The best podium
Ruiter is such an anomaly. Jumps always look good individually, but they are similar to nagasu, who had a chronic pendency to complete a portion of the jump on the ice, typically Landing on the toe and completing a quarter to a half after landing. I remember in 2010 people were saying that she should have beaten rochette because to the untrained eye people didn't notice either the under rotations, or the much shallower edges.Impressed with Maddie indeed. She would have had a few more points if she didn't skate so early. I think Ruiter might be Canada's second bet hope and then Josee Chouinard's daughter Fiona - hopefully she will not have the difficulties her mom had mentally. Ruiter really is trying difficult stuff in the fs for example she goes for two triple lutzes and two triple flips. IN the end Kaori was in a class of her own love or hate her music selections. Kim and Rino were nice but not stellar. I expected or thought we might see Shin or Lindsey on the podium surprised they did so poorly for them. Good to see Starr compete after all her issues.
Rino was my favorite skater of the night. Feather light and graceful on the ice with the best edge work of anyone. Underscored.Rino got 2nd highest PCS after Kaori??
Judges for once I really love you
The calls for Lindsay were correct. But, I would say I thought the technical panel had two favorites here. Kaori who is World Champion and we know World Champions get favors. Calling Rino’s flat edge lutz and everyone’s flips and ignoring her obvious in real time flutz was a choice.
The second was Maddie who definitely got some home scoring favors too. Didn’t get her lutz called or her URs called in either SP or FS and should not be above Lindsay here given the SP. But, it is what it is and Maddie had a good FS. Good for her but I have some comments for the technical panel.
I'm waiting for Kaori to stop getting +3s and higher on an obvious flutz. People complained to the end of the world whenever it was a Russian, but Kaori and other favourites seem to not get called out as much by the fanbase.
Oh give over, the Russian girls got just as ridiculous passes and more blatantly hiked PCS grades, and their fans turned enough blind eyes to make a Lovecraft monster blink.I'm waiting for Kaori to stop getting +3s and higher on an obvious flutz. People complained to the end of the world whenever it was a Russian, but Kaori and other favourites seem to not get called out as much by the fanbase.
But nobody is defending Russian girls. Everyone knows they were overscored, and they got obliterated by it from fans everywhere for years. Everyone has something against everyone, let him point out the overscoring for Kaori and everyone else can point out the Russian issues. Nobody has a high horse in this situation, if its really so insignificant just let him post his analyses, or you can argue why hes wrong technically.Oh give over, the Russian girls got just as ridiculous passes and more blatantly hiked PCS grades, and their fans turned enough blind eyes to make a Lovecraft monster blink.
I've been on social media, mate, and I've been on this forum long enough to have seen the way their fans reacted before the whole current mess at a breath of doubt.But nobody is defending Russian girls. Everyone knows they were overscored, and they got obliterated by it from fans everywhere for years. Everyone has something against everyone, let him point out the overscoring for Kaori and everyone else can point out the Russian issues. Nobody has a high horse in this situation, if its really so insignificant just let him post his analyses, or you can argue why hes wrong technically.
And like I've said Skating91 constantly criticizes Russians, you just dont see it because he doesnt say anything about Russians in international threads, and basically no Russian fans want to either, but they keep getting baited into it and then ridiculed for it.
What stale wars? He just posted his analysis of a skate in question for this thread.I've been on social media, mate, and I've been on this forum long enough to have seen the way their fans reacted before the whole current mess at a breath of doubt.
As I said, give over. If he keeps it to the Russian threads, then others can too. This is not the thread to rehash those stale wars.
I was curious what past results were like because Loena got 69 last week for PCS in the Madonna routine. There was a lot of arm action and most people don't consider it her best work. Two years ago at the GP Italy she got PCS of 70.62. Both programs had just one 3-3 combo in them.Oh give over, the Russian girls got just as ridiculous passes and more blatantly hiked PCS grades, and their fans turned enough blind eyes to make a Lovecraft monster blink.
But nobody is defending Russian girls. Everyone knows they were overscored, and they got obliterated by it from fans everywhere for years. Everyone has something against everyone, let him point out the overscoring for Kaori and everyone else can point out the Russian issues. Nobody has a high horse in this situation, if its really so insignificant just let him post his analyses, or you can argue why hes wrong technically.
And like I've said Skating91 constantly criticizes Russians, you just dont see it because he doesnt say anything about Russians in international threads, and basically no Russian fans want to either, but they keep getting baited into it and then ridiculed for it.
I agree,Oh give over, the Russian girls got just as ridiculous passes and more blatantly hiked PCS grades, and their fans turned enough blind eyes to make a Lovecraft monster blink.
I apologise if you're talking about another poster, but I think it was my comment that started this rabbit hole, so I feel justified to defend myself.I have seen enough of their posts in the Russian section to know now how to take them. It's a constant "the international skaters are so bad, not even worth watching, our girls (I think they are an Eteri fan) would thrash them". If someone only seems to come to the "international threads" to post about missed or perceived missed calls, I call that dishonest. Why even come here if it's not worth watching?
I am also constantly critisizing, much more than people like, because, well, I'm just that person. I am not a very positive person per se, I like to critisize, partly because it's my character, partly because I seriously believe things will become better when you talk about it. But if it's just part of an agenda skaters like Sakamoto or Hendrickx should not be drawn into it.
Get over the scores and how a fan or we see them on Tv , in competition area, or wherever.
We don't see the way judged do.
U nitpick other skaters while propping up ur favorite.
I was vilified for doing it back and in the day
Madeline Schizas didreceive some props due to the upcoming World Championship in Canada this year.
How it affects scoring and placement I don't know.
The past skaters including medalist did admit after they retired they receive inflation due to championship in their country.
Even Olympic the country that has it expects a higher than normal medal count.
The issue is do they maintain the medal or scores when not in country. The answer is usually No.
Did they overllok Maddie underscore others probably.
It is the tech panel job not just judges and they give PCs according to how they see it
Isabeau was actually underscored
A person could make a case of Amber despite her mess ups should have still been on the podium.
Are you mad Maddie did not podium despite great skate?
Chaeyong did despite messy skate? Kaori too high score?
I gather u all lovedwatching them skate. They thrilled, awed , and surprise you.
Why bring them down over something petty because you thought someone should did better in scores or placement.
The skaters and teams worked hard give them the respect despite the finish.
It is hard but I gather u all enjoy it. Let's play to that enjoyment.
I apologise if you're talking about another poster, but I think it was my comment that started this rabbit hole, so I feel justified to defend myself.
In my case, I only come to the international threads when criticising missed calls and judge bias, simply because I don't watch Russian Domestic Competitions. I haven't watched Channel 1 Russia livestreams since the start of the war, and therefore I don't criticise skaters that I don't watch. I have no idea what's going on in Russian FS right now, so it would be highly inappropriate of me to start writing posts in Russian domestic events section of goldenskate. I can't remember even ever posting in Russian domestic thread (it could have been possible a while back if I was talking about Russian men before the olympics, particularly on Olympic spot allocation on run up to the olympics).
The fact is some people are so defensive about criticising non-russian athletes, that it does overlook unfair judging internationally. For me, at the olympics, if Wakaba was judged to all other standards she would have won the olympic short program, without a shadow of a doubt. And for me, that means ahead of the Russian girls and ahead of Kaori. Wakaba got an < and q!, both of which were insanely harsh calls given Kaori had a clear lutz edge violation, Sherbakova had a bad edge, Trusova got ridiculous PCS inflation, and Valievas jumps got excessive GOE. I have pointed out four skaters, with different issues, who didn't get penalised for those issues. Three of those were Russian, One of them was Kaori. But Wakaba, another Japanese skater, was heavily penalised for minor issues.
In this event, most of the calls were correctly given. Kaori, as wonderful as she is, benefitted from incorrect calls at this competition, and this is unfair to other athletes at this event. On a conversation about this event, people get mad because I pointed out a biased/unfair call. I'm not insulting Kaori as a person, or other attributes. I'm saying that she was held to different standards, and given high GOE for an obvious flutz.