Sakamoto quite lucky to be in the lead by 5 points. 75 a big, big score. Got lucky with a not clear edge call rather than a wrong edge call. It was an inside blade not flat.
The lutz landing looked on the quarter as well.
Then blade assistance on the flip (1). As well as big underrotation(2).
Followed by the 3T also underrotated(3). None of it called and in fact 2s and 3s from the judges despite both jumps being well short.
Kim unlucky I thought not to be close or ahead of Kaori. The flip was a marginally flat edge but after everything else I saw the judges ignore they find fault with Kim for that. Kaori gets the same call for an actual inside edge on a lutz. This is just a marginally flat edge at worst for Kim. Kim had the more interesting program and she's more expressive too (that's just opinion is all it is not factual like the landings).
Something needs to be done because it's two weeks in a row now that the judges have been asleep and it's massively affecting results. It's completely unfair. It kills my enthusiasm for the sport. What should be a wonderful sport is mere sports entertainment when what I see clearly with my eyes sitting at home is not reflected on the scorecard. Components will always be subjective to an extent, but the least they could do is judge the landings correctly.
Last week Levito's problems with her landings were completely overlooked in the short (and Hendrickx to an extent), then Hendickx in the free nearly underrotated every jump but it was all ignored by the judges.
I could go through the Canada short program I'd be posting for hours. I made notes.
What can we do to help the judges? Do they need better technology? Is it an education issue? We need to get this corrected.
We have to get this right because Sakamoto is aiming the be the best of the last 50-60 years by three-peating world titles this year. The stakes will be high.
Sorry to inform you, but skating is just as corrupt as ever. Look at the bright side. No one is going to think Kaori is the best of the last 50 years no matter what. LolThe judges need to be up to it.
Sakamoto quite lucky to be in the lead by 5 points. 75 a big, big score. Got lucky with a not clear edge call rather than a wrong edge call. It was an inside blade not flat.
The lutz landing looked on the quarter as well.
Then blade assistance on the flip (1). As well as big underrotation(2).
Followed by the 3T also underrotated(3). None of it called and in fact 2s and 3s from the judges despite both jumps being well short.
Kim unlucky I thought not to be close or ahead of Kaori. The flip was a marginally flat edge but after everything else I saw the judges ignore they find fault with Kim for that. Kaori gets the same call for an actual inside edge on a lutz. This is just a marginally flat edge at worst for Kim. Kim had the more interesting program and she's more expressive too (that's just opinion is all it is not factual like the landings).
Something needs to be done because it's two weeks in a row now that the judges have been asleep and it's massively affecting results. It's completely unfair. It kills my enthusiasm for the sport. What should be a wonderful sport is mere sports entertainment when what I see clearly with my eyes sitting at home is not reflected on the scorecard. Components will always be subjective to an extent, but the least they could do is judge the landings correctly.
Last week Levito's problems with her landings were completely overlooked in the short (and Hendrickx to an extent), then Hendickx in the free nearly underrotated every jump but it was all ignored by the judges.
I could go through the Canada short program I'd be posting for hours. I made notes.
What can we do to help the judges? Do they need better technology? Is it an education issue? We need to get this corrected.
We have to get this right because Sakamoto is aiming the be the best of the last 50-60 years by three-peating world titles this year. The stakes will be high. The judges need to be up to it.
There are threads to discuss Russian girls, but recently somewhere there was a triple axel performed underrotated and the judges missed it. It was a big story for the next week. It is always good to highlight these errors then the judging and sport will improve.yet I haven't seen you call out the judging of the Russian girls
I am very sorry when I am wrong here and apologize if that is so, but to me it looks like you just want to throw shade at the international top ladies
Oh you sweet summer child........There are threads to discuss Russian girls, but recently somewhere there was a triple axel performed underrotated and the judges missed it. It was a big story for the next week. It is always good to highlight these errors then the judging and sport will improve.
This is not up to the ISU, but down to domestic broadcasters purchasing exclusive rights to competitions in certain regions (like CBC in Canada, and Peacock in the USA). I understand it's annoying for viewers, but without this money, there would simply be no elite skating anymore. Money does not fall from trees, and there are a lot of things that have to be paid - From competition organisation, over the accommodation of officials (judges & tech panel), to prize money.Im glad the youtube replay for Skate Canada is blocked in my country (Canada)
A true wonder the ISU is. Splendid organization.
Edit: same issue with American VPN, can anyone help? Whats going on?
I mean I agree Kaori got some lenient technical calls but you can’t think Kaori deserved a lower SS mark than Chaeyeon. That’s just not honest. The favorite always gets overscored, it used to be the Russians who were radically overscored. Now they have new favorites . But, Kaori’s SS are amazing let’s be real.I gave Chaeyoun 9s for composition and skating skills, Kaori got 7.75 and 8.75
You have a really weird way of calling - 3Lz is definitely not on the quarter, though judges could apply a reduction in GOE for "Less than quarter missing (no sign)" just as the 3T is closer to q than <, though an < call would not be completely wrong either, it's right on the border - At least based on the screenshots you show here.Sakamoto quite lucky to be in the lead by 5 points. 75 a big, big score. Got lucky with a not clear edge call rather than a wrong edge call. It was an inside blade not flat.
The lutz landing looked on the quarter as well.
Then blade assistance on the flip (1). As well as big underrotation(2).
Followed by the 3T also underrotated(3). None of it called and in fact 2s and 3s from the judges despite both jumps being well short.
Kim unlucky I thought not to be close or ahead of Kaori. The flip was a marginally flat edge but after everything else I saw the judges ignore they find fault with Kim for that. Kaori gets the same call for an actual inside edge on a lutz. This is just a marginally flat edge at worst for Kim. Kim had the more interesting program and she's more expressive too (that's just opinion is all it is not factual like the landings).
Something needs to be done because it's two weeks in a row now that the judges have been asleep and it's massively affecting results. It's completely unfair. It kills my enthusiasm for the sport. What should be a wonderful sport is mere sports entertainment when what I see clearly with my eyes sitting at home is not reflected on the scorecard. Components will always be subjective to an extent, but the least they could do is judge the landings correctly.
Last week Levito's problems with her landings were completely overlooked in the short (and Hendrickx to an extent), then Hendickx in the free nearly underrotated every jump but it was all ignored by the judges.
I could go through the Canada short program I'd be posting for hours. I made notes.
What can we do to help the judges? Do they need better technology? Is it an education issue? We need to get this corrected.
We have to get this right because Sakamoto is aiming the be the best of the last 50-60 years by three-peating world titles this year. The stakes will be high. The judges need to be up to it.
The overscoring we're seeing right now seems particularly egregious because the top skaters basically have the same technical content, whereas some of the past skaters may have had a base value a whopping 30 points higher across two programs compared to the best of the rest in 4th. If you skate clean and have a base value significantly higher than the opposition, then it's natural there will be significant margins of victory.I mean I agree Kaori got some lenient technical calls but you can’t think Kaori deserved a lower SS mark than Chaeyeon. That’s just not honest. The favorite always gets overscored, it used to be the Russians who were radically overscored. Now they have new favorites . But, Kaori’s SS are amazing let’s be real.
It won't be resolved. The ISU has no intention of changing the system of rewarding favourites (which plenty of others have benefitted from, and others have suffered unfairly).I just hope it is resolved by worlds so Kaori can three-peat with no asterisk and take her place as the modern era GOAT.
The most objective way I personally can judge skating skills is by looking at who does the most footwork (rockers, counters, S-steps and brackets). Chaeyoun did slightly more so she gets a slightly higher score. I find speed, flow, knee bend etc. harder to objectively assess, in so I don't in my rescore. It's not a perfect system but it is honest to my abilities.I mean I agree Kaori got some lenient technical calls but you can’t think Kaori deserved a lower SS mark than Chaeyeon. That’s just not honest.
What?? What do you mean by best? Is this what people are thinking these days?Sakamoto is aiming the be the best of the last 50-60 years by three-peating world titles this year.
I don't think there is a best at the minute, every contender is... not a strong contender. But Kaori is one of the best and a joy to watch. And let's not jinx her this early before Worlds, ice is slippery...What?? What do you mean by best? Is this what people are thinking these days?
Is Kaori even the best skater right now?
Yea, I agree. The international scene is pretty level right now at the top. I'm not hating on her at all, I'm just confused what he meant by the best of the last 50-60 years...? Seems a little bit random.I don't think there is a best at the minute, every contender is... not a strong contender. But Kaori is one of the best and a joy to watch. And let's not jinx her this early before Worlds, ice is slippery...
The last women's skater who won three World Championship titles back-to-back is Peggy Fleming - from 1966 to 1968. Michelle Kwan, Katarina Witt and Mao Asada have won 3+ World Championships each, but not in subsequent yearsWhat?? What do you mean by best? Is this what people are thinking these days?
Three world titles in a row means complete dominance of her era. No-one else has achieved three in a row in decades. Sakamoto's technical content far superior than skaters 20-30 years ago too. #GOATamoto.Yea, I agree. The international scene is pretty level right now at the top. I'm not hating on her at all, I'm just confused what he meant by the best of the last 50-60 years...? Seems a little bit random.
I'm guessing he meant something more specific but had unfortunate wording.
What era? There is no era right now. What happened just a year ago at Olympics? You yourself said a Rus Grand Prix stage mops Skate America, meanwhile Yuna killed Russians for almost a decade and is effectively a 2x OGM. Also significantly more artistic and sophisticated. Sakamato has no emotional range, even her biggest fans admit this.Three world titles in a row means complete dominance of her era. No-one else has achieved three in a row in decades. Sakamoto's technical content far superior than skaters 20-30 years ago too. #GOATamoto.
Sorry, but beating the Russians in Yuna's era is definitely not what makes anyone (including her) a GOAT. Of the 6 WCh Yuna competed at, the highest placement for a Russian woman was 4th.In an era with no Russians. Sorry but it has to be said man. Meanwhile Yuna killed Russians for almost a decade and effectively a 2x OGM. Also significantly more artistic and deep. Sakamato has no emotional range, even her biggest fans admit this.