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Well deserved win for Daniel!Italian GOLD then... congrats Daniel
Well deserved win for Daniel!Italian GOLD then... congrats Daniel
He doesn’t take his skating seriously enough. Needs a stricter coachwhy. does. this. happen. for him????
I was thinking after Roman Sadovsky's gorgeous SP yesterday that he puts me in mind of how I (and so many others) felt about Tarasova and Morozov until last year. Their skating, technique, everything was so pristine that it elevated their programs ... but they couldn't seem to put two programs together.
Roman is sort of like that. There's nothing more beautiful than his skating. The purity of it is exquisite ... plus he's got the artistry, the ability to touch the emotions of the spectators, the musical sensitivity. I keep hoping.
Hmmm... how do you know? Could be lots of reasons...He doesn’t take his skating seriously enough. Needs a stricter coach
If he wants to move up. More off ice training.
He doesn’t take his skating seriously enough. Needs a stricter coach
If he wants to move up. More off ice training.
Indeed, based on what he said in the video, training was going very well leading up to this competition.How do you know that? What specifically do you think is lacking in his off ice training? Why would an elite athlete need a "stricter" coach?
that is rarely an issue for skaters at Roman's level, but I don't know Roman's training situation.
Indeed, based on what he said in the video, training was going very well leading up to this competition.
Most of us who follow Roman understand it's a psychological issue rather than physical (case in point: his short programme was great). He gets nervous under pressure - the opposite of 'not taking it seriously enough'.
All of this is true.
On the other hand, there's really not much point in continuing along the same path that is yielding these types of competitive efforts. It's not like this is a one off.
He has to change something - coaching, sports psychologist, environment.... or he (and we) shouldn't expect anything different.
Of course, his comfort zone in the current situation may be more important to him than competitive results. And that's a perfectly reasonable stance. It's about choices, and these are his to make.
I think most observers are very frustrated by Romsky's talent and his results. But we have no idea if it's related to his "comfort zone", and certainly not from failure to work or train to his limits (related to the other post). From what I can see, Roman pushes himself, tries different elements, goes to the limit.
Maybe he needs *more* of a comfort zone, not less. From my personal experience, pushing yourself too hard is just as harmful as not pushing yourself enough. Changing for the sake of change is just as bad as not changing. But that's just my experience, which is meaningless for anyone else.
Whatever he needs, I hope he finds it.
Jumping off, I am also troubled about Tomoki's seemingly diminishing results. Whatever he needs, I hope he finds too.
Whatever he needs to improve his consistency, he's not getting it and he hasn't been getting it for years.
That's not being judgmental; that is objectively clear from his results.
Raw talent and wasted potential.
And I'm in complete agreement regarding Tomoki, in whom I confess I've lost interest.
US Men need a healthy Torgeshev to return.
Performance anxiety can take a long time to get over... and it is with more and more experience, that Roman and others will get better.
It is difficult because it is with competing that one will gain experience, and with experience, comes confidence to compete.
So, Roman is doing exactly what he needs to be doing. Competing. Sometimes he does better ... sometimes not.
Winning the short program was probably not something he expected or at least, used to.... but that is a new experience acquired... not doing well in the free after feeling this pressure, that's relatively new for him. Next event, he will know that 1) he can win the SP at a GP. 2) there is still a lot of work to do to have a successful competition.
In my field, we sometimes say that stage anxiety will go away after 100 performances haha... For figure skaters, especially Canadians since 2020, there haven't been many opportunities to perform. That's probably why some coaches impose so many run-throughs on their skaters... to try replicating the experience in performance.
I wish Skate Canada built a new culture of sending out its skaters more often. I feel that they are thinking mostly about one aspect of performance anxiety : readiness ... When a performer is not ready, there is very little chance they will manage anxiety.. how could they, knowing that they are not ready to compete... This can happen early in the season or after an injury break.. .or with newer elements...or with younger skaters... Skate Canada tends to protect the skaters to minimize the dangers of a bad performance.. But that's only one part of it, and that's easier to control as it is only related to the performer.... (something that a skater can control)... What cannot be controlled by the performer is the context/ environment... (for instance, fans being loud, must place well event to qualify for Olympics, other competitors doing so well, the ranking after the SP, the ice quality, the judges). The performance anxiety related to the outside factors can take much longer to solve... some never find a consistent solution... (Josée Chouinard, one of my favourites... never found her comfort zone until turning pro). It is with the experience to trust and rely on their training (that's why we hear this sentence so often... it's just true) that skaters will be able to replicate what they do in training. But, if the fed is over-protecting the athletes... to deal with the first factor linked to performance anxiety, they do not help enough with the second factor...
The issue with mastering performance anxiety is that the learning curve is extremely variable from individual to individual... and it's never something one can take for granted. I hope Roman will find his comfort zone.
The experience is certainly different. Hopefully, he learns from both events. One thing to keep in mind when looking to minimize performance anxiety is not to look at placement and results but focus on what one can control, as well as focus on work and evolution. Thinking about results is one of the biggest enemies.A final look overall shows that his two GPs felt and developed totally different but in fact placement- and score-wise they are suprisingly not so different. That's the sport we all love
Of course! I don't want him to do it, I just did because I looked up something else.The experience is certainly different. Hopefully, he learns from both events. One thing to keep in mind when looking to minimize performance anxiety is not to look at placement and results but focus on what one can control, as well as focus on work and evolution. Thinking about results is one of the biggest enemies.
sounds like you are about to write fan fiction about themOf course! I don't want him to do it, I just did because I looked up something else.
But that point is important. I think it's something Deniss did from SCI to MKJWT.
I feel they could benefit so much from each other. They are both tall, strong on PCS, work on a consistent 4S and plan 4T and have their (similar?) downs and (similar?) difficulties. Not to mention age and long term plans.
I was so disappointed for Roman. I kept saying, "Fight , fight for it!" But he just had another meltdown on the jumping passes. A lot of guys made mistakes here. Daniel had a fall on a quad too, but he didn't let it affect his other jumps. Plus, Daniel often receives overly high GOE on wild looking jumps, especially on take-off and in the air.He doesn’t take his skating seriously enough. Needs a stricter coach
If he wants to move up. More off ice training.
Sometimes for skaters who are inconsistent, it's about battling back from injuries and resulting loss of confidence and momentum. Often, bad habits in performance can begin to set in. Then it becomes about motivation and lack of sufficient quantity of opportunities to try and turn things around.Hiwatashi and Annis need some sort of a get together… rehub… snow from Chen’s boots… I understand cactus concept, but those two are particularly frustrating.
Roman trained at the Toronto Cricket Club in the 2016-17 season before coming back to Wainman. It doesn't appear as training with Orser was what he needed/wanted. I doubt he would switch coaches at this point...but if he did, I'd suggest he tries out training far away from home. Just for some new experiences... sometimes that helps resetting patterns, and can be helpful for people with performance anxiety.I would suggest that Roman speak to some past Canadian champions. Seek some mental focus advice from Tracy Wilson, Brian Orser, and Ravi Walia. Plus check out Paul Wylie's revealing presentation on YouTube, where he discusses overcoming performance nerves and his 10-year career mental challenges to nearly win Olympic gold in 1992.