2025 World Championships Women's Short Program
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I knew Amber was going to bomb when I saw her coming out of backstage looking like she was going to her execution. Absolute terror on her face.
These are calls made in slow motion with the aid of video. It's very simple stuff.
It was more than a quarter, therefore underrotated. I already provided the screen dumps proving it.The abuse of the word "obvious" is especially peculiar. This jump was "obviously" (in modern Internet lingo, "literally") 180 degrees under-rotated. No it wasn't. If the under-rotation were "obvious" there would be no need to rush apoplectic to the Internet to rant about how obvious it was or to present arguments about the level of obviousness.
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These performance was better than the ones from earlier in the season.
I am an honest person. This was not clear to me.
Wait, did you just say that the scores were fair but Wakaba's ranking based on those scores was unfair.?
To me, Higuchi's performance was sterling. In my opinion she has been short-changed on PCS her whole career.
Disagreeing with your rankings by a point or two does not equate to "stench of corruption." Maybe in the long program the judges will match your scoring better.
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Medals can be decided by a difference of 1 or 2 points, and less than, which is why biased judging can be so damning.
Earlier you stated that we should move on from discussing the results of the women’s SP, yet you just dissected and responded to my post, so you must want the debate to continue.
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II wish that one day some skaters, coaches, judges or other experts (skating experts that is, not experts at propoganda) would chime in on our discussions of jump rotations.
I am none of the above, but this is what I have observed over the years. Figure skating is all about turning on the ice. On a jump. especially a toe-loop or Salchow, the skater is turning on the approach, turning at take-off, keeps turning while airborne, and continues to turn during the landing and flow-out. For a triple this adds up to about 2.25 revolutions in the air (somewhat more for loops, flips and especially Lutzes), allowing up to 180 degrees of pre-rotation and up to 90 degrees short on the landing. That's just figure skating.
All our problems would be solved if we simply started calling such a jump a "deuce-and-a-quarter" (like the grand old old Buick 225 car from the 1970s) instead of a "triple." She did a deuce and a quarter Sal. Yes she did. Good for her. No arguments. Give her 4.3 points.
Eteri Tutberidze dominated ladies figure skating by developing a method for training young girls to do a trey-and-a-quarter. Good for her, Good for them.
As for amateurs superimposing rulers and compasses on slow-motion frames, well... let's just say that the results are not convincing.
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Doesn’t Georgia have to qualify their 1 spot through an athlete other than Gubanova though? I believe that’s how it works.
That's only if they're confirming a second spot. Since they aren't, it can be Gubanova.
I'm not sure about that. Her skaters always rotate their landings. Probably the best in the business.
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Gosh I wish we weren't so negative. Amber didn't BOMB. She fell on a 3A. She'll get it together. She's about 6 points off the podium, which is not at all insurmountable. I, for one, am not counting her out.
If she spent two days with a lead going into the free skate she'd be an even bigger nervous wreck than before the short. I think she will throw caution to the wind and have one of her best skates. She spend two days saying to herself I'm no good, what's the point, I give up, heck I may as well go out there and enjoy it it's a world championship who knows when I'll be back. She'll skate perfect.
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Who said anything s out a beauty pageant?
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Yeah, that's true. I find that the one thing I cannot force myself to do on this board is to follow my own advice.
Sorry for the over-reaction.
No Americans on the panel. Tech panel Canadian, Latvian and Finnish. Perhaps the program skated was different live. Perhaps your angle isn’t as good as the angle they have?
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"Beauty Pageant" is an unfortunate phrase, but I do think that it is interesting to look at the program components, especially choreography and presentation. In the short program everyone does pretty much the same technical content, so that's a wash if the skater goes clean, but kills a skater who makes costly technical mistakes.
In PCSs, the top four were Chiba, 34,10, Levito, 34.00, Liu, 33.78, and Higuchi, 32.39. The top three were within a few tenths of a point of being equally as beautiful as each other. Higuchi was unfortunate in that there were TWO judges who were not so enamored. One judge gave her 6.75 for composition and 7.00 for presentation. These scores were discarded in the trimming process, but they covered the other judge who gave her 7.00 and 7.25.
I couldn’t tell much by your screenshots. The don’t just look at the shot you see. The judges have access to all the feed. And NONE of the judges are American. You are unhappy with the call. That’s okay.
Someone above thread talked about Liu’s intricacies on the step sequence verses the speed of Wakaba. In figure skating, the judges will give the nod toward speed when the level of difficulty is equivalent. I’ve seen Liu’s skate live. It’s beautifully seamless. These judges seem to prefer that.
My personal opinion is there are two skaters who were gifted in their scores. One is the current World Champion and the other is the current Grand Prix Champion. I like both of them, but any other skater would have had lower scores.
They pre rotate their jumps. It’s been pointed out by many an armchair judge.
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Only one judge is ever American, the technical controller can be from any country, but it seems the decisions always seem to benefit one particular powerful fed
Even go back to junior World's we saw the technical panel and judges suddenly fall asleep for one particular skater while burying Wada
Just seems to keep happening over and over. Hey, there are coincidences in life I guess.
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180 degrees is allowed and this what they do. I see the 2T on a 3-2 combo get prerotated 270 degrees all the time. No-one really cares. Just people get upset about a 4T being 180 degrees prerotated
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