2021 Worlds: Ladies' Short Program

[gliese]

Supposing USA could send a skater to Nebelhorn to solidify a third spot... and not counting chickens before hatched, because this competition has a long way to go... the skater they send could NOT be Karen or Bradie... is that correct?

Correct. Likely Mariah because they seem to not like Amber.

 

[labgoat]

So very happy for Karen. She skated freely and tried as hard as she can to clean up her jumps under pressure. Inspiring choice of music.

 

[randomfan]

I was about to bring this up while people seem quite busy discussing the top finishers. I was there at SA 2018 and I still remember how much the audiences loved her Song for the Little Sparrow. Just feels like yesterday. I was so fortunate to watch probably one of her best programs live when she was in her top form and it's beyond depressing to see the train-wreck today.

Ahhh, I loved that Skate America performance. Meanwhile I watched her live for the first (and only so far) time at 2018 GPF, which was her worst competition of that season

 

[readernick]

Great comparison. Except their Lutz edges are nothing alike.

This is really getting funny.

Are you Anna's mom? If so, I forgive you for everything and can only tell you that you should continue to think your daughter is perfect in every way! If not, I don't know what to say .....

 

[Shayuki]

Toe-pick‘s not even in the ice but nice try. Also never said her lutz should be e all the time, mostly it‘s a pretty obvious !.

Anyway. Agree to disagree.

Toe pick is on the ice.

https://i.imgur.com/9UwAbVy.png

How about here?

https://i.imgur.com/fkEVgEU.png

Another. This one could be called flat. Not inside. I still think it's ever so slightly outside, though.

 

[Tolstoj]

I'm sorry but i find hard to believe judges gave +5 to a steps sequence with this, and 9.50 skating skills.

 

[Seven Sisters]

It is such a shame. I enjoyed Mae's carnivale? Program in the bright yellow dress

That program was fabulous. As is she. I hope we have not seen the last of Mae Berenice. The sport will be much less interesting without her.

 

[chasingneverland]

There's a lot of talk about "powerful Feds" having an influence on the outcome of international competitions. As a lover of the sport who doesn't follow the politics of figure skating, could someone (I'm sure there are many of you!) explain why a powerful Fed is able to sway all judges who are not part of that particular Fed? So are you implying that there's money involved somewhere, and that shady dealings happen backstage? How does a powerful Fed influence the result?

Judges vote in blocks often. Russia as the former soviet union also tends to still have the former soviet union countries judging with them. The US and Canada tend to too. Also there is a lot of you judge my skater favourably in this discipline and we'll judge your skater favourably in this one. Then there is also figure skaters with coaches from different feds, etc. Also Lakernik is VP of the ISU - the highest ranked official.

 

[readernick]

I'm sorry but i find hard to believe judges gave +5 to a steps sequence with this, and 9.50 skating skills.

I mean good for Anna, I guess. She seems like a really nice girl She struggles a lot during Stepseqs, it happened a lot last year too... But someone is going to be the judges favorite and Anna has gained that title.

 

[silveruskate]

Kihira's transitions aren't on the same level as Shcherbakova's. What was her transition to the 3A, anyway? What was her Lutz entry, anyway?

By "those categories" we have just skating skills, I see. So 1 out of 5 categories?

I doubt transitions means *just* transitions between jumps. A whole factor and 10 points for that would be scandalous.

 

[gliese]

Toe pick is on the ice.

https://i.imgur.com/9UwAbVy.png

How about here?

https://i.imgur.com/fkEVgEU.png

Another. This one could be called flat. Not inside.

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Lutz? You mean loop?

 

[readernick]

Judges vote in blocks often. Russia as the former soviet union also tends to still have the former soviet union countries judging with them. The US and Canada tend to too. Also there is a lot of you judge my skater favourably in this discipline and we'll judge your skater favourably in this one. Then there is also figure skaters with coaches from different feds, etc. Also Lakernik is VP of the ISU - the highest ranked official.

Just one thing.. Canada usually doesn't support the US very much. They tend to be rivals in ice dance and men's. However, block judging does still happen and I will have to look at the judging panel but my guess is that there were a lot of European judges on it this time.

 

[Fluture]

Toe pick is on the ice.

https://i.imgur.com/9UwAbVy.png

How about here?

Not e for sure, ! or clean. But..

The year‘s 2021. This picture is from a performance in late 2018. If you want a serious discussion, maybe talk about how her lutz has looked recently?! As we saw from Trusova, edges can fluctuate. She never had an edge problem on the flip last year, she does now. Even Medvedeva, whose lutz was always quite bad, had performances/seasons where the edge looked closer to ! than e. Compare Worlds 2016 to Olympics 2018, it‘s an insane difference. So, even if Anna has landed clean lutzes before does NOT mean she doesn‘t have a pretty obvious problem on that jump, ESPECIALLY in recent years.

So, honestly, you‘re reaching for strawmans trying to defend Anna which she really doesn‘t need. She could (and would) win even if her edges and skating skills were judged correctly because she has a ton of other strengths.

 

[gliese]

I doubt transitions means *just* transitions between jumps. A whole factor and 10 points for that would be scandalous.

Every judge I've talked one on one with would agree with you.

 

[ancientpeas]

Guys.. try to keep your remarks less personal. You can disagree without arguing.

 

[chasingneverland]

They are not intended to, and SHOULD NOT be reputation scores. One important PCS component is skating skills. And as several posters pointed out, Shcherbakova has some of the weakest skating skills in this competition -- weaker than Paganini's, who did not even advance to the free skate. No way she should be receiving more than 6.5 in SS. She also has the weakest jumping technique among the qualifiers (barring perhaps only Satoko), with excessive prerotation, barely 2 revolutions in the air, low height, small displacement on the ice. She should be getting max +1 GOE on most jumps, and her flutz should receive an "e" call and negative GOE (instead she got +3 and +4). It's a travesty that she got 9.29 in PCS, and the step sequence during which she stumbled received +4 and +5 GOE. She has not improved unfortunately; if anything, she has regressed or at best stagnated.

Prerotation isn't subject to review. The 3Lz is at worst a !, and even Jackie said it could go either way. Also remember SS are one of how many components?? Sasha's SS's also aren't amazing. And Sasha got the 3rd highest PCS here.

 

[jenaj]

Thank you, rollberblade, for taking the time to give us the update! Not the news I (or anyone) wanted to hear. I wish her a speedy recovery.

So sad for Mae! She was obviously in so much pain. I also wish her a complete and speedy recovery.

 

[Ziotic]

Just one thing.. Canada usually doesn't support the US very much. They tend to be rivals in ice dance and men's. However, block judging does still happen and I will have to look at the judging panel but my guess is that there were a lot of European judges on it this time.

Entirely European

 

[Autumn Leaves]

Anna literally messed up her stsq...

And she received level 3 for the mistake, so she was penalized.

 

[chasingneverland]

This one is more subjective, but I don't even see the so-called "artistry" her stans credit her with. Flailing arms, bland and boring skating. Maria Sotskova #2.

I think Maria and Anna are completely different skaters..

Also, for your username you certainly deal in subjectivity a lot..