2023-2024 Russian Nationals Jumping Championships
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I never competed with Nathan Chen. I guess we will never know who was better.
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Do you have a video from the competition where you perform FS and do 6 quads and 2 trixels? If you do, there's more to come! Hope lives to the last.
ExactlyI hope Taliban dress code officers will get few months ban for spoiling thread of such amazing event.
When I first got on the computer this morning the pairs event had just finished and I have just watched it. It was pleasant and I guess can be a nice warm-up(and in fact resembled a pairs warm-up), but there's problems that prevent it as being as exciting as the single events.
1. Pair skaters have to take care of their muscle memory to a greater extent than single skaters. This is going to restrict how adventurous they will want to be. Maybe they would be more adventurous if this was after the main part of the season. I may have missed it, but I don't remember seeing anyone doing any side-by-side jumps that are more difficult than they normally do.
2. The pairs often didn't use all their time and frequently wouldn't retry an element they messed up. This kind of kills the excitement of having a timer.
3. Increasing difficulty in a way that's notable to the audience(i.e, quad twist and throws) is not rewarded enough and in fact hurt the teams that attempted them here. Personally, I completely agree with those points being lower as it's not worth encouraging people getting hurt but I could see them Worlds or perhaps events like this(though... I don't think it's worth it)
4. We see rare combinations in the singles jump contests because of a combination of rules. IJS doesn't give extra value to jumps if they're done towards the end of a combination, IJS restricts how often a jump can be repeated, and the number of jump passes are such that it doesn't make a lot of sense putting more difficult individual jump elements togethers. There really isn't a similar dynamic in pairs.
Outside of the sporadic quad elements, the pairs event lacks any sort of novelty that isn't also found in a regular competition. And thus, the event doesn't really justify it's own existence. Here's a quote from the winners: "We tried to do our usual elements that are in the programs. We didn’t do anything new for ourselves, the ligaments were just like in training. We did what we could."
What can be done to add a little novelty to a pairs jump event without resorting to quad throws/twists. Here's a couple ideas and a comment
1. Just because they're pairs skaters, does that necessarily mean that they should only be doing pair elements in a jump contests? I personally would like to see the pair skaters doing jumps individually just to see what kind of jumps they are comfortable doing under a tight window. They could be doing their individual jump at the same time away from each other to save time.
2. Increase the number of required throws or side-by-side jumps in a way that really forces them to push their limits. Perhaps have one segment be a 3 throw jump segment and another segment be a 3 side-by-side jump segment. That would force them to do at least one thing different in each of those segments.
3. I would really think about not doing twist lifts in a jump contest. The problem with twists lifts if that they're too consistent of an element, when something mildly goes wrong it's not obvious(what percent of the audience understood immediately that the quad twists would be marked so low), and when something really goes wrong it's usually way jarring that a simple fall on a jump.
I would find it interesting to see single skaters compete in teams of two. I could see one segment be something like two side by side jumps and then each does a jump individually. They would have to weight the strengths and weaknesses of each other and access the risks they would be taking. This would require a lot of thinking up front and in the moment.
1. Pair skaters have to take care of their muscle memory to a greater extent than single skaters. This is going to restrict how adventurous they will want to be. Maybe they would be more adventurous if this was after the main part of the season. I may have missed it, but I don't remember seeing anyone doing any side-by-side jumps that are more difficult than they normally do.
2. The pairs often didn't use all their time and frequently wouldn't retry an element they messed up. This kind of kills the excitement of having a timer.
3. Increasing difficulty in a way that's notable to the audience(i.e, quad twist and throws) is not rewarded enough and in fact hurt the teams that attempted them here. Personally, I completely agree with those points being lower as it's not worth encouraging people getting hurt but I could see them Worlds or perhaps events like this(though... I don't think it's worth it)
4. We see rare combinations in the singles jump contests because of a combination of rules. IJS doesn't give extra value to jumps if they're done towards the end of a combination, IJS restricts how often a jump can be repeated, and the number of jump passes are such that it doesn't make a lot of sense putting more difficult individual jump elements togethers. There really isn't a similar dynamic in pairs.
Outside of the sporadic quad elements, the pairs event lacks any sort of novelty that isn't also found in a regular competition. And thus, the event doesn't really justify it's own existence. Here's a quote from the winners: "We tried to do our usual elements that are in the programs. We didn’t do anything new for ourselves, the ligaments were just like in training. We did what we could."
What can be done to add a little novelty to a pairs jump event without resorting to quad throws/twists. Here's a couple ideas and a comment
1. Just because they're pairs skaters, does that necessarily mean that they should only be doing pair elements in a jump contests? I personally would like to see the pair skaters doing jumps individually just to see what kind of jumps they are comfortable doing under a tight window. They could be doing their individual jump at the same time away from each other to save time.
2. Increase the number of required throws or side-by-side jumps in a way that really forces them to push their limits. Perhaps have one segment be a 3 throw jump segment and another segment be a 3 side-by-side jump segment. That would force them to do at least one thing different in each of those segments.
3. I would really think about not doing twist lifts in a jump contest. The problem with twists lifts if that they're too consistent of an element, when something mildly goes wrong it's not obvious(what percent of the audience understood immediately that the quad twists would be marked so low), and when something really goes wrong it's usually way jarring that a simple fall on a jump.
I would find it interesting to see single skaters compete in teams of two. I could see one segment be something like two side by side jumps and then each does a jump individually. They would have to weight the strengths and weaknesses of each other and access the risks they would be taking. This would require a lot of thinking up front and in the moment.
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Yesterday was the individual tournament. Today is the team tournament. Perhaps this idea will be easier to realize in the team tournament.
In fact, it would be quite interesting to see how the doubles teams get out of their comfort zone. So far, nothing but four-turn elements have been invented.
Performing difficult jumps individually by each team member is not a bad idea, but I think there's something missing, a spirit of pairing or something. After all, we are used to seeing the team as a single unit. What can they try here, I don't know... pair jumps or cascades that they don't perform in the program?
I would love to see a parallel triple axel by Alyona and Gosha, for example. Alyona has recently recovered her jump, and Georgiy, I think, has not completely forgotten how to jump triple axels either. It's not something that could become their everyday content, but for a special occasion it's just right.
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How tall is Galliamov?
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187 cm
This is not a lot for a male pair skater. There are some taller single skaters.
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Like who? I thought the tallest male singles skater who had any success was like 186.
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I think Galliamov chose Petrosian so surely because she said she always competes for red team
Or Bazyluk just isnt here?
Or Bazyluk just isnt here?
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Very few singles skaters are taller than 187 cm, and those really are exceptions.
I'd say 187 cm is slightly taller than average for a pairs man, most of them seem to be in the 182-185 cm range.
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Aha, found this thread on another site from a year ago, where someone went through the available heights in ISU bios, and there the average for the pairs men was about 180 cm.
Obviously, the ISU bios aren't always accurate or up to date and some of the younger pairs men could "drag down" the average a bit, but that's still a cool stat.
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