Evgenia Medvedeva to train under Brian Orser

[rosy14]

Guys of course he doesn’t think Evgenia’s jumps are perfect and will rework most of them (esp the toe jumps) - but come on. We can try to be objective and say that for example her 3s and 3lo are among the best in the field? According to Ambesi and Dolfini, her 3lo is the best in ladies. Of course Brian will never say her jumps are awful now, but if he agreed to work with her in the first place he must not think she sucks at jumping *

I can’t wait to see how Ambesi will judge Xhenia technical characteristics now that: 1) she’s no more the number 1 in Russia, 2) she has left Russia.

 

[yume]

They'll at least have to retool them enough to make sure she isn't muscling and retains her jumps, wouldn't they? If longevity is the aim, but even if it's just winning, you need jumps you can still do. Let's see what happens. My issue with Orser's statement is something else entirely.

I wonder how her jumps can be so muscled while she already use excessive pre-rotation.

 

[DaNiCG]

I wonder how her jumps can be so muscled while she already use excessive pre-rotation.

black magic

 

[LRK]

According to what was shown on the media, Eteri messaged Zhenya on the 16th of April asking her to go to the rink and to do the planning for the trainings. But this is kind of strange, because at that time Zhenya was touring Japan/Korea with Zagitova and other skaters for shows. How was she supposed to go to the rink? Than on the 24th another messages came, which is also suspicious because this was only 2 days after the meeting with Orser My speculation is that Eteri somehow learnt that Zhenya met Orser and was just testing her to see if there would be any reaction

Somebody should compile a timeline of who said what when and where they were.

The more I think on it, the more amusing this is. Honestly, if this is so, I don't know what Evgenia is supposed to have replied to such a bizarre text:

"Why aren't you at the rink?!"
"Because I'm in Japan?!"

But perhaps Eteri didn't know that Evgenia was in Japan either.

 

[cruzceleste]

Somebody should compile a timeline of who said what when and where they were.

The more I think on it, the more amusing this is. Honestly, if this is so, I don't know what Evgenia is supposed to have replied to such a bizarre text:

"Why aren't you at the rink?!"
"Because I'm in Japan?!"

But perhaps Eteri didn't know that Evgenia was in Japan either.

We are like this

 

[Tolstoj]

???

BORser didn't have any female skaters prior to Med that were medal threats (I don't count Daleman as a threat). He was barely active in ladies skating and most of attention was on men's. The bigger coaching threat would've been Raf (with Lim and Honda) or one of the Japanese coaches.

It doesn't mean that he's not a competitor.

He worked on that for a while, he tried with Elizabet and it didn't work and partially with Gabby. Of course japanese coaches and Raf are threats too.

In terms of medals, Sambo70 and Toronto Cricket Club are the best you can find in ladies and mens figure skating.

Russian Press (in English) writes against Medvedeva with "viscerality”.

https://m.realnoevremya.com/article...ium=redirect&utm_campaign=mobile#from_desktop

Some of the Headlines:

“'Stab in the back'' of Tutberidze and Zagitova by Evgenia Medvedeva”

”Medvedeva has gone and will never came back”

“Pseudo-Patriots and change of citizenship”

“Everybody is right but Medvedeva is guilty”

I'm worried that Russian media in general will play this "she's going abroad so she's a traitor" "it's ok if you hate Evgenia" to put her in a bad light and potentially ruin her career. I hope influential people in figure skating like Tarasova can explain that is not like that at all.

 

[chopinskate]

I wonder how her jumps can be so muscled while she already use excessive pre-rotation.

In her toe jumps it's likely because she gets poor vault and because of the relatively low speed she has going in.

 

[esteticlove]

Somebody should compile a timeline of who said what when and where they were.

I was just bored and paid extra attention to those details

But perhaps Eteri didn't know that Evgenia was in Japan either.

Yeaaah, she obviously needs to read GS more often if she wants to keep an eye on her skaters! We even tracked Zhenya's flight on Monday and knew when she'll land in Russia eace:

 

[ramed]

Let's look at this situation another way and put the shoe on the other foot. How much advance notice do you think Eteri gives to a skater before she expels them? Like when she expelled Alina, do you think she gave her a month notice to find a new coach, contacted other coaches on Alina's behalf, or even recommended to Alina's parents more suitable coaches. Keep in mind her skaters are kids, not adults.

I don't what Eteri actually did, but based on her past relationships and what she has said publicly, it's not hard to form an opinion.
It's easy to tell everyone your skaters are like your daughters when medals are won, what happens when the winning stops...

The problem with your opinion is, you can't form it from first-hand oral sources like interviews or Q&A sessions. It's based on poor translations from Russian media articles or other people's views. All halftones, nuances and clues available in the original interviews and easily recognizable by a native speaker are lost or distorted for you. You're trying to make far-reaching conclusions from questionnable sources. In such situations, it's easy to fill the voids and bend the facts the way one wants things to be. I'm not saying Eteri is the sweetest lady around (such people just don't make top-shelf coaches). But until very recent times, Eteri kept only two photos on her desk, one of her daughter Diana, the other of Zhenya. Including after the Olys. Eteri is rather reserved in public display of her emotions but from what she spoke about Zhenya previously, it was pretty clear that Zhenya occupied a special place in her heart. So Eteri's recent emotions and sometimes not so kind words about Zhenya are not necessarily right but understandable.

 

[50 Words for Snow]

Thank you for the info. I will look in to it.

The Kayolis, break my hearth, I just loved watching them with the girls and to know what was going behind closet doors :sad4:

I know this is off-topic, but Nadia Comaneci was my first Olympic crush (I'm two years younger than her), and so I was beside myself with excitement when Bela Karolyi came here to coach. Then US women's gymnastics really took off, and we were really competitive and fun to watch while he and his wife coached our girls, and now, I am just sick to my stomach. Man, I hope they didn't let someone touch the Romanian girls, too.

 

[ramed]

I'm worried that Russian media in general will play this "she's going abroad so she's a traitor" "it's ok if you hate Evgenia" to put her in a bad light and potentially ruin her career. I hope influential people in figure skating like Tarasova can explain that is not like that at all.

Sure all Russians and their media are so dense... Y'know your hope is futile, those dumb unwashed people don't listen even to influential people The feeling of one's superiority is such an amusing thing.

 

[Haleth]

Honestly?

I think we should allow Evgenia time to heal and decompress, for her and Brian and his team to come together in late June, see where she is at and see if any rough plan the team may have come up with jibes with what they see as they get to know her on their own ice.

For any coach I would assume it's pick your battles. I am certain they will prioritize based on E as an individual, as Brian has always said he wants to treat his skaters as the very different individuals they are. I assume Tracy will be working on her regardless on SS and their will be readjustment. And ofc people will be waiting to pounce on her however she does next season, even if inconsistency is likelier and that would be the time in the quad to start to work through it.

In short, I would put what is said in the slew of interviews on the back burner for now and give Evgenia and the rest of Team Cricket some time to figure things out. Be glad that Brian is not wasting their energy on getting into a mudslinging match and is instead taking the high road.

 

[50 Words for Snow]

I really think it's only a small minority of nutters who think that way. That and people just like to stir the pot for any old reason these days. Some of the posts in this thread are truly cringeworthy. Russians do not share a hivemind and Evgenia is not unique in having an interest in other cultures. She did Sailor Moon because she likes it, yes...and Anna P. had an ex to Rise Like A Phoenix. I don't know of any Russian skater that doesn't like to go abroad sometimes, doesn't listen to foreign music, etc. Rukavitsin's group spends time in the US every year, S/K and I/Z trained in the US, Morozov brought his group to NJ when he was still coaching Russians. By the way, how many American skaters train abroad and how would people react if one of them were to move to Russia?

I would be okay with it, but I don't speak for all Americans, of course. I would be upset if they switched nationalities, though. I'd be like, "GTFO, then! Who needs you?" But to just live and train there with a Russian coach? "You do you, and bring us home a medal."

 

[50 Words for Snow]

If we were in 1972 and Bobby Fischer had said “Hey, I have decided to go to the USSR to learn chess with the soviets, but I will continue representing US National Team”, what do you think the Americans would have thought?

There are certain feelings that correctly or incorrectly they are very difficult to avoid.

We would have thought he was a spy and debated whether he was ours or theirs while hoping that he could spread the truth that in the free world, you don't stand in bread lines all day and worry about spending 10 years at hard labor if you quietly complain about it to your neighbor. We never hated them; we just didn't want to get nuked. We knew if the curtain came down, they'd be happier, and they are. Now, one of their best skaters ever is going to train with our besties so that she can continue to represent Russia at the highest level, and all sane people are excited about it.

 

[beachmouse]

I haven't read an article about Isinbayeva about a year or two. Same goes to TV-shows and advertisements in the trading centers. Medvedeva is much more promoted in Russia.

I think that by the time the IAAF put the 'death penalty' on the Russian athletics federation in 2015, Isy was already thinking about Life 2.0 and how she wanted to be a minister of sports in her country some day. And that, while she probably stayed in shape in hope the general Russian track & field ban was overturned (she spent too much time in Russia to get neutral status when the IAAF was being exceptionally strict about that for Rio) , she also started the shift to politics a little earlier than she had first planned. She's a very driven and hard-working woman; give it a few years and everyone will probably be hearing about her as the person in charge of all Russian sport.

By the way, how many American skaters train abroad and how would people react if one of them were to move to Russia?

Johnny Weir was described as spending large chunks of training time in Russia and often talked about his love of the country and its people and many US fans just took it as a part of who he was. Many found his fondness for Russia to be charming. (And technically Canada is a foreign country and there's always a lot of back and forth with skaters and those two countries) I do think the NCAA mentality does bleed over to non-college sports- whether it's off to university or off to the other side of the world, it's very common and seen as normal for an 18 year old American to make the move far from home in pursuit of coach and team that will take their talents to the next level, even if means leaving a coach that they had great success with as a junior.

China's gymnastics and/or diving team did it by restricting their athletes to certain type of diet.

The American gymnasts too, from the accounts coming out of Karolyi's ranch.

 

[MedoLove]

Well, I think we have to take into account several things:

RusFed does not really exist: it is not an independent organization. In Russia, only certain people have power.

And those people in general do not like Zhenya's way of being, because she is neither the typical Russian girl nor the prototype they want to promote. She speaks foreign language, she likes foreign cultures, she shows tolerance whit....”non-traditional” ideas.

Until now they have endured it because ... she won championships.

But now she is not indisputably the number 1, so probably some of those people with power have started attacking her. Probably the mess about that it was going to change her citizenship have been malicious rumors scattered by those people with the only aim to damage her public image.

We should wait more performances in that sense, and of course in the sports field.

What? sweetie, the USSR fell in the 90s, and now all the X generation, Milleanials and the Z like Evgenia and all the other Russian skate kids, don't fit into that absurd stereotype you're painting.You have not seen the pictures in their IG? : Iphone, macbook, starbucks, foreign music. You have not seen Plushenko and his Louis Vuitton and Supreme jackets?Russia is much more liberal now, they still maintain their noblest traditions, but most people have a connection withe the world.


To others, Gay people also exist in Russia. :sarcasm:I remember that duo of lesbian girls T.a.T.u in the 2000's, they are still vigent and they are literally mega stars in Russia and all over the world. There is also a couple of Russian lesbians who are youtubers and activists.
Also, TAT trained many foreigners and she herself lived in the USA (Eteri too),Yagudin lived in the USA for many years, Sharapova also, many other athletes also do it, Putin's daughter married a Korean and lives in another country, etc.


Really you are stuck in 1960.


Evgenia would be the best ambassador for Russia, a friendly face to foster good relations with abroad and the Western world, if I were Rusfed and Putin, I would invest in it to improve relations, Zhenya is already about to reach 1 million followers in IG , has many fans abroad and in Russia itself, her fan group in VK has the same amount as the fan group of the entire Tutberidze team. The girl will not lose popularity because of this, on the contrary.And as long as the girl wins medals and gains popularity, Rusfed does not care about anything else.
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[NanaPat]

By the way, how many American skaters train abroad and how would people react if one of them were to move to Russia?

Not American, but Canadians Kaitlyn Weaver and Andrew Poje train with Morozov and spend at least part of the year in Moscow. I have heard a lot of dislike of Morozov, but the criticism stems from a dislike of him as a person and coach, not his country.

 

[Sam-Skwantch]

What? sweetie, the USSR fell in the 90s, and now all the X generation, Milleanials and the Z like Evgenia and all the other Russian skate kids, don't fit into that absurd stereotype you're painting.You have not seen the pictures in their IG? : Iphone, macbook, starbucks, foreign music. You have not seen Plushenko and his Louis Vuitton and Supreme jackets?Russia is much more liberal now, they still maintain their noblest traditions, but most people have a connection withe the world.


To others, Gay people also exist in Russia. :sarcasm:I remember that duo of lesbian girls T.a.T.u in the 2000's, they are still vigent and they are literally mega stars in Russia and all over the world. There is also a couple of Russian lesbians who are youtubers and activists.
Also, TAT trained many foreigners and she herself lived in the USA (Eteri too),Yagudin lived in the USA for many years, Sharapova also, many other athletes also do it, Putin's daughter married a Korean and lives in another country, etc.


Really you are stuck in 1960.


Evgenia would be the best ambassador for Russia, a friendly face to foster good relations with abroad and the Western world, if I were Rusfed and Putin, I would invest in it to improve relations, Zhenya is already about to reach 1 million followers in IG , has many fans abroad and in Russia itself, her fan group in VK has the same amount as the fan group of the entire Tutberidze team. The girl will not lose popularity because of this, on the contrary.And as long as the girl wins medals and gains popularity, Rusfed does not care about anything else.
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I follow people from all over the world and I certainly follow a bunch of Russians on Instagram. They all seemingly speak English and drive all over the place listening to American music pushing around skateboards and snowboards

Times are changing. My American friends think I’m weird to follow Russians but it doesn’t seem that the Russians feel that way about their friends following Americans. My strangest find so far is Ellen .

https://instagram.com/p/BKxkQ7-AhWN/

 

[50 Words for Snow]

What? sweetie, the USSR fell in the 90s, and now all the X generation, Milleanials and the Z like Evgenia and all the other Russian skate kids, don't fit into that absurd stereotype you're painting.You have not seen the pictures in their IG? : Iphone, macbook, starbucks, foreign music. You have not seen Plushenko and his Louis Vuitton and Supreme jackets?Russia is much more liberal now, they still maintain their noblest traditions, but most people have a connection withe the world.


To others, Gay people also exist in Russia. :sarcasm:I remember that duo of lesbian girls T.a.T.u in the 2000's, they are still vigent and they are literally mega stars in Russia and all over the world. There is also a couple of Russian lesbians who are youtubers and activists.
Also, TAT trained many foreigners and she herself lived in the USA (Eteri too),Yagudin lived in the USA for many years, Sharapova also, many other athletes also do it, Putin's daughter married a Korean and lives in another country, etc.


Really you are stuck in 1960.


Evgenia would be the best ambassador for Russia, a friendly face to foster good relations with abroad and the Western world, if I were Rusfed and Putin, I would invest in it to improve relations, Zhenya is already about to reach 1 million followers in IG , has many fans abroad and in Russia itself, her fan group in VK has the same amount as the fan group of the entire Tutberidze team. The girl will not lose popularity because of this, on the contrary.And as long as the girl wins medals and gains popularity, Rusfed does not care about anything else.
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You are spot on. I was reading his posts wondering if he knew that Russia was no longer part of the USSR. I follow several Russians on Instagram, and they all speak English, listen to rock and hip-hop, watch Hollywood movies, eat pizza and sushi, and went to the Russian Victory Day parade the other day as proud Russian patriots. Times have changed, Luis, and for the better. I grew up in the Cold War being indoctrinated with American propaganda. I am still a staunch capitalist, but I have learned to make borscht (and love it), have a couple of Russian pop songs on my phone, follow several Russians on Instagram, have a Russian Internet friend, and adore Evgenia Medvedeva as my all-time favorite skater. Come on up to the 21st Century and have a beer with us!

Also, I agree that Evgenia is a wonderful ambassador, both for Russia and for figure skating. She is pretty, talented, charismatic, professional, fun and wacky off the ice, and appeals to a broad fandom, introducing her sport to K Pop and anime fans around the world. I'm sure Russia will continue to support her. Besides, she is staunchly and patriotically Russian; she loves Russia!

 

[cruzceleste]

To others, Gay people also exist in Russia. :sarcasm:I remember that duo of lesbian girls T.a.T.u in the 2000's, they are still vigent and they are literally mega stars in Russia and all over the world. There is also a couple of Russian lesbians who are youtubers and activists.
Also, TAT trained many foreigners and she herself lived in the USA (Eteri too),Yagudin lived in the USA for many years, Sharapova also, many other athletes also do it, Putin's daughter married a Korean and lives in another country, etc.

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Actually pretty sure the T.a.T.u. girls were just acting and now hate each other guts.