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2026 Olympics: Men's Short Program
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I feel like all the people going on about Cha's "robbery" (which I'm pointing out because it made newsweek) are really only considering him being placed behind Grassl. Which I find bs to be sure as well - but I still had him 6th. If anything, I thought Aymoz and Siao Him Fa were "held back".
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His provisional score was 97. 97 would have placed him 4th and he'd be in contention for bronze right now. No matter the 3Aq call, PCS dropping 3 points because of that is a bit much.
He had a clean quad sal, and the lutz-loop combination which is more difficult that the lutz-toe. His step sequence should have been level 4 too, if you're giving Grassl of all people level 4s.
While I loved Kevin's short, Junhwan did better.
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Egadze deserves better PCS. He has more musical sensitivity, more creativity in the movement, and more speed. Gummenik's program has nothing to say. Egadze's is haunting.
Why does 'provisional score' matter. I don't at all feel he should be in contention for bronze, nor do I feel he should be anywhere close to getting 100.
I just think Kevin is the much better performer and "artist".
And yeah he does Lutz-Loop - but it's not exactly going off a proper edge. Still more difficult than Lutz-Toe no doubt, but it's hardly that none of these things should be accruing. Miki Ando is the only one I recall doing proper technique 3Lz+3Lo - and hers were nearly always UR, because it's damn hard to get it around off a proper Lutz.
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I watched the venue feed. While I am glad to see the skating without NBC commentary, I don't understand all the commercial ads. Put them at the beginning, or during zamboni breaks. The cutting into warm-up group intros, and randomly cutting away from the end of performances for some skaters and not others is so frustrating. Plus, it takes too long to watch because of all the ads.
Judges were being conservative and managing scores quite a bit. Jun Hwan Cha was hosed. He skated brilliantly, and his score should have been 94+ or 95+. The judges, to me, were holding Jun's score down to make room for later skaters. They just need to score fairly. Some later top-rated skaters messed up, including Kao Miura, Sasha Selevko, Lukas Britschgi, and Shun Sato. Shun was held up a bit with his mistakes.
Daniel Grassl skated better than in the team event, but his landings and air positions were messy. How could they, in good faith and with decent eyesight, place Grassl ahead of Jun???!!! So, it ends up with Shaidorov, Jun, and Aymoz practically tied. Why?! Jun should be ahead of Grassl and Shaidorov with 94 to 95+ points. And, if they insist upon tying Aymoz and Shaidorov at 92+ with a difference of percentage points, I'd have Aymoz edging Shaidorov. I do not think Grassl's pcs should be at 40+, and Jun's pcs should be higher than 42+.
I understand why Yuma is ahead of Adam. Yuma is seen as a very special skater. So, when he makes a mistake, Yuma is not made to pay the way others are made to pay. Adam skated very clean, though, so I would give Adam a slight edge over Yuma in the sp. The judges did keep the scoring close between Yuma and Adam, as a result of Yuma's mistake. Had Yuma skated as clean as he did in the team event sp, I believe the judges would have given Yuma the edge over a clean Ilia, especially in the sp. In the fp, Ilia has a greater tech advantage with multiple quads, especially if he lands the quad axel.
Judges were being conservative and managing scores quite a bit. Jun Hwan Cha was hosed. He skated brilliantly, and his score should have been 94+ or 95+. The judges, to me, were holding Jun's score down to make room for later skaters. They just need to score fairly. Some later top-rated skaters messed up, including Kao Miura, Sasha Selevko, Lukas Britschgi, and Shun Sato. Shun was held up a bit with his mistakes.
Daniel Grassl skated better than in the team event, but his landings and air positions were messy. How could they, in good faith and with decent eyesight, place Grassl ahead of Jun???!!! So, it ends up with Shaidorov, Jun, and Aymoz practically tied. Why?! Jun should be ahead of Grassl and Shaidorov with 94 to 95+ points. And, if they insist upon tying Aymoz and Shaidorov at 92+ with a difference of percentage points, I'd have Aymoz edging Shaidorov. I do not think Grassl's pcs should be at 40+, and Jun's pcs should be higher than 42+.
I understand why Yuma is ahead of Adam. Yuma is seen as a very special skater. So, when he makes a mistake, Yuma is not made to pay the way others are made to pay. Adam skated very clean, though, so I would give Adam a slight edge over Yuma in the sp. The judges did keep the scoring close between Yuma and Adam, as a result of Yuma's mistake. Had Yuma skated as clean as he did in the team event sp, I believe the judges would have given Yuma the edge over a clean Ilia, especially in the sp. In the fp, Ilia has a greater tech advantage with multiple quads, especially if he lands the quad axel.
Excuse me?
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Omg so not true, egadze just goes straight all the time and the only time he bends his knees is in the church. Gummenik is obviously a better skater and if you dont see that you are delusional.
I'm gonna use this from now on.
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Same here
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If they were "his" brand and their feet were of similar shape, then yes, it is possible and happened a few times, but on rather low profile comps. Katia Kurakova had to withdraw from Warsaw Cup due to lost laugage. There is a reputable skating shop at the rink of the competition, that probably would fit her something, but she didn't decide on buying new skates and participating in them.
There are also videos of skaters switching boots during trainings and doing jumps or elements, but these are mostly a few minutes to do the shots, no one is running a program in switched boots. I spoke with tech that takes care of Michał Woźniak's boots, he said Michał needs about 2 weeks to get comfortable with his boots and is in constant pain during this period. I myself needed about 5 hours on ice to get comfortable with my new boots while they are nowhere near as stiff as there elite skaters use and during first hour I couldn't get proper edges (not that they are very good anyway). My boy is the strange one, he hopped form basic grafs to jackson elles like it was nothing and when asked if he feels difference, he was puzzled what I even mean.
Tonya saw another case, it was lace, not a boot and she pleaded to have time to change the lace because she had custom boots and changing laces took longer than with off the shelf boots.
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I agree. Her voice I still find annoying (I don't know why) but I appreciate how she goes into mechanics of a jump - always something to learn -and I am listening!
Simon, on other hand, I find very disappointing. I don't remember him being so negative before. For example, a skater steps out of a jump - Simon's comment - he is down! His voice conveys a major disappointment like HOW could he...
Some other commentator would say - he was fighting for his landing ?...
Another example: Commenting on Daniel Grasll - it was not a good season for him, 3rd in one GP , ONLY 5th in another, got to GP final and ONLY 4th there.
Excuse me? A lot of skaters would consider it a marvellous result
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I argued with my mom about Egadze during Euros. She liked him but she wasn't watching FS in years.
Gumennik is better, this praticular program did nothing to me, but I suspect it was his back up program due to music issues, right? I think he was scored rather fairly (which only shows how some other skaters are ovescored).
PS can I get license for the knees quote?
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This made my day!
In my opinion these two are as bad as each other but yes I will Gumennik an edge. Program wise, I think Egadze got decent programs this season masking somewhat his weaknesses (but only when jumps work) Not sure about Gumennik's I understand he had to change his SP music right before Oly it surely affected the performance so I reserve my judgment till FS. I think judges were very fair if not generous with him I expected a score in low 80s.
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A provision was made to allow AIN athletes from Russia and Belarus to compete in the Olympics even though they have been banned by the ISU from competing in internationals. You know, the whole being at war with Ukraine thing and all.
The skaters coached by Eteri are also lucky to compete here (heck Eteri herself is lucky to be there, and deserves boos every time she is on the large screen or even mentioned).
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I thought I was the only one that thought this!
I agree about Simon - he doesn't have the enthusiasm that Chris does, and he seems to have a negative slant on things.
I think Louise has a much better understanding of the life of a skater, and consequently more empathy. I like that she can also provide insight about performance skills, e.g. the importance of facial expression.
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I've been thinking (which might not be a good thing). Imagine Chris (on the regular ISU feed) not saying 'lovely knee bend' but 'I suspect he often goes to church' instead, or not saying 'he should have bended the knee a bit more in his landing' but 'he should have gone to church more often to practice his knee bends'. The possibilities are endless. Thank you @Paulipau. Your insight is priceless. Really great! And true.
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Again, Gumennik and his team took his Perfumer program and re-trained it in Milan in like 3 or 4 days with this soundtrack when they realized (too late, and it was their oversight) that Perfumer can't be cleared for Olympic more strict copyright. His back up program was Dune, and he couldn't clear that OST either. So, from what I gathered from the reports, he skates to another piece of the sound track from the same series as his FS (Waltz 1805). Obviously, this is not Aliev's waltz by any stretch of imagination, but it had to do. His costume was from Perfumer program. He is lucky to get as much as he got for presentation and composition. His skating and jumps were likely negatively impacted by lace coming loose during first combo. It's visible. Any other skater opening the first group, with no international appearances since 2022 and no major senior titles, would also receive lower marks than a reigning European champion.
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