Highest scores ever recorded-Ladies (part II)

[Krunchii]

Mao + Yuna = I am not worthy

 

[FSGMT]

One usually doesn't know if their thread will turn out to be like that until it actually does. And the point of this thread was to compare different skaters and to discuss results; it's not like FSGMT started this one and its predecessors hoping for a fight.

Exactly! The point of this thread was (as we're doing) to compare the different rankings that I (and now we) have compiled because I thought they were interesting, not to focus one specific case, and this was the only reason for my note

 

[satine]

Yes, to be honest, any thread at all talking about the upcoming season, any Olympic games, scoring, rules, judging, Russia, etc. can be turned into an anti-Sotnikova thread. Mind you there is a difference between conversing about the results (which I am totally fine with) and actually being offensive and hateful towards any of the medalists. But you can't let this trend keep you from creating new topics and participating in them on a forum. All you can do is stay on topic and contribute to the threads in a respectful, insightful manner. This thread has been great so far.

FSGMT, would you be interested in starting a new thread but for the men? Or we can just continue it here if easier. Either way, I'm going to be going through and checking out their BVs. I was surprised a day or two ago when I saw Yuzu's BV was actually slightly higher than Javi's during one event. I'm curious to see how they'll rank up overall.. :think:

 

[Li'Kitsu]

FSGMT, would you be interested in starting a new thread but for the men? Or we can just continue it here if easier. Either way, I'm going to be going through and checking out their BVs. I was surprised a day or two ago when I saw Yuzu's BV was actually slightly higher than Javi's during one event. I'm curious to see how they'll rank up overall.. :think:

Not keeping you from creating a new thread (as this one is really cool), but I think you'd see Hanyu out-BVing Javi quite regularly, at least last season. He's BV is higher by the smallest margin, but he's less prone to pop his jumps.
From the top of my head, the highest overall TES should be Hanyus from GPF 2013-14, followed by Chans from TEB 2013-14 (those being the only ones 100+). The highest overall score previous to last season was actually Kozukas from worlds 2011, something around 98+ (Sorry, my inner Kozuka fan really needed to post this!)

 

[FSGMT]

FSGMT, would you be interested in starting a new thread but for the men? Or we can just continue it here if easier. Either way, I'm going to be going through and checking out their BVs. I was surprised a day or two ago when I saw Yuzu's BV was actually slightly higher than Javi's during one event. I'm curious to see how they'll rank up overall.. :think:

I would be glad to join you with some highest-ever rankings, if you plan to compile a BV ranking A new thread would be the best option I think, in order not to confuse things (I was already thinking about additional threads for Men and Pairs, just to have some late off season fun )

 

[FSGMT]

In the meantime, here's the complete FS TES ranking:

1) Yu-Na Kim 78.30 2010 Olympics
2) Adelina Sotnikova 75.54 2014 Olympics
3) Yu-Na Kim 74.73 2013 Worlds
4) Mao Asada 73.35 2007-2008 GPF
5) (tied) 73.03 Mao Asada 2014 Olympics and Miki Ando 2011 4CC
7) Yu-Na Kim 72.90 2007 Cup of Russia
8) Yu-Na Kim 72.25 2007-2008 GPF
9) Mao Asada 71.91 2008 4CC
10) Julia Lipnitskaya 71.75 2014 Europeans

At least here we can see some variety! 4 for Yu-Na, 3 for Mao, 1 each for Miki, Adelina and Julia

 

[Alain]

If a serious crime is committed and it goes unpunished, the detective will hunt the criminal down until he is caught and then a lawyer will continue to pursue prosecution until the perpetrator is convicted, sentenced and placed in prison. Families usually express forgiveness when the criminal has paid for his mistake, by being behind bars, or has compensated the family in some way for his offense, depending on the severity of the crime. Forgiveness is almost never expressed if the offender gets away scott free.

Crimes that are forgotten are more likely repeated. Corruption that is swept under the rug more often resurfaces, especially if it isn't discussed because it thrives in the dark corners of silence.

Before all that the charges must have been brought. If there's none or if they are dismissed, the crime is not there. Would you agree to be called a "criminal" if you were never even charged? Yup. Silly question.

 

[Cherryy]

This may be slightly off-topic but as possible ways of beating world records were discussed and it seems everyone likes maths and crazy lists (yay!) I can share with you the maximum possible score for Mao. As I am a huge Mao fan even before olympic season began I picked her best results to see what score she could realistically get if clean. I took the best values obtained by her from different competitions and you can see here what I got.

PCS – 72.76 (2014 worlds FS)
3A – 10.36 (2014 worlds SP)
3F-3L< - 8.90 (Olympics FS)
3Lz – 5.50 (2013 GPF FS)
3L – 6.50 (2013 4cc FS)
FCCoSp4 – 4.50 (2013 Worlds FS)
2A-3T x – 9.54 (2013 worlds FS)
3S x – 5.62 (2014 Worlds FS)
CCoSp4 – 4.43 (NHK FS)
3F-2L-2L x – 10.59 (2013 4cc FS)
FCoSp4 – 3.77 (GPF FS)
StSq4 – 5.90 (2013 4cc SP)
ChSq – 3.70 (GPF FS)
Total: 152.07

The conclusion (for me) is that if she went clean this year in Saitama she could easily beat the world record. Most of these scores come from competitions that were held in Japan. Additionaly, if she performed the 3F-3L cleanly (more probable than lutz, could get away with a different technical controler) she could gain up to 4 points. The highest value for 3Lo comes from previous season, when she performed it at the beginning, without the 10% bonus.

It's clear the 150 mark can be beaten but without the spiral sequence it's incredibly hard. I guess we will have to wait for the next olympics, where inflation will surely get higher and new girls will already have a reputation so that the technical goods they already have will be combined with high PCS .

 

[FSGMT]

I think that the biggest difference as for the FS is GOEs values: in 2010, the huge GOEs that Yu-Na received for her jumps made her score incredible, now you can't receive more than +2.10 for three-revolution jumps and +1.50 for 2As, and that's a BIG difference

 

[satine]

Not keeping you from creating a new thread (as this one is really cool), but I think you'd see Hanyu out-BVing Javi quite regularly, at least last season. He's BV is higher by the smallest margin, but he's less prone to pop his jumps.
From the top of my head, the highest overall TES should be Hanyus from GPF 2013-14, followed by Chans from TEB 2013-14 (those being the only ones 100+). The highest overall score previous to last season was actually Kozukas from worlds 2011, something around 98+ (Sorry, my inner Kozuka fan really needed to post this!)

Yes, Yuzuru did place higher than Javi, but Javi did make it on the top 10 list I've worked up Very happy for him. And maybe Chan & Kozuka had some of the highest overall TES last season, but their BV didn't make it anywhere in the top 10. I think I was noting Kozuka more frequently than Chan while ordering them though. I was surprised Chan wasn't noted more often :/

I would be glad to join you with some highest-ever rankings, if you plan to compile a BV ranking A new thread would be the best option I think, in order not to confuse things (I was already thinking about additional threads for Men and Pairs, just to have some late off season fun )

I've got the BV done I must say, I am a little surprised with the results.

 

[Li'Kitsu]

Yes, Yuzuru did place higher than Javi, but Javi did make it on the top 10 list I've worked up Very happy for him. And maybe Chan & Kozuka had some of the highest overall TES last season, but their BV didn't make it anywhere in the top 10. I think I was noting Kozuka more frequently than Chan while ordering them though. I was surprised Chan wasn't noted more often :/

Guess Kozuka's high TES was due to high GOE then. Same goes for Chan, if you looked for BV. It's great that you did the work of getting that list together

 

[chloec]

what if we exclude cases a skater got a medal in her own country?

 

[satine]

what if we exclude cases a skater got a medal in her own country?

To me, if a skater gets a a score at any ISU event, that is enough. You can agree or disagree with them for the rest of your life if you want(and I do disagree with plenty of scores), but fans do not give the scores, judges do. Just because someone has a high score doesn't mean you have to love their performance. That isn't the case a lot of the time, actually. Excluding entries from skaters that medaled in their home country would be a waste, for example, Mao's record SP would be discounted. And that's just crazy

 

[Meoima]

To me, if a skater gets a a score at any ISU event, that is enough. You can agree or disagree with them for the rest of your life if you want(and I do disagree with plenty of scores), but fans do not give the scores, judges do. Just because someone has a high score doesn't mean you have to love their performance. That isn't the case a lot of the time, actually. Excluding entries from skaters that medaled in their home country would be a waste, for example, Mao's record SP would be discounted. And that's just crazy

When will you post the scores recored for men? I am very earger to see Javi's placement. :yay:

 

[satine]

When will you post the scores recored for men? I am very earger to see Javi's placement. :yay:

Meoima, I'm starting the thread shortly

eta: Here ya go.

 

[Sandpiper]

Reads the same to me as saying 'why do all skaters have to do spins?' or even better 'why do they all have to do step sequences?'. Some skaters have trouble with those elements too, Mikis spirals were no worse then her spins.

Most of all: I want more spirals. If they bring back the SpSq or any other way, I don't care. But spirals:

I missed this post earlier.

Spins and step sequences are required elements of all figure skating disciplines, not just the ladies'. They are also a specific category of moves. The spiral is not--it is one specific move of a general category: moves in the field. There's a world of difference between requiring all skaters to do a move from a general category (spins, StSq) vs. requiring all skaters of only one discipline to do one, specific move. Forcing someone like Miki to do a spiral isn't the same as forcing her to spin--it's the equivalent of forcing Yuna to do 3Lo. What if a certain lady isn't good at spirals... but they have a beautiful spread eagle or Ina Bauer? But they're automatically at a disadvantage compared to another skater who can do a lovely spiral but can't do Ina Bauer or spread eagle at all. That, imo, isn't fair, that we should prize one field move above all others, for this one discipline.

I've also been rather disappointed with spirals "created" by COP. The levels, the forcing skaters to go for the catchfoot position, ect. I mean, would we even have Michelle Kwan's iconic spiral if she'd competed under COP?

I love spirals too (when they're well done), but that's not a reason to make them a required element. We can still get spirals in the ChSq, and of better quality since they're not forced to do unattractive positions for levels. But it also gives more freedom to the skaters, to do other field moves, to show off their good steps (if that's their specialty), ect. Win-win.

 

[sk8ingcoach]

Im glad to have someone finally beat Yuna's sp score. Because its kind of unfair now without the spiral sequence that she would have WR. But Yuna obviously deserves highest for LP
Disappointed that Carolina couldn't get higher than Yuna's sp but its so much harder without the extra 4 points of a spsq. Im obviously very frustrated that a certain russian almost scored the WR in the free which is absolutely ridiculous when you compare her and the WR.

Im actually kind of glad there are no spiral sequence in the short program. So many people were doing the same spiral sequence and it was easy to get level 4. I like it how it is now with no spirals in the short and a chsq in the free

 

[Sandpiper]

But Yuna obviously deserves highest for LP

Mao's Sochi LP deserves it, imo. I'm not sure what advantage Yuna's Vancouver LP (with 6 triples and three double axels) has over Mao's LP (8 triples, including the axel).

 

[Ophelia]

^Quality over quantity.

 

[Sandpiper]

Mao had quality too. UR call shouldn't have happened for 3F-3Lo, and that step sequence at the end was fabulous. But even if that's true (quality over quantity), the difference in quantity is so big that it shouldn't be bridged by quality, unless we're arguing that Mao had zero interpretation and performance skills.