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Intelligent Design/Creation/Evolution

Joesitz (RIP)

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Apparently Intelligent Design is gaining followers. Is it paving the way to make Creation more plausable?

I had a biology teacher in High School a hundred years ago who was a Roman Catholic. When we touched on Evolution, she said that she could easily believe in Evolution and remain a good Catholic because she believed that the entire universe from its beginnings was the work of a supreme being. The bible in her opinion, wasn't all that correct. The stories in genesis are just stories.

Are you on the Intelligent Design bandwagon?

Joe
 
Define Evolution

there are six types of Evolution

are we talking Cosmic Evolution?
Micro-Evolution?
Macro-Evolution?
etc....


I am a Creationist, yes. I also agree with Micro-Evolution (which is the big science word for adaptation)


TO UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE. I reccommend checking out http://www.drdino.com

he is a former science teacher who yes has a Christian site... but this argues both sides and shows that both are faith-based and not science based. Because let's face it science is that which can be tested/studied/repeated... and we can't study/test/repeat either theory...



so yes I believe in Intelligent Design/Creation.
 
Tonichelle said:
Define Evolution

there are six types of Evolution

are we talking Cosmic Evolution?
Micro-Evolution?
Macro-Evolution?
etc....


I am a Creationist, yes. I also agree with Micro-Evolution (which is the big science word for adaptation)


TO UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE. I reccommend checking out http://www.drdino.com

he is a former science teacher who yes has a Christian site... but this argues both sides and shows that both are faith-based and not science based. Because let's face it science is that which can be tested/studied/repeated... and we can't study/test/repeat either theory...



so yes I believe in Intelligent Design/Creation.
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Excellent post. Thank you. Many in the science community are supportive of Creation. A science professor at the university where I teach was recently baptised at my church. As her understanding of science and new research deepens, she has become convinced of the existence of a Creator.
 
mmscfdcsu said:
Excellent post. Thank you. Many in the science community are supportive of Creation. A science professor at the university where I teach was recently baptised at my church. As her understanding of science and new research deepens, she has become convinced of the existence of a Creator.
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There was an article not too long ago that a very well known European Scientist (notice I don't remember him but the article said he was well known ha ha!) said that he had come to the conclusion that Evolution was flawed, and it was a devastating experience for him...


One of our family friends has several degrees in Evolution, and now he is completely Creationist. The more he studied it, the less it all fit together.
 
Tonichelle said:
One of our family friends has several degrees in Evolution, and now he is completely Creationist. The more he studied it, the less it all fit together.
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Exactly. My colleague at work is a Ph.D. in her 40's who has not just stepped out on faith but on reason. (It is also exciting to see the work of the Living Christ in her personal life)
 
I'll skip creationism and just adress Intelligent Design. I do not dismiss such a possibility; the problem is that it does not (IMHO) explain anything. What is the premise there? That the world around us is too complex to evolved without some greater design. The question is, then, who designed the Designer? How did the super-intelligent being come to be if we have already agreed that such complex things couldn't have evolved on their own?

IMO, science in schools should just teach Evolution. Though how different cultures and religions view the issue can be a valuable part of Social Science, just as studying Bible can be very beneficial in the Literature class.
 
Good post, Ptichka - it's another what came first the chicken or the egg?

From what I heard on Public Radio, Bush is very much into Intelligent Design as an alternative to Evolution. However, now that he is busy stacking the Court, they may just overturn the teaching of Evolution (based on science) without the the teaching of Creation (based on faith).

If creation is taught in the public schools, can you imagine, at least 14 different interpretations of how the earth began in order to satisfy the minorities. I don't think the curriculum could force one religious belief on another.

Joe
 
Science classes should teach science, and comparative religion classes can teach the different creation stories of all the varied faiths of the world. Evolution is science fact. Intelligent design or creationism belongs to matters of faith.
 
when was Evolution proven? In order for science to BE SCIENCE it has to be able to be tested... that's what we all learn in grade school... without being able to study and test it's no more than a Theory... and even then a to be a true scientific Theory you have to be able to test it.... you can't TEST cosmic, macro, etc evolution

certainly teach micro... but the rest relies just as much on faith and believing as creationism... and I don't think either should be taught as science. Adaptation is a form of evolution... however there are five others that can not be proven and therefore should not be taught anymore than creation....

and in all honesty the "creationist" view is basically teh same for the top 3 western religions... where we all break is either after Abram (Jews & Christians stay the same, Muslims go off on their own version of what happened next) or Christ (Jews are still waiting for the Messiah, Christians believe Jesus was and is the Messiah) so where you'd have the problem is in the Eastern Religions... of which I know nothing about their beliefs on how Earth was formed....


as Dr. Hovind said... either you believe
In the beginning God
or
In the beginning Dirt...

if you're going to ask where the Designer came from, ask yourself where the matter that the Cosmic Belch happened came from...

both are a mystery... both are NOT science... they're faith based and do not belong in public schools... OR if you want Cosmic Evolution(and the others other than Micro) then at least look into teaching a bit of creation... that's just my feelings though... many would argue don't teach Evolution at all and teach Creation and I don't argue that. While I feel Creation is true and right, it's still not "science" by definition and therefore should not be taught as such.
 
Tonichelle said:
when was Evolution proven? In order for science to BE SCIENCE it has to be able to be tested... that's what we all learn in grade school... without being able to study and test it's no more than a Theory... and even then a to be a true scientific Theory you have to be able to test it.... you can't TEST cosmic, macro, etc evolution
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So by this logic we shouldn't cover the theory of relativity, theory of large numbers or any other number of scientific and mathematic precepts that are of relevance today?

I may personally think that creationism is bullshit, but I do NOT disrespect those who follow that line of thought. My problem with education is that the list of things we "cant teach" is growing faster than the list of apparent flaws in the no child left behind school of policy and legislation. I have no issue with all the options being presented as what "some populations believe" as long as it is done so in a mature, context rich environment.

What are we trying to accomplish from sheilding our students completely from debate? Last time I checked, learning about something didnt harm anyone. As long as faith based agendas arent pushed on any populations and no one is made to feel uncomfortable I think the best answer to the problem is to teach evolution alongside a variety of "universal origin" tales from varrying cultures and religions.
 
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Evolution isn't a fact, it's a theory that has a decent amount of evidence. I've got to agree with bronxgirl, though, in that evolution is science and intelligent design is a religious explanation for it. Either way the process of evolution is what's been happening, never mind what's behind it.
Also, no, I guess you can't test evolution over hundreds of thousands of years, but you can understand the biology behind it, right? Also, if you don't take everything that can be proven in hard, cold, facts to be at least possibly true, then there'd be a lot that we don't know. There's a reason why science keeps progressing, and that's because there's mystery in the world.
 
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i'm more of an evolutionist myself... though we still have a lot to learn no doubt. i think intelligent design is basically creationism in disguise. i don't think i advocate teaching it in science class. but i think some conservatists in particular (esp. bush adminstration) is pushing to get it recognized.
 
I believe God is the Creator of the Universe, so I obviously don't believe in evolution. There are so many things on earth, (not even including the vast vast universe) that they can't even be counted. Everything in nature on the earth, has such detail, beauty, and complexity, that I don't know how someone can't be in awe of that. I could never believe that a big bang caused the sun and the moon and the tilt of the earth to be in absolute perfect position, and spread out an infinite universe.
 
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Evolution= :agree:
Intelligent Design= :laugh:

I too agree that ID is just a supposedly scientific label to put on creationism. While I think that everyone is entitled to their opinion, evolution certainly has a lot more evidence going for it.
 
CzarinaAnya said:
I believe God is the Creator of the Universe, so I obviously don't believe in evolution. There are so many things on earth, (not even including the vast vast universe) that they can't even be counted. Everything in nature on the earth, has such detail, beauty, and complexity, that I don't know how someone can't be in awe of that. I could never believe that a big bang caused the sun and the moon and the tilt of the earth to be in absolute perfect position, and spread out an infinite universe.
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Actually CzarinaAnya - I am a Christian, but I don't believe the the Theory of Evolution and Christianity are mutually exclusive. I believe God created everything, but I can still believe in aspects of evolution.

The Big Bang Theory and the Theory of Evolution are not one and the same in my opinion. However, what's to say God didn't create the "Big Bang"? (I don't believe this, but don't think believing this makes one not-Christian).

I believe the fundamental thing that makes me Christian is that I believe in God, I believe He is the Creator of all things and I believe He sent His Son Jesus to live a sinless life and then die on the cross for me and for all people, so that our sins will be forgiven. I believe in the resurrection. I believe in the the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, as the Trinity. I believe that once one repents and gives their life to God, they then receive the promise of eternal life with God in Heaven.

All the rest is just incidentals to me.
 
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