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saine

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Aside from funding reasons that I have a possible feeling that it could be to see opportunities in Solo Ice Dance and he needs to sieze the opportunity as their possible pioneer Solo Ice Dancer for Canada.
Emmy Bronsard has the pioneer role given that she's the first Canadian international competitor in it, as well as the first Canadian international medalist.

If he does want to do Solo Ice Dance in Canada, the competitions right now are being provided by Skate Ontario. It doesn't look like anyone entered for July, so he may not be looking towards that.
 

4everchan

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So you mean those last minute comps? Tbh that I checked his bio that there are no records of those last challengers that you've mentioned even two seasons ago that he didn't made attempts to go there to get the need scores especially after 4cc at Colorado which he has some time left in the 2022-2023 season but he decided not to pursue to attend the remaining comps left which his mistake on his part.

So you're expecting the PHSU to exhaust all resources to send him to these comps is beyond me since my fed is in shambles when it's current president took over after the death of Josie Veguillas. It has limited resources from the county's 3 rinks and Edrian should be aware of it for the last 6 seasons or so thus he is responsible of his own growth. Don't expect my country to provide these resources for him since the PHSU president didn't have the political will power to convince the government or the sponsors to pour in money, even the local citizens are expecting the PHSU to support the National Team but in truth that it is limited.

If the Veguillas were unable to provide financial support to Michael Christian Martinez when he needed then in the case of Edrian and some extent Sofia that might experienced a similar circumstances.

Sometimes that Edrian is better off not switching to the Philippines in the first place if he is expecting financial support but little improvement on his part and I haven't heard of him on taking summer camp.
look, if that's the case, Edrian made the right choice to come back to represent Canada. He is looking for opportunities to compete... at least in Canada, he can do all the domestic events and if he reaches the scores benchmark, he will be given Challengers. Skating for a country with no real figure skating tradition is very difficult. He may has underestimated the challenges it would mean.

Finally, of course, there was no rush/need to try at the last minute challengers in previous years... but for worlds in Montreal, it was a different story in my opinion.
 

4everchan

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I also don't see Edrian doing solo dance at this point, considering he left ice dance a long time ago because he wanted to do singles skating. Solo dance should not be seen as a discipline for those who cannot do singles but at its entirely unique discipline. Some skaters, like Emmy, can obviously do it while they are partnerless. But in the end, I hope fans of the sport do not repeat with solo dance, what they used to say regarding ice dance "it's for those who cannot jump" when it's a completely different set of skills... Has anyone ever said : if you cannot do clean turns and smooth steps, maybe you should move to singles or pairs ? :) Sorry.. i guess i am irritable today but I wish people would give credit where it's due...
 

Marirue

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I also don't see Edrian doing solo dance at this point, considering he left ice dance a long time ago because he wanted to do singles skating. Solo dance should not be seen as a discipline for those who cannot do singles but at its entirely unique discipline. Some skaters, like Emmy, can obviously do it while they are partnerless. But in the end, I hope fans of the sport do not repeat with solo dance, what they used to say regarding ice dance "it's for those who cannot jump" when it's a completely different set of skills... Has anyone ever said : if you cannot do clean turns and smooth steps, maybe you should move to singles or pairs ? :) Sorry.. i guess i am irritable today but I wish people would give credit where it's due...
I get that his basic skating fundamentals are good if not better than certain number top skaters in the current circuit but it does not mean that he should be contented with it. I would not be content of it if I was the president of the PHSU and wiling to let go a good amount of local skaters and coaches to fund summer camps off season along with consulting with specialists or even forcing him to move to Edmonton if I needed to whether he likes it or not. I can bring him his sweetheart along with if he wants to.
look, if that's the case, Edrian made the right choice to come back to represent Canada. He is looking for opportunities to compete... at least in Canada, he can do all the domestic events and if he reaches the scores benchmark, he will be given Challengers. Skating for a country with no real figure skating tradition is very difficult. He may has underestimated the challenges it would mean.

Finally, of course, there was no rush/need to try at the last minute challengers in previous years... but for worlds in Montreal, it was a different story in my opinion.
If you said that there's no need to rush in the previous seasons is understandable if he has some certain difficult jumps either 3A or quad yet in reality that he doesn't have both yet you mentioned that the PHSU should've sent him there to gain the FS mins to get to Montreal Worlds last season in such a short notice is off since he has the time prior to the 2023-2024 season to make it to Worlds in general which he should've utilized the time back then.

I get it that Montreal Worlds had some sentimental value but it wasn't an excuse for Edrian not trying to make attempts for the mins or to get out his comfort zone to move out from his home province to improve tech content in previous seasons prior to the 2023-2024 season minus Covid lock downs.
 
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4everchan

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I get that his basic skating fundamentals are good if not better than certain number top skaters in the current circuit but it does not mean that he should be contented with it. I would not be content of it if I was the president of the PHSU and wiling to let go a good amount of local skaters and coaches to fund summer camps off season along with consulting with specialists or even forcing him to move to Edmonton if I needed to whether he likes it or not. I can bring him his sweetheart along with if he wants to.

If you said that there's no need to rush in the previous seasons is understandable if he has some certain difficult jumps either 3A or quad yet in reality that he doesn't have both yet you mentioned that the PHSU should've sent him there to gain the FS mins to get to Montreal Worlds last season in such a short notice is off since he has the time prior to the 2023-2024 season to make it to Worlds in general which he should've utilized the time back then.

I get it that Montreal Worlds had some sentimental value but it wasn't an excuse for Edrian not trying to make attempts for the mins or to get out his comfort zone to move out from his home province to improve tech content in previous seasons prior to the 2023-2024 season minus Covid lock downs.
No point going to Edmonton when you've gotten Yvan as a coach. He built better men skater from younger age than Ravi has done. I cannot even name one man Ravi has built from a young age who ended up reaching the highest level at Nationals (someone can correct me here). For Yvan : Jo Phan and Nic Nadeau, even young kids Anthony Paradis and Eddy Vasii are both National junior champions. Ravi is wonderful, don't hear me wrong but Edmonton is not ;) and for a Montreal born skater, able to perhaps stay at home, maybe it was not even an option consdering the $$. BTW, the conditions in Edmonton don't seem so fun, training in a mall... I am not even sure why you mentioned Edmonton as a solution.

Now, all of us can read Edrian's story the way we want to read it... to me, it would look like this :

Worlds were allotted to Montreal in 2020 in 2017. Edrian announced he would switch to represent the Philippines and competed at PHillipines Nationals in 2018, Probably, he hoped he had a chance to qualify which, back then, with Keegan, Nam and others, would have been a very long shot for him in Canada. He represented the Philippines at 4CC in 2020. Neither him nor Caluzza qualified for worlds. Covid hit. Edrian lost a lot of training. Not being part of team Canada, if he were indeed in Canada during the longest lockdown ever, for non-essential activities, (he wouldn't be considered as an elite athlete) he was shut down for the longest time with very limited ice access. It happened even to local Quebec skaters not at the level of the National team. So I can imagine he regressed a lot. He found Yvan, he started training again and things are indeed going well. He is almost at his best level now.. since what ? 2017 juniors ? If Worlds in Montreal didn't get canceled the first time, who knows what would have happened... but then they got postponed to 2024. After a good 1.5 years of very little skating, he may have thought, okay... i have a second chance.... the story of this year you know though we have different opinions on it ;)

But the reality is that it's been 6 years that he is hoping to skate a big event, at home, in front of his friends and family
. Do not underestimate that.... especially considering he is now 26. He tried his best. He did his best. It didn't work out.

At this point, worlds are a difficult thing to achieve for him. He didn't get last minute challengers, which may have been frustrating. He didn't qualify. He probably may not again. He certainly may have seen the opportunity to skate at Nationals in Canada, a tiny bridge across from his Home Club, the swan song he wanted to give himself, with the support of his homies.

It's not always about making it to worlds... sometimes, it is about skating at home in a big event. Canadian Nationals (except when they are in winter vortex Calgary) are a big event ! I went in 2017 in Ottawa, gosh it was exciting !

So you can all make whatever from the history of the events, but you know, I like my hypothesis ;) and I will stick with it.
 

Jumping_Bean

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Lake Placid Championships results page is up:

Novice Women: Emily Chaikin, Ava Kemp (?!, SP only)
Junior Women: Lucille Yang, Kara Yun, Megan Woodley, Chloe Desbiens, Reese Rose, Sara-Kim Begin (SP only)
Senior Women: Marie-Raphaele Savoie, Mia-Catherine Lussier, Maya Isabelle, Eugine Letourneau-Lanteigne (SP only), Sara-Kim Begin (FS only)

Novice Men: Jeffrey Chen, James Moskowitz (FS only)
Junior Men: David Shteyngart, Rui Qin, David Bondar
Senior Men: Bruce Waddell, Yohnatan Elizarov (?!, SP only), Alec Guinzbourg

Junior Pairs: Ava Kemp/Yohnatan Elizarov (SP only)
 

4everchan

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wow... if I can see Ava doing singles... Yoni ? interesting... I'd love to see this.
 

4everchan

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He placed 9th in Junior Men at Nationals in 2022. Here are his results for singles for tracking down performances.

Ava's singles results are here.
interesting.. so they took a year off from singles to focus on pairs after injuries... i like them so much as pair skaters, if skating singles SPs in a summer event helps them, all the better
 

FlossieH

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wow... if I can see Ava doing singles... Yoni ? interesting... I'd love to see this.
I think it would be a shame if they switched to singles. They have the potential to become a top pair at senior level. However, I think they would struggle to break into the upper echelons internationally as singles skaters.
 

saine

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I think it would be a shame if they switched to singles. They have the potential to become a top pair at senior level. However, I think they would struggle to break into the upper echelons internationally as singles skaters.
Now that I watched his performance at Nationals for Junior Men, I think if he did switch to concentrate on Singles the goal would be making Nationals. Which he could with the amount of men competing in Seniors, that would be achievable. But his jump content wouldn't be enough to make it out of Canada for Singles right now.

I don't think they're switching, more keeping up skills in a different discipline. I did like watching his performances, he is nice to watch.
 

FlossieH

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Now that I watched his performance at Nationals for Junior Men, I think if he did switch to concentrate on Singles the goal would be making Nationals. Which he could with the amount of men competing in Seniors, that would be achievable. But his jump content wouldn't be enough to make it out of Canada for Singles right now.

I don't think they're switching, more keeping up skills in a different discipline. I did like watching his performances, he is nice to watch.
Yes, he performs well and is a pleasing skater to watch. :) Spins were good. The problem was the jumps. To compete as a senior internationally he needs reliable triples, a 3-3 combination and ideally a 3A and at least one quad. That's quite a bit above the technical content of those 2022 programmes.
 

4everchan

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I think it would be a shame if they switched to singles. They have the potential to become a top pair at senior level. However, I think they would struggle to break into the upper echelons internationally as singles skaters.
Definitely... But I am sure they are keeping pairs as a priority...
 

el henry

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Is there a thread for this comp? I can’t seem to find any of the threads.

 

4everchan

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Is there a thread for this comp? I can’t seem to find any of the threads.
All of the threads for the summer competition (Canadian ones too!) have been posted in the forum section about 2024-25 competitions. You have to scroll down for it a bit ;)

The BC comp starts today.
 

Heather T

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All of the threads for the summer competition (Canadian ones too!) have been posted in the forum section about 2024-25 competitions. You have to scroll down for it a bit ;)

The BC comp starts today.
I search for 2024-25 and come up empty🤷🏻‍♀️
 
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