Jason Brown

[Mrs. P]

Lots of adorable skater kids.

The kid to Jason's left (our right) looks familiar, but I can't think of a name.

 

[el henry]

Great catch with the Audrey Weisiger post, @Rosa74. Sadly I only recognize those already ID’ed.

But jumping off from this, as has already been mentioned, what *is* with Jason and the IG story a day? If not more? Are Canadian data plans that good?

Not that I’m complaining

 

[Mrs. P]

Pent-up demand. Making up for lost time.

 

[Ross74]

But jumping off from this, as has already been mentioned, what *is* with Jason and the IG story a day? If not more? Are Canadian data plans that good?

Not that I’m complaining

I blame the SOI cast for turning him on to it.

What marvelous news about Jason's new coaching arrangements!! A win-win situation all around. The jumps,are important, yes, but I expect to Jason's skating even more in future (if that is even possible!!)
Could someone enlighten me regarding "delayed" jumps? Maybe post an example or two? I have never heard this term before so likely wouldn't know one if I fell over it!! would appreciate any input.. Thanks!!

elbkup, I hope someone can answer your question. The delayed jumps that I'm familiar with are the delayed axels that skaters like Charlie Tickner used to do that were really spectacular crowd pleasers ( and Dick Button pleasers). Those had the skaters hanging in the air for a bit before starting the rotation. I think what you're talking about is a little similar, but different. But I really don't know.

 

[LRK]

I know zero about technique, but..

I remember some commentators were discussing jumps - I think those of Maria Sotskova and Karen Chen - saying that they delayed the rotation, and were thus rotating on their way down, which was why they often got URs.

But hopefully someone else has a better - and more expert - explanation.

 

[karne]

On my phone right now so full breakdown to come but basically, delayed rotation is more like up then rotate, whereas faster rotators tend to rotate on the way up.

 

[elbkup]

Thanks for the answers everyone... I have a much better idea about the term and what it means and I will watch videos of the skaters you mentioned to see if I can identify differences.. actually a great project for the off season and watching more skating is never a bad thing.
I know Jason needs time to train and get programs into shape but t seems like forever since we have seen him on ice!! I can't watch 4CC often enough til then...

 

[shirleyc89]

I think the delay in rotation is more obvious in Jason's loop jumps. Compared to his other jumps, you can see more clearly how he doesn't start rotating until he reaches the highest point in the air. I think it's easier to tell during his jumps in competition but this is a video where he explains and does all the jumps: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKulecXlyFs

 

[Mrs. P]

I did start to watch some videos of Jason's 3A and Yuzu's 3A. Take a look at Jason's 3A from his FS at Skate America (+2.00) and Yuzu's 3A from his SP at Rostelecom Cup 2017 (+3.00)

I'm no expert or skater, but one thing I do notice is that Yuzu's snaps into rotation immediately from takeoff and that Jason tends to delay a bit to go up and then snaps into into rotation. I'd imagine if you have a delay in the rotation, then basically if the takeoff is even a second off, it can wreck havoc on your ability to complete all the necessary rotations (namely cause you don't get the height you need to allow the delay to work).

I'm sure karne will give a much better explanation. Brian Orser's right -- it's not terrible technique for most jumps cause you don't have to fit as many rotations, but 3.5 + up I can see how it's problematic.

I noticed in earlier incarnations of his 3A he used to rotate much faster. Here's his 3A from Trophee Eric Bompard 2013 (good excuse to see his Question of You SP). Here's his 3A from the World Team Trophy in 2015.

 

[ice coverage]

Here's a pic of the G2C group that Jason presented with today in St. Louis. https://www.instagram.com/p/BjlGauHFH7k/?hl=en&taken-by=weisigeraudrey

I recognize Doug Mattis, Chris Conte, and Audrey. Who else is there?

Not sure, but I think Jeremy Allen is next to Audrey? He is one of Bradie's coaches.

(Photo of him today with Bradie, the Knierims, Aljona, and Benoit: https://www.instagram.com/p/BjlgZqvBuUQ/?taken-by=aljonasavchenko )

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Pent-up demand. Making up for lost time.

:agree: Kinda reminds me of when Jason was quite a latecomer to Twitter … and his tweeting immediately zoomed from zero to sixty. :hap85:
I remember thinking back then that he was making up for lost time. :yes:

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… It also seems Courtney and Jordan are good friends.

Yes, I think so too. IIRC, Courtney has performed in Jordan's charity ice show in Illinois every year for at least the past few years.

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… ETA: I actually noticed the delayed rotation watching his "Can't Stop the Feeling" exhibition for like the 80th time. I am partially watching it a lot cause it's a fun Jason program, but mostly cause my kid is OBSESSED with that song. Her little toddler friend brought the Trolls CD (and a singing machine) during our Memorial Day weekend holiday in the woods. They sang that song like 10000000X and now she LOOOVESS that song. Also, I'm sad he didn't do the spilt jumps at my SOI cause she loves it. When we watch it and get to the spilt jumps part, she's like "JUMPING JUMPING JUMPING!"

Only 10000000X? Adorable. :luv17:

 

[elbkup]

I did start to watch some videos of Jason's 3A and Yuzu's 3A. Take a look at Jason's 3A from his FS at Skate America (+2.00) and Yuzu's 3A from his SP at Rostelecom Cup 2017 (+3.00)

I'm no expert or skater, but one thing I do notice is that Yuzu's snaps into rotation immediately from takeoff and that Jason tends to delay a bit to go up and then snaps into into rotation. I'd imagine if you have a delay in the rotation, then basically if the takeoff is even a second off, it can wreck havoc on your ability to complete all the necessary rotations (namely cause you don't get the height you need to allow the delay to work).

I'm sure karne will give a much better explanation. Brian Orser's right -- it's not terrible technique for most jumps cause you don't have to fit as many rotations, but 3.5 + up I can see how it's problematic.

I noticed in earlier incarnations of his 3A he used to rotate much faster. Here's his 3A from Trophee Eric Bompard 2013 (good excuse to see his Question of You SP). Here's his 3A from the World Team Trophy in 2015.

Your comparison between Jason and Yuzaru 3A is fascinating. I always thought Yuzaru's 3A's looked effortless and in your examples his seem to match Jason's 3A examples done at a younger age.. Jason's more recent 3A's seem to be more labored... ?? maybe due to slightly increased body muscle mass now Jason is a bit older and correctable with proper balance technique/training?? Though I can imagine both lean and muscular body mass each have their special challenges with jump dynamics
I am speculating... Jason DOES have beautiful jumps!! Would love to see him gain back the effortlessness he used to have in his jumps which I am hoping Orser can provide. A slow motion video posted in this forum not long ago (dinged if I know where it us now ..) focused on Yuzaru's skates on take off, amazing... it was a toe assist jump; his foot/leg immediately at a perfect right angle to the ice, toe pointed like a ballet dancer he vaulted straight into the air.. no lean whatsoever!! I thought it was remarkable..

 

[elbkup]

I think the delay in rotation is more obvious in Jason's loop jumps. Compared to his other jumps, you can see more clearly how he doesn't start rotating until he reaches the highest point in the air. I think it's easier to tell during his jumps in competition but this is a video where he explains and does all the jumps: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKulecXlyFs

The slow motion in this video makes point of rotation obvious.. besides the benefit of seeing Jason skate it is a nice jump tutorial. Thank you for posting shirleyc89!

 

[Mrs. P]

Your comparison between Jason and Yuzaru 3A is fascinating. I always thought Yuzaru's 3A's looked effortless and in your examples his seem to match Jason's 3A examples done at a younger age.. Jason's more recent 3A's seem to be more labored... ?? maybe due to slightly increased body muscle mass now Jason is a bit older and correctable with proper balance technique/training?? Though I can imagine both lean and muscular body mass each have their special challenges with jump dynamics
I am speculating... Jason DOES have beautiful jumps!! Would love to see him gain back the effortlessness he used to have in his jumps which I am hoping Orser can provide. A slow motion video posted in this forum not long ago (dinged if I know where it us now ..) focused on Yuzaru's skates on take off, amazing... it was a toe assist jump; his foot/leg immediately at a perfect right angle to the ice, toe pointed like a ballet dancer he vaulted straight into the air.. no lean whatsoever!! I thought it was remarkable..

I'd say that Jason get more height in his 3A in more recent incarnations than he did when he was younger, but because he rotates slower, he's still prone to not finishing the rotation if he's off the timing. The jump look nice and airy, but that's doesn't do much good if he doesn't have enough time to rotate.

Alexei Krasnozhon's 3A is really good as well. He learned his jump technique from Mishin, so I feel like that helped him a lot. He has that nice snap rotation at the takeoff. He also does a nice counter (or rocker I never get those terms right) going into it.

 

[synteis]

Thanks for the info, Mrs. P!

I've never paid much attention to the Cricket Club beyond the obvious but, since Jason's news broke, I've been on a crash course to learn all there is to know. It does sound like Colorado Springs with the various skating enclaves. I've also discovered I need to start following a whole new batch of skaters.

I've been to Toronto several times and it's one of my favorite cities. It is incredibly clean for a city of it's size and the people I encountered were friendly and helpful. The food is great and it's fun to shop in the various neighborhoods. It has a great subway system but no one ever danced on one for me like Jason did in his tweet today.

Looks like they were going to the North York area of Toronto. I wonder if they were going to the skating shop up there, it's probably the best in the city.

 

[elbkup]

I'd say that Jason get more height in his 3A in more recent incarnations than he did when he was younger, but because he rotates slower, he's still prone to not finishing the rotation if he's off the timing. The jump look nice and airy, but that's doesn't do much good if he doesn't have enough time to rotate.

Alexei Krasnozhon's 3A is really good as well. He learned his jump technique from Mishin, so I feel like that helped him a lot. He has that nice snap rotation at the takeoff. He also does a nice counter (or rocker I never get those terms right) going into it.

Javier has a nice 3A too.. Jason does get better height now so hopefully he and his coaches will begin there to improve rotations and landing. I will be happy if his 3A looks like Alexei's or Javier's eventually and this carries forward to the quad so I am beginning to have hope and can see how it might happen. :agree2:

 

[Mrs. P]

Think this is a (not) subtle hint to fans that he's not giving up on the quad.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BjnqoidBllX/?taken-by=jasonbskates

ETA: More IG story lol. The last slide made me chuckle.

 

[el henry]

Think this is a (not) subtle hint to fans that he's not giving up on the quad.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BjnqoidBllX/?taken-by=jasonbskates

ETA: More IG story lol. The last slide made me chuckle.

Wow, I never even thought of that hint about the quads, but I like that interpretation! And Jason in the Air Canada lounge going "home" is too cute.

(and I need to digress just a little, I may join Jason, I am :ddevil: and about recent events for a certain beloved football team. I mean, really? :hpull: :angry1:. Ok, I know we can't really discuss it here, but just from a football perspective )

 

[el henry]

OK, looking at Jason’s latest IG stories, how little I know:

does Kaori train at TCC? Just visiting? Old photos?

And Heather gave Jason socks with (edited ) risqué language? If only he’d asked I could have given the whole thing to him in Latin and destroyed the entire effect

 

[oatmella]

Kaori is getting choreography from David Wilson.

https://twitter.com/ifsmagazine/status/1004206707734532096?s=21

 

[Mrs. P]

OK, looking at Jason’s latest IG stories, how little I know:

does Kaori train at TCC? Just visiting? Old photos?

And Heather gave Jason socks with (edited ) risqué language? If only he’d asked I could have given the whole thing to him in Latin and destroyed the entire effect

Maybe he knows and is trolling all of us.

The photo from Jason and IFS indicates they’re not at TCC’s main rink. Maybe Jason is working on choreo with David too?