Ladies Short Program
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Tomorrow, we may have a one hit wonder like 2006 as a new world champion.
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SO HAPPY to hear Kimmie did well!!!!!!!!
3 Spots Still Possible for Next Year???
Who would have thought? 3 clean programs for the American girls! :agree:
For Liang (10th) & Wagner (11th), they both have a chance to take 8th place. The rest of the field is extremely strong, but Korpi & Meier have been inconsistent; although 8 points is a lot to make up.
If either Liang or Wagner is able to take 8th, Meissner needs at least 5th to earn 3 sports for the U.S. next year. It's going to be an uphill climb though.
Who would have thought? 3 clean programs for the American girls! :agree:
For Liang (10th) & Wagner (11th), they both have a chance to take 8th place. The rest of the field is extremely strong, but Korpi & Meier have been inconsistent; although 8 points is a lot to make up.
If either Liang or Wagner is able to take 8th, Meissner needs at least 5th to earn 3 sports for the U.S. next year. It's going to be an uphill climb though.
I'm no expert but I thought Bebe's PCS were a little low.
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Kimmie's triple Flip was downgraded (at least that's what the German commentators said when they looked at the protocols).
I think that the judging is not that bad. The only thing that's debatable is the placing of Kiira Korpi. Rochette and Meier should be ahead of her, but I think that's personal preference. Meier's jumps are very tiny and Korpi suggests more security on the ice. I just think that Meier's spins are that much better. Rochette I love, especially this short - she chooses great and difficult music and interpreted it really well. So I would say Rochette and Meier in front of Korpi.
But apart from that... Miki Ando was judged fairly (and she is the World Champion!!) and I hope she got dinged for that dismal sitspin, Yu-Na Kim had just that one mistake on the solo jump and she may have been a bit more tentative than normal but I thought the program was great and she seemed to skate more to the music than before (plus the Triple-Triple was probably the best of the day).
Asada got a deduction of 1,5GOE on the Flutz, Kostner probably didn't get much more deduction for her step-out/fall out. I don't think Asada deserved higher marks. They are apart by 0,28 points, so practically even.
I think that the judging is not that bad. The only thing that's debatable is the placing of Kiira Korpi. Rochette and Meier should be ahead of her, but I think that's personal preference. Meier's jumps are very tiny and Korpi suggests more security on the ice. I just think that Meier's spins are that much better. Rochette I love, especially this short - she chooses great and difficult music and interpreted it really well. So I would say Rochette and Meier in front of Korpi.
But apart from that... Miki Ando was judged fairly (and she is the World Champion!!) and I hope she got dinged for that dismal sitspin, Yu-Na Kim had just that one mistake on the solo jump and she may have been a bit more tentative than normal but I thought the program was great and she seemed to skate more to the music than before (plus the Triple-Triple was probably the best of the day).
Asada got a deduction of 1,5GOE on the Flutz, Kostner probably didn't get much more deduction for her step-out/fall out. I don't think Asada deserved higher marks. They are apart by 0,28 points, so practically even.
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Your comment is very good. Exactly what I would like to say. 2006 and 2007 world champion out of the top six. Seems fair enough to me.
And yes, Miki , she has nothing to lose now. Land the quad!
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Meissner is right there where she belongs.
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It should still make for an interesting night tomorrow night. It really is anyone's came. One fall or mistake by someone and they could lose it all!!! I am really looking fowared to it. And I am going to hold out hope that the US will hold three spots!!
That's a well thought out analysis. Judging seemed iffy to me, a very average viewer, but even then, reading your comment makes it all fall into place for most part
Thank you! People are describing Kimmie as underwhelming AND her triple flip was downgraded yet she is 5 points ahead of Bebe. Bebe has excellent basic skating skills and a strong abiltiy to interpret music (better then an "on" Meissner IMO) yet nobody seems to blink about her placement, just screaming about Meissner who seemed to do a mediocre job.
Bebe skated so early that I missed her!
So I can't say if her PCS was deserving or not -- although from experience skating early usually hurts your PCS. How did Laura Lepisto stay as high as 15th, for instance? She had a 3T-turn-2T (which, if it even counts for a sequence, would be a 20% deduction), and popped the triple out of footwork. If she wasn't skating in the last group, I think she should go into 20-something.I'm not happy with Mao's score. How did she go behind Carolina?! Even though Mao didn't skate with quite as much sparkle as usual, she had more difficult and elegant spins, and jump contents were about the same (flutz for her, step-out for Carolina). Judges are on crack to put Carolina before her. Every time Mao steps on ice, I'm amazed by her deep edges and out-of-this-world basic skating skills. She flows like nobody else does!
OTOH, I don't think the Europeans were "held up" -- they really skated with more confidence, joy, sparkle, and speed than the NA's and Asians. Home advantage or something -- there seemed to be a huge amount of cheering for every West European skater. Somehow their skating picked up the energy of the audience, and they all turned in near-perfect programs. That was really amazing!
Yu-na did land a gorgeous 3/3, Joannie/Miki did not, and Joannie wasn't clean on her lutz.. So when you think about it that's fair. Honestly, I'm not sure if Yu-na can medal. Don't get me wrong, I think we can count on Kostner making mistakes. But Rochette/Nakano have been fairly consistent in the long, and Yu-na's conditioning is seriously in question.
I hope that maybe they can have the girl take it easy until her skate. (Let her rest, so as to save up her energy.) She can land those jumps and has even landed them in practice, (although I'm not sure about all at once....)
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I think Bebe was seriously lowballed. Her spins weren't held as long as usual, though.
I think Mao behind Kostner is not unexpected. Mao's flutz warrants a huge deduction, probably as much as Kostner's step-out, and Kostner's 3-3 was terrific. Mao was also hurt by lower levels on her elements.
I think Mao behind Kostner is not unexpected. Mao's flutz warrants a huge deduction, probably as much as Kostner's step-out, and Kostner's 3-3 was terrific. Mao was also hurt by lower levels on her elements.
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Thanks, Medusa. I haven't seen the programs yet (just followed the PBP's) but your analysis has given me a clearer picture of the placements. Looking forward to the FS!
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Ok...so the ISU website is now up and running..there's a surprise
Kimmie's PCs score was 26.71
Nakano's was 26.27
Korpii's was 26.36
Joannie's was 26.54
Had Kimmie had higher TES scores she woud have been much higher places then she was......by the way I don't really have a point.....just kind of wanted to put this out there....I guess it's just mindless rambling.
Kimmie's PCs score was 26.71
Nakano's was 26.27
Korpii's was 26.36
Joannie's was 26.54
Had Kimmie had higher TES scores she woud have been much higher places then she was......by the way I don't really have a point.....just kind of wanted to put this out there....I guess it's just mindless rambling.
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It's not mindless rambling. It just proves that Kimmie wasn't punished without reason, or hold down or anything. Yes, she landed the jumps but I don't think she deserves positive GOE for one of them. Neither does Nakano - but Nakano's spins were amazing today, she probably scored much more with them than Kimmie with her rather slow and average ones. Nakano also had an amazing step sequence beautifully to the music, it was difficult with fast twizzles and looked effortless. Really, if it weren't for that horrible leg wrap - Nakano would be a top contender for a medal, even without Triple-Triple (she got that Triple Axel for that). She is good out there.
Rochette and Korpi look strong and good out there, they land those jumps with conviction, they had good footwork and spins, not superior but good - so they got the fourth and fifth highest TES, even without a Triple-Triple.
I love Nakano. IMO, she's been undermarked for years so it's nice to see her get more cred this season and be up with the big girls.
And I agree, Meissner's spins and footwork have always been mediocre. Not that special. I'm more perturbed by Wagner and Liang being undermarked.
And I agree, Meissner's spins and footwork have always been mediocre. Not that special. I'm more perturbed by Wagner and Liang being undermarked.
When Korpi does well in the SP she usually bombs the LP...so I figure she'll be lucky to stay in top 10. Meissner should be in top 5...crappy judging. And Ando, who fell, she should be in 10 or lower...
Any idea where I can get a reply of the top 10? I don't get anything live.
