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The ladies came fired up on Saturday afternoon.

What a SP shootout that turned out to be. Punching and counterpunching.

Top 3 separated by 2 points, with 3 different coaches. Can’t ask for anymore than that.

And what can you say about Liza that hasn’t already been said? She is a competitor, with a capital C. She saw the lay of the land and it’s obvious she has worked hard to keep up with the new world order, both in and out of the rink. Did you see how fit she looked?
 
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Won the gold medal at the Olympics and the world championship against Sasha, and unlike Sasha, who has already moved on, some fans can not get over it.
Wow she made a mistake... and? Other skaters have never made a mistake? What has she done for you to hate her so much?
I can’t stop laughing. Anna ended up winning that competition in France.

And if we are doing comparisons, anyone want to post Trusova’s SP at last season’s world championships?

Look, I have nothing against Trusova, and as unreasonable as some of her fans are (and that isn’t Trusova’s fault in any way), she is an athlete and a half and one of the pioneers in this sport. But she has never been able to consistently put it together in competition.

And I can easily prove I have nothing against Trusova: I am as big a Liza fan as there is, and when Liza was beaten fair and square for the Olympic spot, even if it ended up being the result I didn’t like, I stood up front and center and defended Trusova. I went against my fellow Liza fans and I did so publicly and vociferously. And you’ll find not one post where I accuse the judges of corruption, or otherwise minimize Trusova’s achievement.

So when the tables are turned, I hope to get the same reaction. but usually I do not.

Anna was just better overall. It is what it is. Mentally stronger, more clutch, not a choker, rose to the big occasions and took on the big moments head on. Trusova was the champion of practice and test skates but always found a way to lose for the most part when it counted. I know the truth hurts, but the numbers don’t lie.

Trusova had the weapons on paper to compete and even win all her starts, but sports aren’t played on paper.

I see that I got suckered into this debate. My fault. We got to the point that we have turned this into a Trusova-Anna rivalry. And if you insist on calling it one, it ended up being one way traffic.

It’s a rivalry that is a figment of the imagination. Anna’s rival is the great Kamila.
 
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Level of top performances on Russian GP ladies' short in Moscow was insane. INSANE. :dbana:
One clean skate (Zinina) over 70 and three (Akatieva, Tuktamysheva, Muraviova) over 80 with triple axels and beautiful skating.
Previous stages and judging were pretty underwhelming, but this time the girls delivered BIG TIME! :bow::bow::bow:

All of four had visible FUN, skated with abandon, speed, poise, it was pure pleasure to watch. :points:
 
Level of top performances on Russian GP ladies' short in Moscow was insane. INSANE. :dbana:
One clean skate (Zinina) over 70 and three (Akatieva, Tuktamysheva, Muraviova) over 80 with triple axels and beautiful skating.
Previous stages and judging were pretty underwhelming, but this time the girls delivered BIG TIME! :bow::bow::bow:

All of four had visible FUN, skated with abandon, speed, poise, it was pure pleasure to watch. :points:
I think you need to add another insane there as well. It was that good.

Our knowledge of Russian skaters has not been the only thing increasing. So has our geography of the country. Ryazan Region, and Khanty-Mansi Autonomous Okrug-Yugra. How can you not love this competition?

I am going to be sad if this thing goes away.
 
The ladies did great today. I wasn't extremely excited about stage 3, but stage 4 was wow! Great job Sofia A, Sofia M, Liza, and Anastasia! No one disappointed and the skates were mostly clean (Mura had a little hiccup on 3A landing, but she fought to stay on her legs...great job!).

Very excited for the FP with the top 3 ladies being this close. With the seniors (Liza, Kami, Trusova) getting priority boost in PCS Sofia A will need a super clean skate with 3A, 4T's, and 4S's maybe to surpass a clean Liza with two 3A's for gold (the new seniors will not be getting higher PCS than the older senior favorites this season it seems based on Kami, Trusova, and now Liza).
 
I loved this Short program event. These three were spectacular with their landed triple axels.

Liza - This is the best shape I’ve ever seen from her. Her 3A was the best one. But, most importantly, that 3Lz 3T was the best combo jump I’ve seen from her ever. She looks fantastic. Also, she has been posting about landing the 4T with more than 50% success recently. I wonder if she will add one 4T. Her goal last year was just to be consistent, because it was an Olympic season. She mentioned that she was going to continue competing and would not retire till she lands a 4T in competition. So, I’m curious as to what she will do tmrw. Kind of scared in regards to her technical content, as she loves to leave points on the table. I’m rooting for her. She is the longevity queen and this is the best shape I’ve ever seen from her.

Akatieva - She is solid enough. I think she has what it takes to win. She just needs her 3A and 4T. Her and Adeliya have the most ultra-c elements this year. At 3 for the free skate. I’m kind of rooting for Elizaveta.

Muravieva - My favourite Russian lady alongside Yametova. I was so happy to see her stick her 3A. I just love her artistry and expression. That is why she is my favourite. I don’t get the feeling that her 3A is consistent enough. So, I just want her to skate as well enough tmrw, to solidly a podium spot.

Zinina - This girl is wonderful this season. She is more consistent. Will she go for two 4Ts? She failed them at her first event, where she won bronze. I like this girl.
 
the new seniors will not be getting higher PCS than the older senior
It's a little sad how easy people accepted PCS full nonsport factor dependence. And I remember times when people seriously argued about "deserved" or "undeserved" PCS in relation to SS, transitions etc., huh. Noone cares now anymore.. No wonder - what's the point anyway? Everybody knows unspoken rules and plays by them.
 
Watching the "normal" GP afterwards was like watching a different sport. Enjoyable but incomparable.
Maintaining an interest in ISU female skating at this point is purely about ideology. It’s a second division. Inferior product to the Russian federation’s whether competition, presentation, promotion, judging. The way Koreans are underscored makes me think there some kind of agenda against one race.
 
I can’t stop laughing. Anna ended up winning that competition in France.

And if we are doing comparisons, anyone want to post Trusova’s SP at last season’s world championships?

Look, I have nothing against Trusova, and as unreasonable as some of her fans are (and that isn’t Trusova’s fault in any way), she is an athlete and a half and one of the pioneers in this sport. But she has never been able to consistently put it together in competition.

And I can easily prove I have nothing against Trusova: I am as big a Liza fan as there is, and when Liza was beaten fair and square for the Olympic spot, even if it ended up being the result I didn’t like, I stood up front and center and defended Trusova. I went against my fellow Liza fans and I did so publicly and vociferously. And you’ll find not one post where I accuse the judges of corruption, or otherwise minimize Trusova’s achievement.

So when the tables are turned, I hope to get the same reaction. but usually I do not.

Anna was just better overall. It is what it is. Mentally stronger, more clutch, not a choker, rose to the big occasions and took on the big moments head on. Trusova was the champion of practice and test skates but always found a way to lose for the most part when it counted. I know the truth hurts, but the numbers don’t lie.

Trusova had the weapons on paper to compete and even win all her starts, but sports aren’t played on paper.

I see that I got suckered into this debate. My fault. We got to the point that we have turned this into a Trusova-Anna rivalry. And if you insist on calling it one, it ended up being one way traffic.

It’s a rivalry that is a figment of the imagination. Anna’s rival is the great Kamila.
Well, whenever you make lengthy statements and emphasize your non-opposition to Trusova, you seem to have hit a sore spot. Here it was probably the comment at the top of the video that you're trying to distract from, because it makes it clear that it's not about whether someone fell, but why(!) they fell. Haha.
But I agree with you on one point. It's a rivalry that's a pipe dream. Only Anna's rival is not the "great Kamila", but AZ. But in the contest of chatter she should have no trouble. Haha
 
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Well, whenever you make lengthy statements and emphasize your non-opposition to Trusova, you seem to have hit a sore spot. Here it was probably the comment at the top of the video that you're trying to distract from, because it makes it clear that it's not about whether someone fell, but why(!) they fell. Haha.
But I agree with you on one point. It's a rivalry that's a pipe dream. Only Anna's rival is not the "great Kamila", but AZ. But in the contest of chatter she should have no trouble. Haha
Have no idea where AZ fits in since she retired before Anna hit her peak. 2 different eras.

I’m not one whose posts contain hidden messages. If I had a problem with anyone, I would flat out say it. You are so blinded by fandom that you consider facts to be opposition. You conveniently ignore the praise I heaped on her too.

If you want an echo chamber, then go to the fan fest. Our job isn‘t to be sycophants.

Over here, you belittle Anna’s accomplishments and you will continuously be reminded that she is better than your favorite.

This is a sport, and we make sporting comparisons and rankings. Luckily, they keep scores which helps end most debates.

And there, I kept this one shorter. Can’t help it if my crazy mind runs a million miles an hour. The people reading all of it might be even crazier. Haha
 
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Have no idea where AZ fits in since she retired before Anna hit her peak. 2 different eras.

I’m not one whose posts contain hidden messages. If I had a problem with anyone, I would flat out say it. You are so blinded by fandom that you consider facts to be opposition. You conveniently ignore the praise I heaped on her too.

If you want an echo chamber, then go to the fan fest. Our job isn‘t to be sycophants.

Over here, you belittle Anna’s accomplishments and you will continuously be reminded that she is better than your favorite.

This is a sport, and we make sporting comparisons and rankings. Luckily, they keep scores which helps end most debates.

And there, I kept this one shorter. Can’t help it if my crazy mind runs a million miles an hour. The people reading all of it might be even crazier. Haha
Conversely, a shoe is made of it. I keep reminding you here that Anna is NOT better. At least when we talk about sports and not about pseudo skating skills and pseudo art. Haha. Besides, I don't expect you to agree with me. What makes you think that? I represent my opinion. If you don't like that, go to the Fan Fest. Hihi
 
Conversely, a shoe is made of it. I keep reminding you here that Anna is NOT better. At least when we talk about sports and not about pseudo skating skills and pseudo art. Haha. Besides, I don't expect you to agree with me. What makes you think that? I represent my opinion. If you don't like that, go to the Fan Fest. Hihi
We are talking about sports. Results are the only tiebreaker. That’s why they score it and rank skaters. Otherwise it’s an exhibition and there is no competition or skin in the game.

It doesn’t matter what anyone thinks of Anna‘s skating or anyone else’s. Call her the worst skater in the world, call her skating whatever you want. I want to see the official numbers, and the official placements. This is a results oriented business.

Maybe I added to the confusion by not defining what “better” is. My better is based on results. That’s it.

3x consecutive national champion, world champion, Olympic champion, and Trusova was in all these competitions with her. So how is Anna not better? Of the 2, whose results would you rather have? Of course, Trusova can go on a tear and in a few years the answer can be different.

For instance, had Kamila won the Olympic gold, I would have put her above Anna, no question.

You are telling me the equivalent of a football club finishing in 4th place in the table, 30 points behind, yet they are somehow the real champions.

If you don’t care about results and just want to watch skating, that’s fine. There are plenty of ice shows going on. And those are a nice change of pace and put smiles on people’s faces. But competition is a different beast.
 
You are telling me the equivalent of a football club finishing in 4th place in the table, 30 points behind, yet they are somehow the real champions.
I'm telling you, it's like a football game where the referee blows the whistle for a certain team and that team wins the trophy at the end. And because they won the cup, they are the best team. Haha
 
I'm telling you, it's like a football game where the referee blows the whistle for a certain team and that team wins the trophy at the end. And because they won the cup, they are the best team. Haha
And mistakes in refereeing do happen. But when the same team beats the opponent every single time for 3 years, it’s time to stop blaming the referee.

When you fall 4 times on 7 jumps, it’s hard for the referee to give you a decision in any case.

Again. You offer no proof of judging malfeasance, except just repeating it so often hoping it becomes the truth. Being a good sport at losing is part of being a good winner.

When Trusova was left a shattered mess after the Olympics, even she didn‘t blame the officials.
 
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