2023-24 Russian Women's Figure Skating

[Mathematician]

but something does kinda jump out to me as the reason if she really left.

whats that?

 

[Mariiiiskate]

whats that?

Could she and Mark have broken up? it would explain her departure if everything else was to her liking.

 

[Mathematician]

Could she and Mark have broken up? it would explain her departure if everything else was to her liking.

I'm not into the relationship drama stuff, but, considering they're still working together with Plushenko I can't imagine thats the case.

 

[AlexBreeze]

Comments on where btw?

Telegram Channel

 

[Jumping_Bean]

and Trusova only was able to make it to 17 at the Olympics because of her extreme diet which she talked about in that cooking show

I heard of Anna's extreme dieting during the Olympic season which she talked about on a Cooking Show, but not Sasha's Probably just overheard it, because I don't remember her really talking much about her diet at all - Could you maybe give me a brief rundown on what exactly she said or point me to the right spot in the video?

 

[Mathematician]

I heard of Anna's extreme dieting during the Olympic season which she talked about on a Cooking Show, but not Sasha's Probably just overheard it, because I don't remember her really talking much about her diet at all - Could you maybe give me a brief rundown on what exactly she said or point me to the right spot in the video?

All Eteri girls have to diet strictly and keep their weight under control; they get weighed regularly in season and are punished (like, skating their programs a few times or something - not anything crazy) if they push weight too hard. Zhenya and Zagitova also spoke about this, it was one of them who mentioned Eteri would always have to know their location so they dont sneak out for food or anything, lol.

However, I think in that specific interview Sasha refused to talk about weight and diet much, although she was asked about it. I cant recall Sasha ever explicitly mentioning any problems with dieting in general - whether or not she was on the "same level" of dieting (whatever that means) as Anna is unclear; but she was definitely pushing herself as judging by how quickly she gained weight post season.

Overall, I think the "extreme" part of their dieting is overplayed; all athletes make hard sacrifices like this at the highest level. But, thats just my opinion.

 

[JimR]

Team Sokolovskaya also deletes all comments about Sasha.

Maybe they gave Sasha an ultimatum and told her she needs to commit to the upcoming season if she wants to continue with them.

Last season was a circus pulling out of the Russian championship at the last moment (I don't think she ever had any intention of competing), claiming to have a high temperature then the next morning sitting with the national team for breakfast. When she did skate at the GP stages she had no conditioning at all. No coach in the world would tolerate any of this for one year.

I think she has been a big distraction to Mark he wasn't terrible but went backwards slightly.

 

[JimR]

Good reply. I see now you were speaking more about the positive long term potential for Kamila as compared to her peers, with which I fully agree and I am greatly happy about.

But I'd still appreciate if you could elaborate a bit more on what makes Zhillina a phenom "we've never seen before" in spite of Trusova's existence. I'll say: I agree that Zhillina shows potential to possibly become the most impressive ever jumper, but I think thats a pretty broad statement that applies not only to her. Has she really already proven to be that one and only phenom? Even in spite of Trusova's revolutionary record breaking and how far she set herself past her generation in the discipline of jumping?

Also, what do you think of Muravieva? You didn't seem to mention her as a contender for nationals medaling. I definitely understand she doesnt seem to be the biggest point farmer, but shes become one of my favourite skaters and I think she isnt any tier lower than Eteri girls. Not to mention the anti-Plushenko judging bias we saw in Russia last season. It also seems like Muravieva has already passed the "wall" girls normally hit and maintined (actually improved) her form. After the Russian ban I can totally see her career still hitting highs internationally.

As a side note I'll also add that somehow I'm convinced in the longevity of Petrosian - but not so much Akateva, for some reason.

Muravieva could be a perennial contender under new age rules if she has a stable triple axel.

 

[JimR]

All Eteri girls have to diet strictly and keep their weight under control; they get weighed regularly in season and are punished (like, skating their programs a few times or something - not anything crazy) if they push weight too hard. Zhenya and Zagitova also spoke about this, it was one of them who mentioned Eteri would always have to know their location so they dont sneak out for food or anything, lol.

However, I think in that specific interview Sasha refused to talk about weight and diet much, although she was asked about it. I cant recall Sasha ever explicitly mentioning any problems with dieting in general - whether or not she was on the "same level" of dieting (whatever that means) as Anna is unclear; but she was definitely pushing herself as judging by how quickly she gained weight post season.

Overall, I think the "extreme" part of their dieting is overplayed; all athletes make hard sacrifices like this at the highest level. But, thats just my opinion.

I thought Sasha said she only ate in the morning leading up to the Olympics.

 

[Mathematician]

Muravieva could be a perennial contender under new age rules if she has a stable triple axel.

Her 3A always looks so confident in warm ups and training, then during the program something often goes wrong. I know that feeling - probably nerves. I really hope she gets over that hurdle.

 

[Mathematician]

I thought Sasha said she only ate in the morning leading up to the Olympics.

You're probably right, but I don't see that as particularly crazy. Kind of like a typical weight cut lots of athletes would do.

 

[Green Carrots]

If Sasha is really going to leave Sokolovskaya because she broke up with Mark, that probably means she doesn't care about her career so much anymore. She's about to make another emotional decision. I personally don't like Sokolovskaya but everyone in her group was nice to Sasha and they took care about her. Even with rejoining the AoP her chances to continue skating are quite low and of course it's sad.

 

[Mathematician]

that probably means she doesn't care about her career so much anymore.

I thought this was relatively obvious at this point, honestly. Well, competitively at least.

 

[katymay]

At the same age (10 years old), Sasha definitely did not have spins that were far beyond the spin in the first video (see here - More travel (though both did travel, obviously) and notably slower once she reached the (hyperextended) Biellman compared to Nika) and to be very honest, her spins were always just decent. She did the best with her natural data, but she's not a spinner and never has been.

Sasha had great spins, when she was younger. I think she just stopped working on them, or was allowed to stop working on them. She was always so fixated on the jumps, the rest took a back seat. As far as Nika-I think she is one of the, if not the, most gifted athlete to ever figure skate. Her performance ability needs work, as well as consistency-but she was born with once in a lifetime ability-powerful legs, great flexibility, and was gifted with the perfect body type to make the most of her athletic abilities. Sometimes though with Nika I wonder if she should have gone into gymnastics instead-I think there too she would have been one of the best in the world, and she would have had an easier path to the Olympics.

 

[Amei]

Shcherbakova on participating this season, pretty frank answer that she's torn on the decision of what to do

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[JimR]

Shcherbakova on participating this season, pretty frank answer that she's torn on the decision of what to do

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Does she have programs prepared for the new season? The other Eteri girls have shown snippets. It's been 18 months since she competed I think she made her decision long ago.

 

[Mariott]

Daria Sadkova will not participate in the junior test skate and plans to participate in the adult test skate.
She is probably moving up to adult.

 

[Amei]

Does she have programs prepared for the new season? The other Eteri girls have shown snippets. It's been 18 months since she competed I think she made her decision long ago.

No idea on status of any programs, programs are often done at summer camp that she couldn't fully attend because she fell ill. But she learned her Olympic short program in a couple days so she can learn programs fairly quickly and technically she could reuse her SP that she used for Budapest Trophy and GP Italy (even if a a placeholder) so all they would have to do is a FS. It's 1 month to senior test skates and 2 months till the fist Russian GP event. So completely doable to get her a program if she does want to compete. In China someone filmed her practicing a 3F+2T+2Lo, her layout would have to be different if she doesn't have quads.

Don't get me wrong I think both Trusova and Shcherbakova have little desire to compete especially when its mini- nationals for every competition.

 

[JimR]

Daria Sadkova will not participate in the junior test skate and plans to participate in the adult test skate.
She is probably moving up to adult.

I wonder what the motivation is for Eteri to do this? Maybe Akatieva is taking longer to recover, maybe there's some uncertainty with what happens to someone post September (I can't mention it).

Sadkova does not seem ready to me.

 

[Kittosuni]

Sadkova does not seem ready to me.

Not ready in terms of what?

Her demure seems like she is always second guessing herself but element wise she can compete in seniors.

After being sidelined with injury last year, she is now fully back including her 4T.

Consistency and confidence have been her issue but there is no other way to actually solve this unless she competes.