I again disagree with you. If you have that amount of height and that amount of distance in the jumps, it is logically harder to control them on the landing. So, you are starting with much higher risk - higher mark and with the deduction for the mistake you can still be in plus. If touchdown must be judged with negative GOE, everybody will jump like Satoko Myahara to avoid it.
"Weak landing" is -1 to -3 (IMO it was at least a -2 on landing, given it was a nosedive and form break, and lack of flow).
Height/distance is one GOE bullet. A bullet that is immediately negated by the touch down, mind you.
It is effortless, there is steps/entry, and element matched the music, so it is +4 to begin with, with deduction it is +2 (or +1). It is also a rule in judging GOE that you're taking into account the whole picture, rather than sum of its parts, so extreme height, extreme distance, extreme speed in a spin etc are changing the whole picture. I mean you can give it 0, or -1 or whatever else you want, but obviously system will take your score as a mistake and not count it in the overall score.
No it is not effortless throughout the element. She literally touches down her hand to support herself on the landing. How can that be considered "effortless"?!!?
Like i already wrote, it is still effortless because her touch down didn't stop the element, there is still flow/skating into another elements after it. And it certainly looked good in the air. The touch down happened only for one simple reason - because element included too much height and too much distance (comparing to the majority of other non-Russian teams throw jumps we saw) which is just much harder to control on the landing, but there was nothing wrong in the ongoing process of the element. And we can chat about the same thing again and again, but as you saw no any ISU judge would judge that element with a negative GOE.
Ah okay, so air position is 5 (was looking at the wrong list). So yeah, then with max GOE should be +1 at the very best, if you consider it to match the music -- which I agree that it didn't. And there was definitely no difficulty leading into this throw. It was a simple set up and cross cuts - no difficult turn, mini-lift, spread eagle, transition. They just went straight into it with a typical pairs setup.
That is not what effortless means. Effortless means you completed something without any issues/trouble/awkwardness/difficulty/etc. A hand down (supporting yourself by touching the ice) literally negates any suggestion that something is effortless.
I didn’t realise that Eurosport were not showing the full championship. After you reply I checked my virgin box and there is no Men’s short recordedI’ll catch it on the ISU feed on YouTube. I set the series link from the Pairs and never thought about it, dissapointing they are not broadcasting the ladies short
Thanks again.
That is exactly my point - your example shows the same type of a jumping process, just without the hand down. If that jump got +4 and +5, this one will get +1 and +2. Or you can find Aljona's or Sui's landings with the equal 'mistake' to see which marks they got, the same like T/M here.
I'm confused as to why they didn't end up with negative GOE in the step sequence. Although it was at the end of the SS, the SS wasn't finished so to me there should be at least -1.5 on the SS in addition to the mandatory -1 for the fall and yet that didn't happen. Can anyone explain?
This brings me back to the DeBeers diamond commercial in the 1990s. I really can't think of anything else when I hear this music.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4s1c1DBAds
We made a few jokes about the diamond commercial when we played it, too, since that would have been 2001 to 2002ish.
Well, at least the skaters from The Netherlands really skated disastrously today (I was so sad for them), so this particular issue has not come up!
Who knows. Unlike some people here I don't think some judges were biased only to Russians, I would think it should earn negative GOE as well.
