Kim's representatives end Orser's coaching relationship threads merged

[i love to skate]

The korean Herald article mentions legal action so it appears this is not getting better.

Really?? Legal action for what?? I am confused...

I did have to laugh at Hersh's closing comments:

"Orser and Kim had been together since 2006. Over the next four seasons, she frequently praised Orser for the role he played in her success. By Tuesday, she was calling him a liar and suggesting there were deep-seated reasons for the split, reasons she has so far chosen not to reveal.

Maybe she will tell all in another episode of ``As the Ice Melts.''

Only in figure skating. That's among the many reasons why I love it."

I love it too!

 

[Mathman]

Can someone please help me to understand what is so bad about mentioning what music someone is skating to?

Newsfalsh: Mathman will be skating to Bach this season. He is practicing a quad flip.

Oh, that's nice.

Wait, hold the presses. Mathman changed his mind and decided to go with Beethoven instead. He isn't practicing the quad flip any more and has replaced it with a 3A+3F sequence.

Well, that's OK, too.

What is so horrible about spilling news of that sort?

 

[seniorita]

Professional courtesy dictates that you at least try to end the working relationship with respect. He didn't feel Kim accomplished that by not responding to emails and not talking to him in person. That hurts when professionally, you've accomplished so much together. I see nothing wrong with Brian's initial statement and I think this whole thing got blown out of proportion and both sides probably regret what happened.

of course he should have made public they split to protect his students and his job before the off season ended and I had no problem with his initial statement as well, but to be honest after the interviews and newspapers , i forgot which the initial statement was...I think silence is the best protection for the coach and the athlete. I didnt like Yuna's twitting message either, but one has to be more smart now. Didnt he know that one single sentence would go out of proportion in the media?he is not newbie..for me it is a whole big advertisment all this.

 

[chloepoco]

Can someone please help me to understand what is so bad about mentioning what music someone is skating to?

Newsfalsh: Mathman will be skating to Bach this season. He is practicing a quad flip.

Oh, that's nice.

Wait, hold the presses. Mathman changed his mind and decided to go with Beethoven instead. He isn't practicing the quad flip any more and has replaced it with a 3A+3F sequence.

Well, that's OK, too.

What is so horrible about spilling news of that sort?

I agree--I don't understand what the big fuss is over this.

 

[skatinginbc]

I am on your side. Yuna's party grabbed such a trivial mistep and made such a big fuss out of it, which tells you how desperate they are to find a good excuse to fight back.

 

[emma]

Can someone please help me to understand what is so bad about mentioning what music someone is skating to?

Newsfalsh: Mathman will be skating to Bach this season. He is practicing a quad flip.

Oh, that's nice.

Wait, hold the presses. Mathman changed his mind and decided to go with Beethoven instead. He isn't practicing the quad flip any more and has replaced it with a 3A+3F sequence.

Well, that's OK, too.

What is so horrible about spilling news of that sort?

Stated like this - yeah, no big deal at all OR a great big deal to fans who get to hear the music for the first time if they don't know it or jump for joy because they do know it, which fuels the enthusiasm for the start of the season - a good thing.

But, it seems inappropriate to "spill" the music if you aren't on the team and I don't think I have ever heard a coach announce without the skater involved...

In all of this, I think this was the big - however unintentional - slip or mistake on Orser's part (although what appears as his genuine praise and enthusiasm - 'best LP ever even better than the Olympic one' is makes the fan in my really HOPE Yuna is skating to this and will be at worlds so we can see it competiviely). I most sincerely hope this doesn't cause tension with Wilson and that Yuna is not unduly deflated by the leak...

 

[Bluebonnet]

Here it is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-OUt3IFlzk

Thank you so much! I'm listening to it the third time right now. It's so beautiful! Now I can't wait to see her program.

 

[hikki]

Re: Phil's article vs. Brian's interview

I have to say I was puzzled about inconsistencies with Brian's remarks on this. From saying 'I was indeed approached and was flattered' to 'no I was absolutely not approached.' Whaaa? Team Mao denied and expressed 'disturbance'. I hope this will be clarified. Yuna is not necessarily acting with grace and dignity, but then again she must be going thorough a lot and she's 19- maturity, language barrier, defending mum- she deserves the benefit of the doubt. Meanwhile I don't quite get what Brian is trying to get out of all this. I felt a sense of bad taste when he 'disputed' Miki's 3/3 ratification at CoC '08, again to the media using video slo mo- just not what I call a class act.

 

[LeCygne]

I actually don't think Brian should have revealed her music without permission, especially if he isn't even her coach anymore. It may be silly, but music choices are a pretty big deal for a number of skaters and in past seasons Yu-Na has obviously preferred to keep hers confidential for as long as possible. And especially this season when competition is still a big question mark for Yu-Na, there's no sense getting fans excited for something they may never see. Brian should have respected that, but I guess there hasn't been much respect from either side since this whole thing blew up.

 

[seniorita]

Can someone please help me to understand what is so bad about mentioning what music someone is skating to?

Newsfalsh: Mathman will be skating to Bach this season. He is practicing a quad flip.

Oh, that's nice.

Wait, hold the presses. Mathman changed his mind and decided to go with Beethoven instead. He isn't practicing the quad flip any more and has replaced it with a 3A+3F sequence.

Well, that's OK, too.

What is so horrible about spilling news of that sort?

maybe Bach would be upset.
and yeah, you need to grow a mullet first

 

[prettykeys]

Can someone please help me to understand what is so bad about mentioning what music someone is skating to?

Newsfalsh: Mathman will be skating to Bach this season. He is practicing a quad flip.

Oh, that's nice.

Wait, hold the presses. Mathman changed his mind and decided to go with Beethoven instead. He isn't practicing the quad flip any more and has replaced it with a 3A+3F sequence.

Well, that's OK, too.

What is so horrible about spilling news of that sort?

1) Orser went into far more detail than just naming a composer and the elements of the program.

2) It's YuNa's program to unveil when she's ready. If you want to be courteous.

3) They've severed their relationship.

Here is an analogous example:

My ex-friend just finished up a painting she wants to reveal in a gallery in a few months' time. I tell everyone publicly the subject matter of the painting and how wonderful it is, how it fuses this and that style and how it's a completely different piece than her last painting.

...or, maybe I could just let her talk about it. Or wait until it shows up at the gallery. It's...hers?

 

[chloepoco]

Stated like this - yeah, no big deal at all OR a great big deal to fans who get to hear the music for the first time if they don't know it or jump for joy because they do know it, which fuels the enthusiasm for the start of the season - a good thing.

But, it seems inappropriate to "spill" the music if you aren't on the team and I don't think I have ever heard a coach announce without the skater involved...

In all of this, I think this was the big - however unintentional - slip or mistake on Orser's part (although what appears as his genuine praise and enthusiasm - 'best LP ever even better than the Olympic one' is makes the fan in my really HOPE Yuna is skating to this and will be at worlds so we can see it competiviely). I most sincerely hope this doesn't cause tension with Wilson and that Yuna is not unduly deflated by the leak...

Why on earth would Yuna be unduly deflated by this leak? I still don't get what the big deal is. Sure, it was wrong of Brian to disclose this, but really, what harm was done?

 

[prettykeys]

I actually don't think Brian should have revealed her music without permission, especially if he isn't even her coach anymore. It may be silly, but music choices are a pretty big deal for a number of skaters and in past seasons Yu-Na has obviously preferred to keep hers confidential for as long as possible. And especially this season when competition is still a big question mark for Yu-Na, there's no sense getting fans excited for something they may never see. Brian should have respected that, but I guess there hasn't been much respect from either side since this whole thing blew up.

Thank you for a reasonable point of view from someone who's not wholly invested on either side.

 

[janetfan]

A brief summary for posters who don't have time to read the whole thread:

Yuna's mommy fires Brian and Tracy.

Brian waits three weeks and then says he has been dismissed without clear reason and that he feels he has been disrespected.

Yuna tweets and calls Brian a liar.

Brian reveals Yuna's new music for her LP.

AT Sports threatens legal action against Orser if he does not stop talking.

Hersh is right - this is a soap opera. Any bets on the the next episode?

Will Shae Lynn work with Yuna at the Cricket Club? Will Brian hear the music and reveal it to the WORLD?

Be sure not to miss the next scintillating episode of "As The Ice Melts"

 

[samsarah]

Too emotion because he put his sole and heart in it, which shows he truly loves Yuna. When a loving couple breaks up, one side may tell his (her) friends that how unfair the other party was. It does not mean it is out of vengence. It is simply "too emotional" as you said, and it is unwise and may become hurtful to both.

In Brian's every interview, he critized only how he was treated and never attacked the other party in a personal level and even suggested a room for reconciliation (e.g., he said he will still coach Yuna if she and her mom decide to). However, I got the impression that Yuna's party was full of personal attack (e.g., calling him liar, and now the statement in response to his revealing the LP music saying, "This can only be construed as a move intended to hurt the skater'').

They both are hurting each other, one side unintentionally, the other on purpose and maliciously.

It is my impression that Yuna camp kept their mouth shut not because they didn't want to disclose the reasons, but because they had no good reasons. They have been waited and waited till Brian made a mouth slip and finally found a good reason to fight back.

Thank you for your thoughtful comments on Brian’s feelings, and your thoughts that his active dealings with the media was never on a personal level.

I do agree that Brian’s major criticism was focused on his treatment by the team. But some of his statements toward Yuna and her mom, had been, in my perception, purposely, knowingly made to harm their credibility and reputation.

For instance, Brian insists that Yuna had no say in their split and it was all her evil mother’s decision. Yuna refuted this claim both in her twitt and in her Cyworld statement. I did not find anything purposeful and malicious on Yuna’s statements to harm Brian. It seemed to be a genuine response of an anguished teenager whose mom was unfairly (in her perception) attacked.

I may be slightly biased and in favor of Yuna’s side of the story(or you may say immensely But, to me Brian has already made several inconsistent statements regarding Mao, (another innocent skater who was unfortunate to have been dragged in to his mess) and that just screams suspicious to me. If he had been untruthful to his skater, and told her Mao had contacted her when in fact there was no such contact, I would say he had breached a serious fiduciary duty there, by acting in bad faith toward his client (but let us not get into the legal specifics) I just hope he was confused, maybe some agent of a Mexican (no offense to the Mexicans, though ) skater whose name happened to be Mao Asada, approached him several times and asked him to be her coach. He is the coach of the newly crowned omg is he not?

 

[chloepoco]

A brief summary for posters who don't have time to read the whole thread:

Yuna's mommy fires Brian and Tracy.

Brian waits three weeks and then says he has been dismissed without clear reason and that he feels he has been disrespected.

Yuna tweets and calls Brian a liar.

Brian reveals Yuna's new music for her LP.

AT Sports threatens legal action against Orser if he does not stop talking.

Hersh is right - this is a soap opera. Any bets on the the next episode?

Will Shae Lynn work with Yuna at the Cricket Club? Will Brian hear the music and reveal it to the WORLD?

Be sure not to miss the next scintillating episode of "As The Ice Melts"

And this is about the only time I've agreed with anything Hersh has said.

 

[Mathman]

I tell everyone publicly the subject matter of the painting and how wonderful it is, how it fuses this and that style and how it's a completely different piece than her last painting.

Sounds good to me! I wish my ex-friends were as nice.

 

[i love to skate]

AT Sports threatens legal action against Orser if he does not stop talking.

She really needs to find new management! What are they going to charge him with, talking too much?? Also, this is Canada - it is very hard to sue someone here. Perhaps someone should tell that to AT Sports :disapp:

 

[prettykeys]

Too emotion because he put his sole and heart in it, which shows he truly loves Yuna. When a loving couple breaks up, one side may tell his (her) friends that how unfair the other party was. It does not mean it is out of vengence. It is simply "too emotional" as you said, and it is unwise and may become hurtful to both.

Orser didn't tell just his friends. He told the whole world, publicly. Bad analogy.

In Brian's every interview, he critized only how he was treated and never attacked the other party in a personal level

Actually, he attacked YuNa's mother.

However, I got the impression that Yuna's party was full of personal attack (e.g., calling him liar, and now the statement in response to his revealing the LP music saying, "This can only be construed as a move intended to hurt the skater'').

What if Orser was lying about something? Then she should be able to defend her mother and call him out on it.

They both are hurting each other, one side unintentionally, the other on purpose and maliciously.

One-sided, much?

It is my impression that Yuna camp kept their mouth shut not because they didn't want to disclose the reasons, but because they had no good reasons.

Yes. YuNa broke up the coaching deal with Brian for absolutely no good reasons at all...that sounds logical.

 

[seniorita]

i didnt know you cannot get sued easily in Canada...useful information:think: