Actually if he skates like at Autmn classic it will be more than enough for me at this stage, but with clean quad in short in 2nd half
Chan v. Hanyu: 2015-16
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Actually if he skates like at Autmn classic it will be more than enough for me at this stage, but with clean quad in short in 2nd half
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Well of course I don't expect him to skate two clean programs at this stageBut it would be good start with clean short and good FS with 2 out of 3 quads landed . Is it possible ? :think:
I really want him to have a clean short because I feel that not having a clean skate for the SP since last season will haunt him a bit.
Idk, I feel like Yuzuru will still struggle with his SP (since now his 4T is also giving him trouble) so Patrick will edge him there. But he'll close the gap in the FS, I want the results to be close like Max and Shoma at SA so it turns out exciting!
I think the 4T problems where mainly due to new entrances they put in programs leading to 4t, he just need some competition miles with it
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Right. Because I'm sure Jin isn't putting efforts towards improving his actual skating. :sarcasm:
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Just saying, I don't think that's trueA not bombing but not really clean DTen would/should have lost to a completely clean Shoma Uno. He wouldn't have needed to flat out bomb to not get the gold. The NHK field is a little further behind Yuzuru (although I don't think he'll win if he bombs), so that statement wasn't thaaaaat obvious
That sounds like Ice cream or something like that to me. I'm sure he's be happy with that!
It's even better, because I think I remember somebody from worlds 2015 said Yuzu smelled like lemons?
My point is, it's silly to say somebody will win unless they bomb. Everyone knows a clean TEn would have won Skate America just like a clean Hanyu will win any competition. But obviously when skaters bomb they won't win or medal except in circumstances like Chan at 2013 Worlds or Hanyu at 2014 CoC.
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Speaking of bath bombs, there is one by Lush called "Yuzu and Cocoa Bubbleroon".
https://www.lush.com.au/shop/product/product/id/1315/keyword/yuzu/yuzu-and-cocoa-bubbleroon
I think someone did mention he smelled like citrus and chocolate, so I imagine he would smell like this bath bomb
Yuzu (hah the flavour) is quite yummy actually.
One of the best cocktails I've ever had was at an izakaya where their special was: 3-4 oz fresh yuzu juice, 0.5 oz Jack Daniels, 0.5 oz Cointreau, 1.0 oz sake.
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Yuzu (hah the flavour) is quite yummy actually.
One of the best cocktails I've ever had was at an izakaya where their special was: 3-4 oz fresh yuzu juice, 0.5 oz Jack Daniels, 0.5 oz Cointreau, 1.0 oz sake.
It is very good, isn't it. I had some Yuzu cordial once as a sample in Isetan and when I inquired the price, my heart dropped because it was too expensive. I'd have to really ration it and keep it for special occasions if I were to buy a bottle
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No, that statement isn't silly.... there is a lot of room between 'clean' and 'bombing', like 'good' or 'solid'. Saying somebody will win unless he bombs means he's also going to win as long as he skates okay-ish, which is probably true for Hanyu in NHK. It would not necessarily have been true for DTen. It's not that important as it's only semantics, but I still think the original statement made sense.
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I am all ready (am I) for the revival of battle between Chan and Hanyu. Especially when Skate Canada marks the start of 2nd stage of Olympic cycle rivalry~ I mean none of the past Gold and Silver medalist have the continuation... this is a first! May the best skate win!
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^He needs to continue to work a LOT on actual skating. Happy?
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Better.
Although a bigger question: why do so many people always assume that a technically excelling skater isn't putting their best effort into improving their artistry?
It's not like an artistic skater like Brown is being told he needs to work a LOT on his quad, as though he isn't trying hard enough.
Brown's artistry is enough for now and his quad will come with time. So why can't technical prodigies get the vice versa treatment? :disapp:
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I think they do, moreso than Brown and other skaters without the 'big' jumps and good presentation. But they are each missing a certain part of their scoring potential to some degree.
I'm perfectly willing to wait for Brown to get his quad, but in the mean time, as we saw at Skate America, he'll get around 5-3rd place at the big competitions most of the time. Brown cannot get the TES points for the 4T without actually landing it in competition.
By the same token, Boyang should not be able to get high PCS without actually showing good SS, TR, CH/IN etc. in competition.
However, judges have been willing to push a talented jumpers' PCS up if they prove to be consistent in competition. For example, Kovtun, Vornov, Max Aaron. Are they trying to improve their PCS, absolutely, yes. But is it showing in their program? That is what is debatable.
I enjoy watching the strong jumpers very much, but they are rewarded by monstrous TES, as they should be. PCS should be for the components they relate to, which is not always dependent on what kind of jumps you have done.
That's why I think Boyang is a medal contender, because he has shown the ability to land his very difficult jumps in competition more than once. I also think the judges are going to give him extra points on PCS if he is consistent. Perhaps ISU should include consistency as an official PCS category, since it seems to something they all have in mind when scoring.
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While I agree with your point that nobody should assume skaters just aren't working hard enough, you're wrong about Brown. He's getting a lot of pressure to get that quad. Just look at the medalists interviews from last US nats.
And actually, even whole-package skaters get the usual nitpicks. People just like to complain sometimes.
So do you guys think Patrick will influence the PCS at TEB? I think he's going to skate in the first group, right? The SS and TR of others may pale in comparison, will the judging reflect the gap? Just wondering whether Patrick, ironically, will save that competition from the current tendency to inflate overall PCS.
I think (I'm not sure) that his results at SC will affect the group he starts in at TEB. I remember I read that Han didn't want to WD from COC after the collision because he didn't want to have to skate in the first group at TEB.
But I think that, even if he's in the first group, he'll get good PCS because his SS are outstanding. However, they may not be as good as they could if he skated in the second group. For example, Yuna didn't get high PCS at Worlds '13 in her SP, and I think it could be because she wasn't skating in the last group.
But if he makes a mistake and Shoma skates his FS like he has the last few competitions perhaps he could edge him (most likely based in TES more than PCS, IMO)
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What a great observation! Yes, I wouldn't be at all surprised in Chan only got "highish" PCSs in the SP, since the judges might be in a cautious "wait and see" mode about his current skills and preparation.
Then everyone else in the first group will have to suffer in comparison.
Then we will have to wait and see if the last few skaters can top him.
It might indeed turn out to be a case of Chan-de-flation.
Yuna's skating skills was never in a class of her own. Many ladies in the field at that time had PCS not that far from hers. Skaters like Carolina, Ashley Wagner, Akiko. And, Yuna's PCS will drop significantly when she makes a mistake. Just look at her scores in Worlds'10. I don't think Patrick will follow Yuna's example. He is known to have great PCS even with falls. And SC and TEB are like his first and second home. I don't think skating in the first group will have any effect on his PCS. I'm interested to see the PCS of skaters like Shoma at TEB, how his PCS will be compared to Patrick's (Also in COC how Elizaveta Tuktamysheva's PCS compared to Mao's).
But Liza is in SC and TEB...while Mao is in COC and NHK, guess we'll have to wait for the GPF for that one
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