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Every relationship has its own troubles and there probably were some issues during the last four years which is totally natural and looking at how miscommunicated they are now, I bet there were things like this over the past 4 years as well. The difference is that they shared a same goal and purpose back then, and now, maybe they have different opinions. Yuna also said in an interview few years ago that the communication is a big problem for her and she wished her English was better so that she could connect with him better.
 
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I agree with her about the fact that you don't discuss such an issue (leaving the coach) WITH the coach. That is your own private decision and once your mind is made up you just have to notify the coach. The problem is that it was done through her mother (like Patrick Chan and his dad) but who knows what was going on for the last few months between them that made her uncomfortable to talk to him about this in person. Or maybe there was some sort of communication between them about this that we don't know. We could only guess. Also, to go around media and put this controlling figure skating mom image in everybody's head, Brian made a huge mistake. It could be the cultural differences but dissing someone's parents, especially in public in a way he did, is a BIG NO NO and Yuna seems very offended and hurt by this .
 
Surprised yes but

I did notice that Orser was no where to be found in her recent show in Korea although Dave Wilson was there. And I wondered if there was anything to that. But a split I did not expect. Brian will be fine. He can coach many other. Who knows where Kim will go. I think she is done with serious skating.
 
The fact that he was spending time with other skaters (due to the uncertainty of her return to competitive skating and the fact she wanted to take a break, quite natural imo) may have made her feel deserted. She was no longer Orser's main project for figure skating (it is unfair to expect a coach to wait for Yuna for a few years until Yuna gets her motivation back). Take into consideration she was Orser's first student and the one who got him into coaching in the first place and she was a lonely child and you'll looking at a very unique situation.

I cannot believe Yu-Na would be angry at Brian for training another skater while she takes a break from skating. That just does not make sense. :confused:
 
What's with the thread title?
Biased much??

I prefer "Yuna and Brian in Splitsville" ... =.=

anyway this is just too saddening for me, I don't think my weak heart can handle any more of it.
I wonder if there could be a possible win-win solution for both parties.
 
I can´t help seeing Yu-Na as a puppet and her mom pulling the strings, so to speak. My impression is that Orser has been treated very badly, maybe though that is just a cultural thing?

Anyway, I think that Orser has behaved like a gentleman in this matter and I totally agree with him that Yu-Na should leave the club. I can imagine the tension which has been around there, and there are other skaters also suffering from it.

Next Olympics are held in Russia, is Yu-Na´s mom chosing a Russian coach as hired help for her daughter now?
 
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It took me a half last day to read the thread and I still dont know why the parted.:think:Unless she is taking a long break and she doesnt need a coach right now.
 
I don't think Brian has been out of line in anything he's said so far--he's hurt and he HAS been disrespected. It's one thing to have a skater terminate a relationship, but for goodness sakes' do it the right way, face to face, and not after a long summer of avoidance. It's pretty clear that over the last few weeks, he wasn't harboring any more illusions that Yu-na was going to make her own decision and stay. All that said, at this point he can probably do best for himself by going silent and focusing on his other skaters.

As for Koreans, my experience with them--on a business basis--is that they are one of the most difficult people in the world to deal with. Make that 10x difficult with Korean mamas. And yes, very cold. And ultimately what this is all about is not Yuna the Skater but Yuna the Moneymaking Machine. At least from her mother's and agent's side, since she won the Olympic Gold medal. I absolutely believe that Yuna's mother has been and is calling the key shots on how all this has played out. Brian O's interest was almost certainly in Yuna the Skater, and I think there was an irreconcilable difference in the sets of tasks and time commitments needed to develop Skater vs Moneymaking Machine. Although Brian probably is only now realizing the extent to which that gap developed over the last few months.

Sadly, my impression of Yu-na herself has diminished a little bit over all this. Asian culture and Confucian deference to parents aside, yada, yada, yada...it's the year 2010, she's nearly out of her teens, a World and Olympic champion. Time to step up to the plate, take responsibility for career and dealings with others, and stop hiding behind mommy--she needs a true, non-family impartial professional agent and manager, though I have no hope that will happen.
 
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It seems like...Yu-Na and Brian have personalities that cannot be get along with each other.
They cannot talk to each other with their hearts open.

Both are classy in public eyes. But...cannot open their minds in front of each other.

Nobody can find faults with Brian's interview with the media.
But he does not have the natural capacity to Yu-Na accepting him as a true friend.

It is nobody's fault.
It is a conflict that will not end unless they part ways.

Brian helped Yu-Na strategically to get the Vancouver gold medal and...
Yu-Na helped him to get his old glory back.
Mission accomplished.

David Wilson could be the man...Yu-Na has in her mind.
 
I found Yuna's Cyberworld statement to be quite strange. She hints at how their relationship wasn't all that great as it appeared. But just a few months ago, I remember she was saying how happy she was after she started training with Orser. My, how times change!
 
I found Yuna's Cyberworld statement to be quite strange. She hints at how their relationship wasn't all that great as it appeared. But just a few months ago, I remember she was saying how happy she was after she started training with Orser. My, how times change!

It's called 'rewriting history' and often happens during acrimonious break ups, whether professional or personal.
 
Yuna made it pretty clear in her statement that it was her decision to terminate her relationship with Brian. She expressively stated she is not a child anymore, and every decision her agency makes goes through her.

I heard that it is rumored by the people in the Cricket club, that Yuna's side had sent an email to Brian in early June. (please consider this as a hypothetical theory) This hypothetical email presumably said that Yuna felt no reason to return to training with Brian. My guess is that Yuna's side may have sent this email as an informal way of telling Brian that they will not renew his coaching contract. Since Brian's contract expired after the Olympics, it would have been only reasonable for Yuna's side to let Brian know of their decision, and let Brian decide whether to propose a new contract, or to find other pupils to coach.

Brian seemed to have chosen the latter option, as he continued to coach other pupils while not giving any care to Yuna. Yuna's side could only consult with David Wison since May. Brian was no longer actively engaged as their head coach.

After Yuna finished her shows in Korea, her agency had a meeting with the cricket club coaching staff. Both Brian and Tracy were present at the meeting. ATS, Yuna's management, confirmed that Brian is not Yuna's head coach in this meeting (which I feel must have been clarified earlier than August, in a more official manner). However, for some unknown reason the parties agreed to have a consideration period for Yuna and Brian. At this point, it seems Yuna have already made her mind (for whatever reason) not to enter into a new contract with Brian. Brian, on the other hand, seems to me still confused and even hurt by her decision, and this may be the reason why he is going out public on this matter, making a mountain out of a molehill.
 
I have read some criticism of Brian for going public. But what was the plan? Break up, and never tell anybody?
 
I have read some criticism of Brian for going public. But what was the plan? Break up, and never tell anybody?

As odd as it seems, it really does appear that that was Team Kim's plan. Who knows? Maybe that's how things are done in Korea (or maybe not, I really have no idea) but it plays very poorly internationally.
 
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