2024-25 Russian Women's Figure Skating

[Skating91]

Hahaha, I didnt know it was that bad!! You know more about the internationals than I do. I was blissfully ignorant on this state of affairs. The audacity for them to claim that we're over-scored!! Sakamoto over Kostornaia. Amazing!

Just skimmed Glenn's FS. Cant wait for that royalty free string sample program to get marked over Akateva's FS. They will continue claiming we are over scoring. This world is an inversion.

I follow the internationals, but not as closely as Russian women. I really admire and enjoy Sakamoto's skating, but outscoring Kostornaia by 3 points in PCS is incorrect, and the other top women like Hendrickx and Levito respectively equalling and getting within 2 points of Kostornaia's best PCS score does not feel correct. This is not a criticism of the skaters, but the officials.

In this world where a clean Levito is scoring 70 for PCS for a clean performance, Hendrickx is scoring 72 for a clean performance, (they missed a bunch of underrotated jumps in that Skate America performance but was clean according to the officials I have the screen caps from last year if anyone disagrees), then Akatieva and Petrosian are possibly being sold short by Russian officials. If they are clean with these programs I can't see how they can receive less than Sakamoto, who got PCS of 77 twice at Japanese tournaments last season. Where she received 77.22 for PCS, the program had a base value of 62 so 20 less than what Petrosian attempts, and this program had an unclear edge call and got a q (although they missed the wrong edge on the lutz of course instead giving 3's and 4's).

Again, not denigrating Sakamoto at all, but you see what kind of scores the Japanese fed and the ISU are handing out to skaters for programs with errors.

There needs to be a little push back in Russian skating and not tolerate it when people accuse skaters of being overscored because by ISU or Japanese fed standards they are being slightly underscored. I don't think anyone really has the right to say Akatieva or Petrosian is being overscored until their PCS is up around to 78 for a domestic comp. So I would like to see them getting 75 minimum this season for clean programs.

What is bizarre how Russian officials really punish Agaeva only giving her 62 or 63 PCS for a perfectly executed program, even the victimised Chaeyeon Kim in the international competitions doesn't get treated like that. Agaeva should be getting PCS similar to someone like Levito in my opinion, so up there around 70. Hopefully we see Agaeva not suffer further victimisation from the strict Russian judges this season.

 

[Skating91]

Even truly talented girls, like Akateva, for example, do not develop. Or rather, I think it is more correct to say that their talent is not developed by their coaches. Why should Tutberidze do hard work if there is an undeniable bonus of PCS points from the judges. Why spend money on a new program provider if Daniil can easily "create" another "masterpiece".

What bonus is this? Akatieva receives around 73-74 for PCS in the free, for a bad skate 69-70. Which is exactly what Hendrickx got for her disaster skate with a base value of 49 at World's this year. The Polish judge still gave her 74.77 PCS!

Akatieva had a disaster skate at one of the GP stages two years ago, but she still maintained a base value of 74.66. For that she received a PCS score of 70.08. Making errors in a program with a base value of 74 is one thing, to make as many errors in a program with a base value of 49 is quite another.

 

[Mathematician]

I follow the internationals, but not as closely as Russian women. I really admire and enjoy Sakamoto's skating, but outscoring Kostornaia by 3 points in PCS is incorrect, and the other top women like Hendrickx and Levito respectively equalling and getting within 2 points of Kostornaia's best PCS score does not feel correct. This is not a criticism of the skaters, but the officials.

In this world where a clean Levito is scoring 70 for PCS for a clean performance, Hendrickx is scoring 72 for a clean performance, (they missed a bunch of underrotated jumps in that Skate America performance but was clean according to the officials I have the screen caps from last year if anyone disagrees), then Akatieva and Petrosian are possibly being sold short by Russian officials. If they are clean with these programs I can't see how they can receive less than Sakamoto, who got PCS of 77 twice at Japanese tournaments last season. Where she received 77.22 for PCS, the program had a base value of 62 so 20 less than what Petrosian attempts, and this program had an unclear edge call and got a q (although they missed the wrong edge on the lutz of course instead giving 3's and 4's).

Again, not denigrating Sakamoto at all, but you see what kind of scores the Japanese fed and the ISU are handing out to skaters for programs with errors.

There needs to be a little push back in Russian skating and not tolerate it when people accuse skaters of being overscored because by ISU or Japanese fed standards they are being slightly underscored. I don't think anyone really has the right to say Akatieva or Petrosian is being overscored until their PCS is up around to 78 for a domestic comp. So I would like to see them getting 75 minimum this season for clean programs.

What is bizarre how Russian officials really punish Agaeva only giving her 62 or 63 PCS for a perfectly executed program, even the victimised Chaeyeon Kim in the international competitions doesn't get treated like that. Agaeva should be getting PCS similar to someone like Levito in my opinion, so up there around 70. Hopefully we see Agaeva not suffer further victimisation from the strict Russian judges this season.

I never considered that the top Russian girls could be underscored. Not understanding international standards I was always floored by the scores some of our top girls would get. I thought these scores were sky high and unseen outside of Russia. Judging by national score distribution alone and being completely objective and unbiased, I took it as a given even my favourite Eteri girls get some gifts in scoring.

I always give the opposing side massive benefit of the doubt. They always seem baffled by Russian scoring, so I simply assumed they were making a huge deal over a small inconsistency or understandable bias. I never considered they could be totally inverting reality and inventing things from nothing (why didn't I, I have no idea... I have a habit of being too generous with my assumptions about people I disagree with). Now it seems like they arent overscored at all! But its the other way around!! Seems like Eteri's girls are getting normal scores while the other Russians just experience egregious hammering. Meanwhile internationals are getting presents at every event! Amazing! I remember seeing some Levito and didn't mind her. Kaori sure can skate as well, her technique is better than most of our non-ultra-c girls but thematically she gives zero story or profound commentary in her programs. There are simply different levels of respect for this sport.

Everywhere you look in this world you find direct inversions of reality. Its unbelievable.

What bonus is this? Akatieva receives around 73-74 for PCS in the free, for a bad skate 69-70. Which is exactly what Hendrickx got for her disaster skate with a base value of 49 at World's this year. The Polish judge still gave her 74.77 PCS!

Akatieva had a disaster skate at one of the GP stages two years ago, but she still maintained a base value of 74.66. For that she received a PCS score of 70.08. Making errors in a program with a base value of 74 is one thing, to make as many errors in a program with a base value of 49 is quite another.

I wouldn't even interact with that guy. After sleeping on it I actually think hes just trolling or something. I dont know. I've met quite some people on the internet but I always doubt the authenticity of these types cause their ostensive/presented thinking is just in a different reality. Its hard to understand truly. So I usually assume trolling or its an AI.

 

[Mathematician]

 

[Mathematician]

 

[Mathematician]

And Solntsova again one of my new favourite juniors a few days ago.

Check the cantilever towards the end of the FS. So effective. She is gonna be amazing in short time.

 

[Remilia]

I was worried about Solntseva's jumps, but they've improved since last season

 

[Rebecca Moose]

Where is Tuktamysheva?

 

[Vemvane]

Where is Tuktamysheva?

In Sochi, I think, per her instagram.

 

[Mathematician]

Daniil Gleikhengauz about Akateva's ultra-c:

"We train them only with the harness about two or three times a week. She goes into both the Axel and the Toe Loop. As soon as Sonya herself says that she is ready to jump without the harness, then we’ll start. She is physically ready. But until you have confidence in your abilities so that there is no fear, it is dangerous for injuries. Doubts lead to hesitations and under-rotations. Such attempts are the most dangerous. Sonya promises to prepare properly and start trying in the near future. We are waiting."

 

[Skating91]

Hahaha, I didnt know it was that bad!! You know more about the internationals than I do. I was blissfully ignorant on this state of affairs. The audacity for them to claim that we're over-scored!! Sakamoto over Kostornaia. Amazing!

Just skimmed Glenn's FS. Cant wait for that royalty free string sample program to get marked over Akateva's FS. They will continue claiming we are over scoring. This world is an inversion.

Just to continue on about supposed overscoring in Russian skating. I will be watching this intently this season.

Looking at the Russian Junior championship last season Margarita and Alina are getting for PCS what Shimada is in international competitions. It will be interesting to see what they are getting this season because even girls like Petrova I would be putting ahead of the top international girls for PCS.

Shimada is now getting the scores Valieva was getting in 2020 when she was performing those iconic programs (she made them iconic), although not an apples for apples comparison Valieva was 13 and 9 months Shimada is 15 and 11 months. Valieva at 15 and 9 months was at the Olympics breaking her own world records.

I will show more clips I figured out how to do GIFs. I thought I was maybe imagining how good Valieva was as a junior but there is so much more complexity to all aspects of her program compared to Shimada but not much difference between PCS scores.

It is very interesting that this myth of Russian overscoring at domestic and international level persists.

Here is both going for a lutz combo. Valieva's skating just flows seamlessly from one element to the next, and much more complex, but PCS is so similar .

If Sakamoto is getting 77 for PCS, I really want to see Adelia getting equal. And I think Russian judges need to lift Agaeva she got 61 for PCS at the Russian championships these Russian judges are a joke. They're so strict.

 

[PavelSky]

Anna Dokukina reminds me Shcerbakova

 

[Mathematician]

Anna Dokukina reminds me Shcerbakova

I really see the similarity in the glide and toe-jump technique. A little in the ChSq as well. Shcherbakova had a more fierce temperament, but this girl is still very young so harder to judge those artistic aspects.

 

[AlexBreeze]

Sofia Zakharova posted on her social media that she isn't competing so far due to an injury.

 

[Azikin]

It is very interesting that this myth of Russian overscoring at domestic and international level persists.

Especially the myth about "Eteri bonus"... And Kamila is a Goddess.

 

[Mathematician]

A little bit of highlight from recent local tournaments

First of all I want us to appreciate Kulikova. Shes very clean. If I remember correctly she struggled with consistency last season despite looking really light when she was feeling it. Looking more confident now even if the season barely started:



I really recommend people at least check her StSq here. Its so enjoyable. The choreography and elements are refreshingly cohesive, very artistic. She manages the temperament perfectly. Expressive and sentimental when she needs to be yet otherwise calmly unpretentious and classy, but not boring. Her timing is impeccable and the knee slides are so effectively smooth which is a rarity even among our best skaters. Elegant program. The technique is not lacking either. Light and fast.

And of course its also worth posting for everyone to notice Bazyluk's amazing 5 ultra-c skate:



Check the 4-1-3 at 2:20. I dont imagine this sort of execution was planned. It seems she miscalculated the 4T exit deviating massively yet seamlessly continues into one of the smoothest and most beautiful combos I've seen. If this sudden directional swing was intentional then its perhaps equally impressive in its uniqueness and control. In either case she is even better than I realized. Absolutely unparalleled technical refinement. Only being 13 her artistry is not particularly weak either. She is not pulling tears from anyone yet but she gives me no worries. She improved from last season and is obviously having a lot of fun on the ice, so its not like she is artistically disengaged or talentless. She just needs time and maturity. She has potential to be as good as anyone in every way, easily. Her technique doesn't require any more analysis from me. Everything is clear. One of the most talented athletes I have seen. Unbelievable.

 

[AlexBreeze]

Agata Petrova appreciaton post

 

[Mathematician]

Agata Petrova appreciaton post

Yea, I really like her FS. I was going to mention it but didnt want to make multiple posts since forum only allows 2 media per post. Junior finals could easily turn out as event of the year. So many amazing skaters and programs this season.