how Aliona is being scored now, when she’s already pretty much back to where she was in 19-20.

Cool story though, let Liza have her political connection score.
 
I think the problem with PCS scores are that they really don't stand for anything like the BVs in the tech elements. I think PCS are scored today exactly the same way as they were in the 6.0 era. Which means that the judges simply compare skaters with each other. That's why PCS can differ so much between competitions. And when you think about it, of course they have to score it this way because in the end it's all about subjective opinions anyway. But it also means that you can never compare PCS from let's say Skate America and Skate Canada.
 
If you admit that PCS is all political then you admit that Liza doesn’t deserve her score from a skating perspective and that the governing skating body is corrupt. If the scores aren’t a reflection of skills then they have no business using them to judge a “competitive” field
Yes I am the first one to admit ISU is unbelievably corrupt and I can’t understand why skaters even want to compete when their performance has so little connection to how they are scored. Certain skaters and certain countries are overscored or underscored depending on the current flavors. Ex. Papadakis/Cizeron were overscored to try to make a rival for V/M. Now the cycle continues and S/K are overscored to try to make a rival for P/C.

Or another example Samodurova, when she won Euros she somehow got 68 PCS because Russia was suddenly looking vulnerable to Rika, Satoko, and Kaori who had all had very good seasons and Rusfed realized oh crap we need to make Samodurova a competitor for them in case Zagitova/Medvedeva don’t work out. Next season when the 3A arrived she was immediately dumped in PCS.

Even domestically this happens. 2019 Russian cup final Liza was underscored to get Medvedeva to worlds. 2021 Russian Cup Final came around and now Liza is in style and Aliona is the naughty girl so they made sure to put Liza 1st in PCS this time. Heck Khromykh should have beat Valieva at the same event but they couldn’t have their next OGM losing to some girl who had never won anything before so Valieva got the PCS she needed to win
 
I dont get this idea that Elizaveta was severely underscored in pcs and now she's getting the right score. Its just that she wasnt as inflated as her fellow Russians because she is most glaringly obvious weakest of them all in pcs and the judges didnt bother inflating her because of her inconsistency. Now judges are acting like she now she does Eteri level transistions when she still telegraphs her jumps. And her SS is still below average like before. I can see improvement in SS from Alexandra and Alysa but Elizaveta still the same. Choreo still the same old unrefined, uninspiring arm movement.
 
Mao and Satoko were always underappreciated in PCS (Mao way more than Satoko to me). It was a crime how they were scored, just like it is a crime how Aliona is being scored now, when she’s already pretty much back to where she was in 19-20.

Cool story though, let Liza have her political connection score.
“Under appreciated” is one way to say it. I would say “systematically and intentionally targeted”
 
just like it is a crime how Aliona is being scored now, when she’s already pretty much back to where she was in 19-20.

Cool story though, let Liza have her political connection score.
See, this is where I disagree. Her 3A is looking a bit better but her stamina and spins are still not on the 19-20 level. She‘s visibly slower and her skating skills have regressed as well. The thing is, though, that despite her not being in her top shape, her spins and skating skills are still quite a bit better than Liza‘s. And that‘s exactly what makes the difference in scoring so baffling.
 
How exactly? She had a fall in the FS just like Anna but her BV was about 5 points lower (and 20 points lower than Trusova, btw). You could argue that Anna was overscored on some of her jumps and spins and I’d agree with you (the last FCSp2 as well as the solo 3Lz should probably have gotten negative GOE) but again - you‘d have to lower her GOE by about 10 points for Liza to beat her. And I don‘t see why she should have beaten Anna in PCS either. She doesn‘t have better skating skills, loses quite a bit on transitions and I don‘t think her performance or interpretation were better than Anna‘s either, though that‘s certainly more of a subjective matter.

Now, Sasha is another story when it comes to PCS and I probably would have given her 61 instead of the 66 she received. But other than that, she wins on BV, like she tends to do. And Liza didn‘t show anything extraordinarily difficult to beat that.

So, yeah, even if you leave Liza‘s score exactly the same and subtract about 7-8 points from Sasha and Anna‘s in areas they were overscored, it doesn‘t change a thing. They beat Liza by more than 10 points and frankly, if you lower their scores by that much, hers needs to be lowered as well since it’s not like she wasn‘t overscored herself. And for the record, I‘m neither a particularly Sasha nor Anna fan (like I am of Aliona, which makes me prone to being biased), though I admit to preferring both of them over her.

Personally, I think it‘s silly to deny the judging favors Liza is receiving right now. Yes, she is significantly older than the other competitors and deserving of a lot of respect for staying around but being older shouldn‘t be reflected in PCS. I have nothing against her beating Aliona here as she was better. It‘s the difference I heavily disagree with because it just doesn‘t reflect what was shown on the ice. And by the way, I defended Liza when she was severely underscored in the earlier Russian competitions last year. But I‘ll also say something now that the opposite is happening.
It was a mistake on my part. Should have said the SP. I went back and corrected it. Anna deserved her gold medal and i applauded her then and now for that.

But if Liza doesn’t get a call, I won’t cry over that either. I don’t complain about any scores. I accept them wholeheartedly.

I’m seeing a pattern where if someone doesn’t agree with tne judges, the judges are corrupt, incompetent, giving out favors, blind, bribed, a combination of the above or all of the above.

You know what I don‘t see? The person criticizing the judges admitting that the judges know more than them and they are the ones that got the scoring wrong and not the judges. If fans knew more than the judges, then they would be asked to judge.

But it’s easier to castigate the judge rather than seeing the deficiencies of the skaters that lead them to them getting a worse score than someone else.

PCS, and words like artistry are all opinion. And I’ll value the officials opinions way more than people whose favorites might have been overrated by them and whose favorites just flat out aren’t as good as they think.

Happens in sports all the time when a team finishes 20 points behind the champions but that team was still “better.”

In skating, someone gets blown out but they are somehow still better because they lost in a “jumping contest.” I can go on and on.

When Liza is inevitably on the other side of the fence where she doesn’t get the judgement call, I’ll accept the decision too. A world top 5 skater is being scored like a top 5 skater. It’s hardly a scandal.

People just need to start taking defeat with grace. Liza could bomb tonight or be overtaken by a better skate. And I’ll be here to congratulate anyone that does.
 
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For example. Look at these 6-7 seconds of continuous beauty flowing from one moment to another. Satoko will never be able to do it so elegantly, so calmly. As a result - surprise - she is not available this powerful presentation tool. And she shouldn't and doesn't get high PСS.

That's how it works.
 
If Beijing Olympics athletes aren't vaccinated, they'll be in quarantine for 21 days
Most countries around the world require people arriving abroad to be vaccinated or choose quarantine. A negative COVID test on arrival wont suffice. So why should athletes get special treatment just because they're going to the olympics.
Was it that way with the recent Tokyo summer Olympics? Or is there a China thing? Just curious.

I think the Russian lady figure skaters will have plenty of time at and after Europeans to get vaccinated if they want to. Otherwise they would have to go to Beijing more than 3 weeks early and nobody's going to do that.
But I also think it's nonsense that some countries won't accept the Russian vaccine.
 
Was it that way with the recent Tokyo summer Olympics? Or is there a China thing? Just curious.

I think the Russian lady figure skaters will have plenty of time at and after Europeans to get vaccinated if they want to. Otherwise they would have to go to Beijing more than 3 weeks early and nobody's going to do that.
But I also think it's nonsense that some countries won't accept the Russian vaccine.
Japan’s rules were much more lenient than China’s. It is really just a Chinese thing.
 
For example. Look at these 6-7 seconds of continuous beauty flowing from one moment to another. Satoko will never be able to do it so elegantly, so calmly. As a result - surprise - she is not available this powerful presentation tool. And she shouldn't and doesn't get high PСS.

That's how it works.
And yet Liza’s PCS in her SCI program is higher than Daria’s in her SkAm program, even though Daria’s is much better. I would argue Kamila is also overscored and her and Daria both deserved Liza’s SP PCS with Daria edging out Kamila while Liza deserved less. I’d put Sasha maybe .1 over Aliona, Miyahara next to Aliona, and Liza beneath all of them.
 
very true. You make a very interesting point.
It would be ridiculous to have a 21 day quarantine and quite nervy. Just as it's quite preposterous that some countries don't recognize the Russian vaccine When it's certainly no worse and quite possibly better than what the rest of the world is taken.

Where the underage girls the parents are gonna be playing a big role. Come nationals when two 15 year olds are very possibly going to be on the Olympic team their parents are gonna have to make a decision make a decision when they go to Europeans do they get the vaccine at the end of that competition in January? If the European city has pfizer or moderna? What would be recognized by the IOC?
As far as I know any athlete that was there at the Olympic games, every trainer every one who was there had to either be vaccinated or also quarantined before if they had a medical or regligious exempt .thats at least how i heard it in the summer ( correct me please if i am wrong ). But for example in the horse riding scene here in Germany they quarantined inaachen together and then flew to Tokyo but I think they were all vaccinated too. But Beijing is not Tokyo so their are also other rules
 
very true. You make a very interesting point.
It would be ridiculous to have a 21 day quarantine and quite nervy. Just as it's quite preposterous that some countries don't recognize the Russian vaccine When it's certainly no worse and quite possibly better than what the rest of the world is taken.

Where the underage girls the parents are gonna be playing a big role. Come nationals when two 15 year olds are very possibly going to be on the Olympic team their parents are gonna have to make a decision make a decision when they go to Europeans do they get the vaccine at the end of that competition in January? If the European city has pfizer or moderna? What would be recognized by the IOC?
Problem is if they take moderna or pfizer they need to have a second shot around 3 to4 weeks (in the summer it was still 6 weeks here in germany) after the first one. And I doubt they stay that long in the country that hosts the Europeans.
 
I watched the ladies in an elevated state of mind last night, so I enjoyed everyone much more than usual 😉
I have never been a Kamila fan but she showed much more emotion last night than she ever has, and that made me actually enjoy her and root for her. The dress is better in red, tho still not pretty.
Aliona on the other hand looked like a million bucks in her dress. The first half of the program was snoozy but I enjoyed the cutesy moments of the choreography when she did that little skip after the combo, and pretended to tip her hat by the step sequence. She looked more invested in the character than I was expecting, but she needed way more of those moments I think for it to have felt like a full program. I'm sooo glad she landed the 3A though.
 
As far as I know any athlete that was there at the Olympic games, every trainer every one who was there had to either be vaccinated or also quarantined before if they had a medical or regligious exempt .thats at least how i heard it in the summer ( correct me please if i am wrong ). But for example in the horse riding scene here in Germany they quarantined inaachen together and then flew to Tokyo but I think they were all vaccinated too. But Beijing is not Tokyo so their are also other rules
Thanks for the info I guess it makes sense even though nothing makes sense anymore.

Hopefully for the underage girls the parents will help their children make their right decisions based on what they and the doctors know.
 
Problem is if they take moderna or pfizer they need to have a second shot around 3 to4 weeks (in the summer it was still 6 weeks here in germany) after the first one. And I doubt they stay that long in the country that hosts the Europeans.
That's a very good point about the vaccines and have to wait 3 or 4 weeks for the 2nd shot. Maybe they can get some of it in Russia for their athletes?

Maybe they can get J and J even if it's not as efficient. I cannot believe we are in these times.
 
Japan’s rules were much more lenient than China’s. It is really just a Chinese thing.
I've got some things to say about China but I won't. I will just focus on the Chinese figure skaters and all the rest of the Figure skaters.
That's all I can do and hope this Olympic season goes smoothly.
 
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