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bekalc said:
I think that most of their mutual friends may be able to handle things better when the fighting stops. I had a horrible fight with a friend of mine at one point. We tried to heal it but there were just to many issues there. Our fighting caused both of us to put all of our friends in the middle and made a horrible situation for everyone. Finally my Campus Pastor told me that I should just let the friendship go, accept the friendship is done, and that maybe if I could accept the friendship was done, everyone could move on. So that's what I did. We just became polite aquaintances, and trust me everyone and I mean EVERYONE was thrilled that the fighting was over. Eventually it got to the point where we were kind of able to "sort of" be friends again in time and after distance.

The point is talking and trying to heal this rift may just be impossible. The best thing for everyone though is for them to stop the public fighting and give space, distance, and stop putting other people like Wilson in the middle of their feud.
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Oh, sure. I wasn't referring to them ACTUALLY fixing their relationship.

I was talking more about Yuna's public image. Having a reconciliatory tone projects maturity and responsibility and it would shift a lot of sympathy towards her. I was saying it would be good for her to do so regardless of whether it was true. I'd hope it was true.

I don't think Brian needs to release a statement. He's already talked enough and he's not the one who will hurt reputation wise from this (although he probably won't ever be particularly popular in Korea anymore here on out. Unfortunately, I doubt he'll ever be a part of the professional FS show business although he probably doesn't need it.)

Edit: You know what's sad about this is I remember Orser saying he and Yuna would watch Orser's old Olympic performances and laugh over those and that it was with Yuna that Orser was first able to watch his performance again because there was so much hurt from losing that OGM. :no::cry:

They were obviously VERY close. Not as close as David Wilson and Yuna but not exactly a purely professional relationship as some are trying to portray it.
 
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Unfortunately, I doubt he'll ever be a part of the professional FS show business.)
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Actually I disagree here. Here's what I've been wondering I know that Brian has a long relationship with IMG, but was he signed to them at the time he was working with Yu-na's shows. Because I've frankly been wondering if Brian by choosing to sign again with IMG, purposely himself made the decision to work with IMG shows in the future. Not as a means of being mean or rude to Yu-na but just thinking that's the group he'd rather work.

I can imagine just for IMG, they might not want someone who is signed with them producing shows that are in competition with their shows.
 
bekalc said:
Actually I disagree here. Here's what I've been wondering I know that Brian has a long relationship with IMG, but was he signed to them at the time he was working with Yu-na's shows. Because I've frankly been wondering if Brian by choosing to sign again with IMG, purposely himself made the decision to work with IMG shows in the future. Not as a means of being mean or rude to Yu-na but just thinking that's the group he'd rather work.

I can imagine just for IMG, they might not want someone who is signed with them producing shows that are in competition with their shows.
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I don't know about that. Brian seems to be a coach primarily right now and seems content to do just that.

I do note that he wasn't part of the show held in the summer when he's been part of the show EVERY YEAR. That kind of hints at something there.
 
MrBerkeley said:
I don't know about that. Brian seems to be a coach primarily right now and seems content to do just that.

I do note that he wasn't part of the show held in the summer when he's been part of the show EVERY YEAR. That kind of hints at something there.
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I was not aware that Brian had an alternate career producing ice shows for IMG. Maybe IMG is interested in having him do that in the future. But that again points to a conflict of sorts with ATS who coincidentily seem to produce Yuna's shows on the same dates as some of the IMG shows.

And Ms Park did not leave IMG or IB on the best of terms so Brian may have gotten stuck. If Yuna has been thinking of retiring and ATS is no longer using Brian for their shows - possibly for contractual reasons it makes the problems seem less between Brian and Yuna and more between Brian/IMG and ATS.
 
janetfan said:
I was not aware that Brian had an alternate career producing ice shows for IMG. Maybe IMG is interested in having him do that in the future. But that again points to a conflict of sorts with ATS who coincidentily seem to produce Yuna's shows on the same dates as some of the IMG shows.

And Ms Park did not leave IMG or IB on the best of terms so Brian may have gotten stuck. If Yuna has been thinking of retiring and ATS is no longer using Brian for their shows - possibly for contractual reasons it makes the problems seem less between Brian and Yuna and more between Brian/IMG and ATS.
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Whats the big deal if Yu-na's shows are on the same date. Aren't the shows in seperate states? And I'm sure skaters schedules is in issue. Besides I highly doubt Team Yu-na thinks it can take down IMG. I think they just want to offer skaters in alternative, and I definetly think IMG wants to keep its monoploy (and monoplies are never good!) In general I dont think IMG is evil by any stretch but I don't think them having an monoply on shows is a good thing for the skaters. They can't employ everyone and it gives them WAY to much power.

Its a great thing the Kims are doing by starting up shows and offering the skaters an alternative. It truly is. I don't blame Brian if he'd rather work for IMG especially when he and Mama don't get along, but I don't see why either side has to be made evil.

A lot bad can be said about ATS but I refuse to find it so awful that they are going to be producing shows.

I was not aware that Brian had an alternate career producing ice shows for IMG. Maybe IMG is interested in having him do that in the future.
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I wasn't saying Brian did, I was just speculating. I mean to coaches really have agents to begin with, who the heck knows.
 
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Money might be the reason the retirement stuff was delayed as I always expected. I figured it would be a Michelle Kwan sort of thing. Coming back? Maybe. ;)
 
janetfan said:
I was not aware that Brian had an alternate career producing ice shows for IMG. Maybe IMG is interested in having him do that in the future. But that again points to a conflict of sorts with ATS who coincidentily seem to produce Yuna's shows on the same dates as some of the IMG shows.
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Earlier in the decade he produced teh Skate the Nation (?? I think that's what it was called) shows in Canada. It was a smallish tour that I think he had dreams of growing. Then the pro world in North America tanked and IMG decided to focus on saving SOI, leaving Brian in the dark.
 
janetfan said:
I don't think Yuna felt betrayed by Brian a few months ago.
This "uncomfotable feeling" started when Ms Park decided she wanted to start up her own agency. When Brian did not jump at the chance to sign with her and did not deliver Adam and Christina the relationship changed.

After the Olympics things seemed to be fine. Then Brian was off to Korea and made and honorary citizen of Seoul.

Then Brian re-signed with his agency and suddenly things were not the same.
I think this is the best theory we have heard - "skating mom goes mad with power and fires daughter's coach for insuffiencient loyalty.

The test message had a puzzling line - "I know exactly what's going on now"

Yuna seems to admit as Brian said that before when he talked to her she did not understand what was happening. Interpret this anyway you like, but Yuna's own message confirms what Brian had said.

I did not understand before but "I know exactly what's going on now."

I never doubted that Brian was truthful but have big doubts about everything we have heard from ATS and the entire Kim camp.


Nothing else has happened that we know of that could have caused such a bitter, brutal. callous parting of the ways.

Good luck with ATS. I suspect it will only last as long as Yuna can bring in the big bucks. Other skaters, seeing what has happened to Min Jung may not be so quick to sign up.

I surely hope Adam and Christina keep far away from ATS.
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There is a difference between ”I know what’s going on” and “I know what’s going on now.” The first sentence is “unmarked” (“not emphasized”) while the second uses two linguistic devices to convey the same thing: One is a syntactic device (i.e., the present progressive structure), and the other an adverbial modifier (i.e., “now”). This linguistic “redundancy” gives rise to a sense of emphasis and, implicitly, a possibility of contrast. Hence, it plausibly leads to such interpretations as “I know what is going on NOW but NOT what was going on BEFORE”.
 
skatinginbc said:
There is a difference between ”I know what’s going on” and “I know what’s going on now.” The first sentence is “unmarked” (“not emphasized”) while the second uses two linguistic devices to convey the same thing: One is a syntactic device (i.e., the present progressive structure), and the other an adverbial modifier (i.e., “now”). This linguistic “redundancy” gives rise to a sense of emphasis and, implicitly, a possibility of contrast. Hence, it plausibly leads to such interpretations as “I know what is going on NOW but NOT what was going on BEFORE”.
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Given that Yuna doesn't seem to be all that fluent in English, do you think she engages with the language with such a precise command and understanding?

I really wonder if Yuna was kept in the dark the whole time about the conflict between Brian-IMG and Momma Yuna-ATS, if, that is, that ever was the major cause of the nasty breakup. For argument's sake, let's assume it was, in which case:

Maybe the twitter and CyWorld message was Yuna and her mom trying to blow smoke over the situation. They probably don't want it to be known that they fired Brian because he wouldn't choose ATS over IMG. ATS is a small firm and they can't afford to be in conflict with IMG. Momma Kim must surely know that. So they came up with these 'personal' messages from Yuna full of innuendos about Mao, long withstanding conflict between Brian and Yuna, all these red herrings to make the public not realize that this was actually a simple story about a smaller firm trying to orchestrate a takeover and failing.

It worked quite well too. It took us nearly two days of discussion to see it clearly. Quite a clever daughter-mother pair!
 
hurrah said:
Given that Yuna doesn't seem to be all that fluent in English, do you think she engages with the language with such a precise command and understanding?

I really wonder if Yuna was kept in the dark the whole time about the conflict between Brian-IMG and Momma Yuna-ATS, if, that is, that ever was the major cause of the nasty breakup. For argument's sake, let's assume it was, in which case:

Maybe the twitter and CyWorld message was Yuna and her mom trying to blow smoke over the situation. They probably don't want it to be known that they fired Brian because he wouldn't choose ATS over IMG. ATS is a small firm and they can't afford to be in conflict with IMG. Momma Kim must surely know that. So they came up with these 'personal' messages from Yuna full of innuendos about Mao, long withstanding conflict between Brian and Yuna, all these red herrings to make the public not realize that this was actually a simple story about a smaller firm trying to orchestrate a takeover and failing.

It worked quite well too. It took us nearly two days of discussion to see it clearly. Quite a clever daughter-mother pair!
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In the field of Linguistics and Second Language Acquisition, there is such thing called "universal grammar", which holds true across languages. It is because there exist some smiliarities in human thought process regardless of language background. If one wants to emphasize "how blue the sky is" (the emphasis is on "blue"), he will choose from whatever linguistic devices he knows of and feels best to modify the blueness of the sky (e.g., so blue, very blue). If she intends to emphasize the fact of "knowing", she would have focused on "Know" and said something like "ALWAYS know", "DO know", and so on. It is not a natural human mistake when your focus is on "Blue" but put all your lexical emphases on "Timing". It is not a "mistake" due to language barriers.

However, putting the word "now" in a wrong place (syntactic level) could be a mistake made by a non-native speaker who hardly can tell any difference between "I know what's going on now" and "Now I know what's going on." But the concept of timing ("now", lexical level, such a basic word that I don't think she was unclear of its meaning) must be in her head when she put that word in her speech.
 
skatinginbc said:
In the field of Linguistics and Second Language Acquisition, there is such thing called "universal grammar", which holds true across languages. It is because there exist some smiliarities in human thought process regardless of language background. If one wants to emphasize "how blue the sky is" (the emphasis is on "blue"), he will choose from whatever linguistic devices he knows of and feels best to modify the blueness of the sky (e.g., so blue, very blue). If she intends to emphasize the fact of "knowing", she would have focused on "Know" and said something like "ALWAYS know", "DO know", and so on. It is not a natural human mistake when your focus is on "Blue" but put all your lexical emphases on "Timing". It is not a "mistake" due to language barriers.

However, putting the word "now" in a wrong place (syntactic level) could be a mistake made by a non-native speaker who hardly can tell any difference between "I know what's going on now" and "Now I know what's going on." But the concept of timing ("now", lexical level, such a basic word that I don't think she was unclear of its meaning) must be in her head when she put that word in her speech.
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I couldn't tell the difference between "I know what is going on" and "I know what is going on now"...except..."now" is unnecessary.

I'm 99% sure ALL THAT SPORTS is created...
To save Huge chunk(up to 50%) of Yuna's earning from CF and SHOW...being taken away...as fee and commission by sports agency.

ATS does not have any capacity or resource to sign...BIG NAME skaters or coaches.
It is only capable of organizing ony Yuna's show with the help by Orser or Wilson.

And Mr. Koo who gave this idea of creating Yuna's own agency is doing all operational works...MR Koo worked for IBS.

I think it is unfair to describe a DEDICATED MOTHER as a business demon...I think that is...what's going on now...sorry...what's going on.
Did ATS sign anybody other than...commercially useless two junior skaters?...to help them to train with "saved money".

Please...be considerate to others...when you post.
I'm not talking to you now... skatingbc...you are one of the posters make sense.
 
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SkatingAnalyst said:
I couldn't tell the difference between "I know what is going on" and "I know what is going on now"...except..."now" is unnecessary.

I'm 99% sure ALL THAT SPORTS is created...
To save Huge chunk(up to 50%) of Yuna's earning from CF and SHOW...being taken away...as fee and commission by sports agency.

ATS does not have any capacity or resource to sign...BIG NAME skaters or coaches.
It is only capable of organizing ony Yuna's show with the help by Orser or Wilson.

And Mr. Koo who gave this idea of creating Yuna's own agency is doing all operational works...MR Koo worked for IBS.

I think it is unfair to describe a DEDICATED MOTHER as a business demon...I think that is...what's going on now...sorry...what's going on.
Did ATS sign anybody other than...commercially useless two junior skaters?...to help them to train with "saved money".

Please...be considerate to others...when you post.
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You confused me. The first sentence was related to my post and I got your point. But the rest...I really don't know where that comes from. I guess you are not talking to me, am I right?
 
SkatingAnalyst said:
Did ATS sign anybody other than...commercially useless two junior skaters?...to help them to train with "saved money".
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Chi Soyeon, 19, a promising female soccor player.
http://news.donga.com/3//20100830/30826392/1

What do you mean 'considerate to others'?

So, Mr. Koo could have offered Mr. Orser to join the ATS, new, inexperienced in the international field?
I heard his name and his previous company but this is doubtful.:think:
 
SkatingAnalyst said:
I realized the mistake and edited my post already. sorry.
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Statement 1: "Brian lied"
Statement 2: "It is Brian that lied."

In the semantic level, there is no difference between statement 1 and statement 2. However, they are different pragmatically (in emphasis/contrast).

Statement 3: "I know what's going on"
Statement 4: "I know what's going on now."

In the semantic level, there is no difference between statement 3 and statement 4. However, the concept of timing was in a conscious level to speaker #4.
 
skatinginbc said:
Statement 1: "Brian lied"
Statement 2: "It is Brian that lied."

In the semantic level, there is no difference between statement 1 and statement 2. However, they are different pragmatically (in emphasis/contrast).

Statement 3: "I know what's going on"
Statement 4: "I know what's going on now."

In the semantic level, there is no difference between statement 3 and statement 4. However, the concept of timing was in a conscious level to speaker #4.
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I agree. You must a English or a liguistics teacher.
And I'm 100% sure... Yuna does not even understand what you're talking about.
 
janetfan
According to you I only argue with my mother, si muchacho?
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Yet another pointless statement.

So you are saying it is better for Yuna to disappear until her LA show?
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No, I don't say this. I say, that she is free to keep the reasons for herself. And no one should demand her to disclose them or make conclusions about her personality based on this, [snip]

Mathman
I think what Hurrah is saying is that when you have millions of people chanting your name, sooner or later you start believing your own hype. In short, it is hard to resist thinking you're "all that."
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Maybe, but until now it appeared that she resisted. Even after Olympic games, and what happened during Worlds 2010 wasn't a triumph.
 
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