Highest scores ever recorded-Ladies (part II)

[drivingmissdaisy]

I suspect Mao's GOE is relatively consistent, whether or not Yuna is competing against her in the same event. I know a lot of Mao's jumps are borderline underrotated even when she gets full credit, so I wonder if that factors in at all.

 

[satine]

I suspect Mao's GOE is relatively consistent, whether or not Yuna is competing against her in the same event. I know a lot of Mao's jumps are borderline underrotated even when she gets full credit, so I wonder if that factors in at all.

I'm sorry I haven't posted a summary of her GOE yet (I'm at my brother's bday party right now). But I did manage to go through her 2006-2009 season already and it looks really inconsistent across all competitions, whether or not Yuna was there. As little as less than 2 points (IIRC) or more than 5. And her jump layout was nearly identical the first three years I believe.

 

[shiroKJ]

Thanks again satine94 for all your hard work.

 

[CarneAsada]

I'm sorry I haven't posted a summary of her GOE yet (I'm at my brother's bday party right now). But I did manage to go through her 2006-2009 season already and it looks really inconsistent across all competitions, whether or not Yuna was there. As little as less than 2 points (IIRC) or more than 5. And her jump layout was nearly identical the first three years I believe.

How are you looking at the GOE? It's not really possible to judge the consistency of her GOE unless you're only looking at the jumps without major errors. For example, Mao would obviously have much higher GOE from her 2008 NHK LP than from her 2006 GPF LP. Unless you've already taken that into account, in which case forget what I just said.

 

[Li'Kitsu]

I suspect Mao's GOE is relatively consistent, whether or not Yuna is competing against her in the same event. I know a lot of Mao's jumps are borderline underrotated even when she gets full credit, so I wonder if that factors in at all.

That's one of the only explanations I could come up with too. She doesn't have the most amazing transitions, but she does have some and except for the 3As, I don't think her jumps are 'stalked'. I also remember reading comments from other skaters saying how Maos jumps had very good height and distance, a lot more then what they would have expected before seeing her live. I never said she should be getting +3's, but there were quite some times when I thought Mao got less +GOE compared to other skaters.

 

[mr1006]

It's interesting how much more important spins are in the SP, as you see Julia on that list but not post-2010 Yuna there.

I think it's important to consider that Yuna has skated early in the SP post-2010 when she did well, like at 2013 Worlds and the Sochi Olympics. She probably would have been rewarded more GOEs if she had skated later.

 

[jkun]

That's one of the only explanations I could come up with too. She doesn't have the most amazing transitions, but she does have some and except for the 3As, I don't think her jumps are 'stalked'. I also remember reading comments from other skaters saying how Maos jumps had very good height and distance, a lot more then what they would have expected before seeing her live. I never said she should be getting +3's, but there were quite some times when I thought Mao got less +GOE compared to other skaters.

I think the lesser GOE is due to some of her jumps looking a bit awkward? Her loop and axel are fine although I'd wish she had more creative entries into her 2A, at least. Or more elegant entry? Her edge issue on the lutz is probably the worst of the top ladies.. I don't know about other people's opinions, but I always thought her flips were also kind of awkward? I think it's due to the fact that she uses a very deep inside edge (almost seems to use a deep edge to help her gain height?). Her flip entry also always includes a lot of two-foot skating, which I think reduces its impressiveness. She always has very good air position, but her take-off on certain jumps always seemed to be awkward.

Her GOEs have gotten better though, especially her 3A, because she has extended her free leg on landings.

 

[Miss Ice]

Pretty sure Mao, Caro and Yuna's free programs at Sochi would all have scored closer to 150 were it not for the location and sponsor of the event. But that's definitely not a debate we want to re-start.

Yep. Or the others' would have scored lower, actually... But yes, it's a lost cause at this point. I just hope this trend isn't going to spiral out of control.

 

[elif]

Do we know highest junior scores?

 

[mary01]

I think the lesser GOE is due to some of her jumps looking a bit awkward? Her loop and axel are fine although I'd wish she had more creative entries into her 2A, at least. Or more elegant entry? Her edge issue on the lutz is probably the worst of the top ladies.. I don't know about other people's opinions, but I always thought her flips were also kind of awkward? I think it's due to the fact that she uses a very deep inside edge (almost seems to use a deep edge to help her gain height?). Her flip entry also always includes a lot of two-foot skating, which I think reduces its impressiveness. She always has very good air position, but her take-off on certain jumps always seemed to be awkward.

Her GOEs have gotten better though, especially her 3A, because she has extended her free leg on landings.

Mao only does one 2a in the fs, and it does not have a creative entry because, it's in combination with a 3t. it's limited how creative you can be while doing such big elements and combinations. and if you are looking for elegant entries and exits Mao demonstrates that perfectly, just look how elegantly she exits her 3a and 3f in the 2014 Worlds sp, right to the music and perfectly woven with the rest of the choreography, and if you are so eager to see Mao do a 2a with a very creative entry I recommend you to see her 2012 sp in the gp circuit where she does the 2a as the first element in the sp out of a very creative entry and beautifully executed, and if you want to see Mao do a 3a with a creative entry I recommend 2007 worlds fs where she does some interesting steps before going into the jump. if you look closely you would notice that she always does some steps before going into the 3lz. as to your ridiculous claim on the flip I will not even bother to comment on that.
overall I think some of the things that make Mao's jumps soo aesthetically pleasing are all the details, transitions she has while still executing her difficult elements effortlessly with a gently touch, and I wish that would be rewarded and reflected in the scores. like previous posters I often feel like the goe given to skaters is not based on what the judges see in front of them but rather based on reputation.

 

[gotoschool]

Because this comment:

Frankly I think Mao is judged badly on the GOE based on reputation, not because they compared her jumps to Yuna.

I am glad we agree on this. Too bad we didn't agree and were confused about each other's posts under the Adelina predictions thread. Disagreements just happen sometimes.

 

[gotoschool]

I think the lesser GOE is due to some of her jumps looking a bit awkward? Her loop and axel are fine although I'd wish she had more creative entries into her 2A, at least. Or more elegant entry? Her edge issue on the lutz is probably the worst of the top ladies.. I don't know about other people's opinions, but I always thought her flips were also kind of awkward? I think it's due to the fact that she uses a very deep inside edge (almost seems to use a deep edge to help her gain height?). Her flip entry also always includes a lot of two-foot skating, which I think reduces its impressiveness. She always has very good air position, but her take-off on certain jumps always seemed to be awkward.

Her GOEs have gotten better though, especially her 3A, because she has extended her free leg on landings.

Words such as "awkward" used twice or needing to be "more elegant" or using too much "two footed" skating are not criticisms I associate with Mao, though they certainly could be used for other competitors in the Olympics and Worlds 2014 for instance who received much higher GOE on just about everything including the jumps. In the Sochi and Worlds FS in which Mao had rock bottom GOE, it was the beauty and elegance of her jumps and her frequent use of skating on one foot that was praised as an asset not ridiculed as a deficit, at least by those who chose to look at the actual performance itself, instead of merely glancing at the protocol sheet afterwards.

 

[MiRé]

Mao only does one 2a in the fs, and it does not have a creative entry because, it's in combination with a 3t. it's limited how creative you can be while doing such big elements and combinations. and if you are looking for elegant entries and exits Mao demonstrates that perfectly, just look how elegantly she exits her 3a and 3f in the 2014 Worlds sp, right to the music and perfectly woven with the rest of the choreography, and if you are so eager to see Mao do a 2a with a very creative entry I recommend you to see her 2012 sp in the gp circuit where she does the 2a as the first element in the sp out of a very creative entry and beautifully executed, and if you want to see Mao do a 3a with a creative entry I recommend 2007 worlds fs where she does some interesting steps before going into the jump. if you look closely you would notice that she always does some steps before going into the 3lz. as to your ridiculous claim on the flip I will not even bother to comment on that.
overall I think some of the things that make Mao's jumps soo aesthetically pleasing are all the details, transitions she has while still executing her difficult elements effortlessly with a gently touch, and I wish that would be rewarded and reflected in the scores. like previous posters I often feel like the goe given to skaters is not based on what the judges see in front of them but rather based on reputation.

Having a 3T is not an excuse for not having an entry. There are skaters who does an ina bauer leading right into a 2A+3T combinations. It's a matter of can't do vs won't do.

 

[Li'Kitsu]

Having a 3T is not an excuse for not having an entry. There are skaters who does an ina bauer leading right into a 2A+3T combinations. It's a matter of can't do vs won't do.

There are also skaters who are doing 3As against skaters who just don't do one

 

[Meoima]

Having a 3T is not an excuse for not having an entry. There are skaters who does an ina bauer leading right into a 2A+3T combinations. It's a matter of can't do vs won't do.

They both retire already, why still continue the crusade against your favorite's rival? hwell:

 

[CarneAsada]

Do we know highest junior scores?

Radionova has the top, I'm pretty sure. At 2014 Junior Worlds she got 66.90 in the SP and 127.39 in the LP, scores on par with the top seniors in 2008.