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Sasha had a problem on her spiral sequence so I am assuming that is where the deduction came from because other than that the program was quite good. I enjoyed and wasn't really expecting to.
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gracefulswan said:
Sasha did not skate a perfect program so you cannot complain. The final marks are the sum total of everything the skater did; not just one or two elements that were done great or not so great. There is a lot of prejudging going on on boards right now. Why don't you wait until you have actually SEEN the competition?
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Vash01 said:
EXACTLY! For many weeks I've been reading about how Irina would win the World Title AND that she would probably not deserve it! Isn't it amazing how many people seem to have access to crystal balls? I'd like to get one of those!
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Sasha has a lot of ground to make up to win the gold, and she'd have to do so in front of a partisan audience. I think it will be an exciting finish. I would like to see Carolina Kostner live up to past hype and land on the podium.
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Irina is going to help Sasha make up that ground.
Caro skated fantastic. As for MK's chances, it doesn't surprise me that she made up so much ground for Spartacus b/c she was very comfortable with that program at Nationals. I think she's going to lose ground with Bolero b/c she's not comfortable with that program.
When Sasha wins worlds, I hope Dick and Peggy will stick their perfect program expectations where the sun don't shine.
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Well now that I have seen the skates, I can safely say that I like Cohen, Kwan and Costner's performances all better than Irina's.
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Russia winning gold in every event, except mens (but only because Plushy wd-highly suspect after this debauchery he'd have won had he skated, good or bad). They were 1-2 in pairs, they could come out in their skate guards and still win the dance. If Irina wins the ladies, they can say they won it all except mens and only because Plushy wd. A little "to Russia with love" from the ISU.
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Thanks STL...
I realized a bit too late that they were showing more (tape delay) of the Ladies SP. I'm so glad I got to see Ando, Irina, Sasha and Elena.
The only "wuzrobbed" I've got in mind right now if for Rochette. I haven't seen Kwan, Shiz, Fumie and probably one or two more yet.
BTW - Sasha's deduction was for time. She definitely had a mistake in the spiral sequence, but rather than plop down on her rear, or put her foot down, she held on and saved it. I give her props for that. I thought it was a pretty exciting skate. And I'll say the same for Slute.
THANKS!!!! I cut and pasted the Russian "keywords" because I sure don't want to miss anything tomorrow morning!!!!
DG
STL_Blues_fan said:
I realized a bit too late that they were showing more (tape delay) of the Ladies SP. I'm so glad I got to see Ando, Irina, Sasha and Elena.
The only "wuzrobbed" I've got in mind right now if for Rochette. I haven't seen Kwan, Shiz, Fumie and probably one or two more yet.
BTW - Sasha's deduction was for time. She definitely had a mistake in the spiral sequence, but rather than plop down on her rear, or put her foot down, she held on and saved it. I give her props for that. I thought it was a pretty exciting skate. And I'll say the same for Slute.
THANKS!!!! I cut and pasted the Russian "keywords" because I sure don't want to miss anything tomorrow morning!!!!
DG
I wasn't buying the whole Irina precoronation thing and I even defended her in Euros until I saw the SP's and the BS judging.
Irina was held up: huge mistake on the combo and in her final spin, not only did she travel but she had a huge form break on the last postion change (almost fell out of the spin). If that's not being held up I don't know what is.
Arakawa: Beautiful program and as far as I am concerned, she outclasses this field. However upon closer inspection, she did travel on all of her spins. Not as horribly as Irina but b/c Arakawa is such a neat skater, you can't tell there is anything wrong with her spins until you look at her feet on the ice. I don't know the standing, how she placed in comparison to MK , but that program was a hell of a lot more difficult than any of the programs that the other ladies presented and she should have been rewarded for that. She was the only skater who had distinct entrances and steps into all of her jumps (including the combo) and she sold her footwork and her spins and COE spins were very difficult. I actually think TT did her a disservice in choreographing such a difficult program for Shizzy b/c Shizzy would have no problem nailing an easier program.
Michelle: This spartacus was performed as well as she did at Nats so I'm not surprised she made up some ground. If this program outscored Shizzy's it would be a crime b/c it was no where near ambitious and she had a slight bobble on the back-outside Y spiral. She did all of her jumps very well and it doesn't surprise me she got the scores. Her non-jump elements weren't as ambitious as the other top ladies.
Carolina: One of the best SP. No one covers the ice like CArolina and she had a 3f-3toe!!
Sasha Cohen: Very good SP and sold it very well. There is no comparison between Sasha and Irina and the fact that Irina beat Sasha in the SP is grounds for a fix (esp with those serious errors). Though payback is a mother and what comes around goes around. Sasha is going to win the whole thing.
I just saw the complete results... no way should MK have pulled higher scores for skating skills etc than Arakawa. The only place MK should be leading is the technical mark b/c she landed all of her jumps perfectly.
Irina was held up: huge mistake on the combo and in her final spin, not only did she travel but she had a huge form break on the last postion change (almost fell out of the spin). If that's not being held up I don't know what is.
Arakawa: Beautiful program and as far as I am concerned, she outclasses this field. However upon closer inspection, she did travel on all of her spins. Not as horribly as Irina but b/c Arakawa is such a neat skater, you can't tell there is anything wrong with her spins until you look at her feet on the ice. I don't know the standing, how she placed in comparison to MK , but that program was a hell of a lot more difficult than any of the programs that the other ladies presented and she should have been rewarded for that. She was the only skater who had distinct entrances and steps into all of her jumps (including the combo) and she sold her footwork and her spins and COE spins were very difficult. I actually think TT did her a disservice in choreographing such a difficult program for Shizzy b/c Shizzy would have no problem nailing an easier program.
Michelle: This spartacus was performed as well as she did at Nats so I'm not surprised she made up some ground. If this program outscored Shizzy's it would be a crime b/c it was no where near ambitious and she had a slight bobble on the back-outside Y spiral. She did all of her jumps very well and it doesn't surprise me she got the scores. Her non-jump elements weren't as ambitious as the other top ladies.
Carolina: One of the best SP. No one covers the ice like CArolina and she had a 3f-3toe!!
Sasha Cohen: Very good SP and sold it very well. There is no comparison between Sasha and Irina and the fact that Irina beat Sasha in the SP is grounds for a fix (esp with those serious errors). Though payback is a mother and what comes around goes around. Sasha is going to win the whole thing.
I just saw the complete results... no way should MK have pulled higher scores for skating skills etc than Arakawa. The only place MK should be leading is the technical mark b/c she landed all of her jumps perfectly.
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I haven't seen the performances yet, but I am starting to make a little more sense of the component scores. The two component areas where Michelle scored the worst, were Transitions (6.93) and Choreography (7.18) These are indeed the areas where Michelle's programs are most open to criticism under CoP scoring.
Michelle's long program does not address these problems, either. So I think it will be difficult for Michelle to catch Sasha in the long, unless Sasha flubs. Except for the 1 point music deduction Sasha and Irina were in a virtual dead heat in the short. I expect the podium to be Irina, Sasha, Michelle.
(Now won't I look stupid if it is Miki, Shizuka and Carolina!)
Mathman
Michelle's long program does not address these problems, either. So I think it will be difficult for Michelle to catch Sasha in the long, unless Sasha flubs. Except for the 1 point music deduction Sasha and Irina were in a virtual dead heat in the short. I expect the podium to be Irina, Sasha, Michelle.
(Now won't I look stupid if it is Miki, Shizuka and Carolina!)
Mathman
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I caught some of the SP on raisport? (the Italian one, there's a link posted at FSU). Anyway, I saw Dyrt - who I'd never seen before, Rochette, Kwan, Sebestyen, Poikyo, Costner, Suguri, Ando, Slute and Choen. I've never said this about anybody before, but Sasha wuz robbed! I thought her program was superior to Slute's completely. Of course, I was watching it on a tiny 4" video player thingy.
On the other hand, maybe what Slute did on the combo should be a new requirement - tripple jump/spin/another jump. It's probably a miracle that she didn't land on her butt after that first jump. Wowzee!
Too bad about Sasha's 1.00 deduction, but at least she didn't splat. It's not like I could tell how far over the time she went though. My audio was ahead of the video and just about everybody ended up after the music, applause in the wrong places, etc. But I'm not complianing too much. At least I got to see it. I can't wait to see this on ESPN.
On the other hand, maybe what Slute did on the combo should be a new requirement - tripple jump/spin/another jump. It's probably a miracle that she didn't land on her butt after that first jump. Wowzee!
Too bad about Sasha's 1.00 deduction, but at least she didn't splat. It's not like I could tell how far over the time she went though. My audio was ahead of the video and just about everybody ended up after the music, applause in the wrong places, etc. But I'm not complianing too much. At least I got to see it. I can't wait to see this on ESPN.
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childfreegirl said:
After seeing Slute's skate, I'd call that NEW combo. A triple, ILLUSION, double.
From the info I've seen, Sasha's time was exactly one second over. I don't think it matters whether you are 1 second or 10 seconds over - same overtime deduction. I hope she doesn't live to regret that tomorrow.... I really do hope she does well!!
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Yeah, I thought that looked like an illusion, but I couldn't put the name to it. My mom, of all people, knew what it was when I described it to her.
I understand about the time deduction. It's just with that slightly delayed audio, it seemed like she was way over the music, but like I said before, b/c of the delay, almost everybody I saw was looking like that. I hope it dosen't bite her in the butt too.
I understand about the time deduction. It's just with that slightly delayed audio, it seemed like she was way over the music, but like I said before, b/c of the delay, almost everybody I saw was looking like that. I hope it dosen't bite her in the butt too.
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Mathman said:
As usual, I totally agree Mathman... Throughout the drama of this World's, I will say that the two people I feel the worse for are Caro & Miki... With how close this competition has gotten, I wouldn't want a pi&&ed off MK coming after me & Irina skating at home ... The final is gonna be good! Yay!
Kwanford Wife
Sasha, Sasha, Sasha! After Michelle got the time deduction last year, even though in her case it didn't affect the results, Why O Why not leave yourself some wiggle room on that? But glad to hear she's put two strong, though not "perfect" programs together. Now there's that one to go that, at least in the past, has been Nemesis.
Okay, between the Fumie Suguri in 8th after the QR/SP scores and Irina in first, there is a difference of just under 10 points (check my math; did it in my head; always a dangerous place). IMO, any one of the top 6 could win. Any three of the top 8 could make up the podium. And after seeing Joubert's meltdown in the men's LP last night, a lot of things could happen in terms of outcome.
I haven't seen any of the SPs, so I can't/won't comment on the judging. The only thing I will say is that had Sasha not had the 1.0 time deduction, she would be only .47 points behind Irina. My point is that Sasha contributed the biggest deduction to herself; the judges didn't.
Also, one of the points of the COP (how's that for great writing MM, lol?) was to lessen the dominance of jumps in terms of the final outcome. Thus somebody would, theoretically, not lose the entire competition because of one mistake on one jump in the SP. But, having said that, I haven't seen the SPs so I can't comment on the scores Irina got.
OTOH, at least from what I've seen in decades of watching Worlds, there's always a bias towards skaters from the host country. It's not right nor fair, but it exists just as much in North America, Asia, and Western Europe as it does in Eastern Europe and Russia, IMHO.
BTW, are they still showing the ladies SPs online anywhere? Mainly I want to see the skaters we'll never see on US TV. Also, I'm confused. Did they show the ladies SP on ESPN early this morning or was that online? Doggygirl! I need your help!
And finally, because Worlds is over for her again this year, I'd like to cite the athletic spirit of Shireen Human from the Republic of South Africa. I've never seen her, but for a number of years she's represented her country at Worlds, every year she ends up near the bottom, and every year she keeps coming back, the only representative in figure skating of the African continent. Good for you, Shireen. Perhaps in 20 years, you'll do for one or more of the African countries what Yao Bin has done for China.
Same goes for Michelle Cantu of Mexico. I can't imagine either Mexico or anyplace in Africa has much in the way of figure skating facilities nor the funds to support them.
Rgirl
Okay, between the Fumie Suguri in 8th after the QR/SP scores and Irina in first, there is a difference of just under 10 points (check my math; did it in my head; always a dangerous place). IMO, any one of the top 6 could win. Any three of the top 8 could make up the podium. And after seeing Joubert's meltdown in the men's LP last night, a lot of things could happen in terms of outcome.
I haven't seen any of the SPs, so I can't/won't comment on the judging. The only thing I will say is that had Sasha not had the 1.0 time deduction, she would be only .47 points behind Irina. My point is that Sasha contributed the biggest deduction to herself; the judges didn't.
Also, one of the points of the COP (how's that for great writing MM, lol?) was to lessen the dominance of jumps in terms of the final outcome. Thus somebody would, theoretically, not lose the entire competition because of one mistake on one jump in the SP. But, having said that, I haven't seen the SPs so I can't comment on the scores Irina got.
OTOH, at least from what I've seen in decades of watching Worlds, there's always a bias towards skaters from the host country. It's not right nor fair, but it exists just as much in North America, Asia, and Western Europe as it does in Eastern Europe and Russia, IMHO.
BTW, are they still showing the ladies SPs online anywhere? Mainly I want to see the skaters we'll never see on US TV. Also, I'm confused. Did they show the ladies SP on ESPN early this morning or was that online? Doggygirl! I need your help!
And finally, because Worlds is over for her again this year, I'd like to cite the athletic spirit of Shireen Human from the Republic of South Africa. I've never seen her, but for a number of years she's represented her country at Worlds, every year she ends up near the bottom, and every year she keeps coming back, the only representative in figure skating of the African continent. Good for you, Shireen. Perhaps in 20 years, you'll do for one or more of the African countries what Yao Bin has done for China.
Same goes for Michelle Cantu of Mexico. I can't imagine either Mexico or anyplace in Africa has much in the way of figure skating facilities nor the funds to support them.
Rgirl
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Rgirl said:
Don't play... the ladies haven't competed yet, have they? If so, where is this coming from.... I'm too old to be toyed with...
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