Medvedeva leaving Eteri

[cruzceleste]

I wonder if she will live alone or with her mom in Canada?

My money is with her mom, does she have brothers or sisters?

 

[yume]

Even if Evgenia doesn't improve, it's not going to be Orser's fault. I'm honestly also a bit confused why he would take her on, because I remember an interview where he said he usually takes on pupils who are not quite there yet.

I'm surprised too. Even if Yuzu was already a world medalist he was still unpolished. Javier didn't win a big medal yet. All his girls had nothing on senior circuit. So it's surprising to see him take a world champion and olympic medalist as student.

 

[yoloaxel]

I'm surprised too. Even if Yuzu was already a world medalist he was still unpolished. Javier didn't win big medal yet. All her girls had nothing on senior circuit. So it's surprising to see him take a world champion and olympic medalist as student.

I think it's simply a different challenge: she is at a point in her career where she could start declining, potentially. Or she could affirm herself as the best of her 'era', winning more next year and becoming a skater with longevity.

 

[rikaquegira]

So I guess this confirms Eteri is for little girls.
She has an age limit, apparently.
I won’t criticise her though... Each coach has its methods and goals. Eteri wants champions, she wants medals. I think she thinks after 18 you’re just going downwards and won’t be able to deliver.
If it’s like that leaving her is the best thing Evgenia can do. And I hope Alina does too in the not distant future.
I think that’s going to be the cycle then, in Eteri’s camp.
And even with the new rules coming up(that will affect backloading and that should affect GOEs) I think Eteri camp will remain full of potential champions, Eteri has showed she knows how to milk points out of the system and she will continue to do so.

 

[Fluffice]

Me right now: https://i.imgur.com/iJIW89B.gif

So far it seems like two (russian) sources are reporting that Evgenia is moving out of Russia and training with BOrser:

http://allsportinfo.ru/index.php?id=116256
https://www.championat.com/other/ne...va-budet-trenirovatsja-u-orsera-v-kanade.html

I'm still waiting for official confirmation and more sources because this does sound too good to be true still

Personally I agree with the move. I think training away from the internal competition in Russia and having some new rinkmates, at least for a little bit, might do some good. Eteri is a good coach, but there are things she does that I don't agree with.

Fresh choreography will be nice, I'll tell you that. I'm also hoping that her jumping techniques can get tweaked a little bit and not be as bad.

 

[MaiKatze]

Evgenia’s PCS comes from politicking and consistency, not from her actual skating.
Her GOEs are nonsense for most of her jumps. Her technique is pretty flawed - she muscles her combos, she has a flutz, she pre-rotates a lot and her Toe pick is always at least suspicious, and she even under rotates sometimes, plus her 2A is some of the worst. I’m not bashing her, just listing everything that she could improve with Orser because Eteri clearly doesn’t mind poor jumping technique.
With that said, I understand why some people are thinking “oh, how nice of Orser to accept Medvedeva..” Because although she is a huge champion she virtually has a long way to go, technically and artistically.
Of course she has the potential and with someone like Orser, in a completely different environment, different people around her, helping her, she can definitely improve a lot, she’s a hard worker.
I wish her all the best! If this is really happening, I can’t believe my dream of seeing her skating a program from another choreographer will come true!!! Please let it be Shae!!! Or even David Wilson or Buttle!!!! [emoji120]

That might be true, but is that really important? With all these flaws you listed, she was still unbeatable for two years until Zagitova came around. And in Russian Ladies figure skating these days, it's Game OVER when you reached a certain age. Those who come behind will have a ten or twenty point advantage with their 3A's and 4Lutzes. She can improve, of course she can, but even if she does, that won't be reflected in her scores, becaus she already got these scores. She got these scores not because she is the greatest skater of all time, but because she showed incredible consistency, something that was rarely or almost never seen before. Next season she can still win, and perhaps become World Champion again, but I think by the season 19/20 she will have trouble making the russian team. Not because she's bad, no, because the others are superior in tech. At her age I don't think she can learn a quad, and her 2Axel is not good enough to become a 3A. If she were anything other than Russian, this all wouldn't be a problem. She said she dreams of a career like Carolina Kostner. But that's not the reality in Russia. Brian Orser won't care. He doesn't have to prove anything. If she doesn't bring the results, everyone will say, it's because of her age and body that cannot match the younger generation. It certainly won't be his fault.

 

[Eclair]

I thinks Evgenia leaving is less about Alina and more about Trusova and Kostornaya ... it's pretty certain that Trusova will have a way harder tech than Evgenia once she's senior (is it already next season?) and Kostornaya has more of a PCS leeway. Either way, good for Evgenia to wanting to improve in other areas (as SS and jump quality) by moving to Orser :2thumbs: I'm not a fan of Etei's coaching style, but you have to give it to her - all her girls have amazing personalities!

 

[HanDomi]

I think moving to Borser will be great for her. Great programs + he can tweak her jump technique

 

[chopinskate]

That might be true, but is that really important? With all these flaws you listed, she was still unbeatable for two years until Zagitova came around. And in Russian Ladies figure skating these days, it's Game OVER when you reached a certain age. Those who come behind will have a ten or twenty point advantage with their 3A's and 4Lutzes. She can improve, of course she can, but even if she does, that won't be reflected in her scores, becaus she already got these scores. She got these scores not because she is the greatest skater of all time, but because she showed incredible consistency, something that was rarely or almost never seen before. Next season she can still win, and perhaps become World Champion again, but I think by the season 19/20 she will have trouble making the russian team. Not because she's bad, no, because the others are superior in tech. At her age I don't think she can learn a quad, and her 2Axel is not good enough to become a 3A. If she were anything other than Russian, this all wouldn't be a problem. She said she dreams of a career like Carolina Kostner. But that's not the reality in Russia. Brian Orser won't care. He doesn't have to prove anything. If she doesn't bring the results, everyone will say, it's because of her age and body that cannot match the younger generation. It certainly won't be his fault.

Hmmm. Yes, this is a good point. Unless Med learns a quad, and does it consistently, will she ever keep up with the new gen? Pure technique isn't being rewarded. Med benefited from that, and the future Eteri girls might. Can she learn a 3S-3Lo? Can she fix her 2A and learn a 3A? Her edge jumps are her strength.

Her PCS is already maxed out. Her current tech GOEs are already maxed out. She certainly needs better jumping ability, but she's already getting the points. So what will Orser do for her? She wants to compete, and yes Orser will provide stability and packaging, but will her scores increase further, then? They're already right up there. She'll stay in competition, but in contention? Don't know.

Ultimately, the system of reward needs to factor in quality. And it might now. But unless there's a proven change, is there any real help here? That is a good point.

 

[Alifyre]

Holy jeez, this was the LAST thing I expected to see when I logged onto GS today. I must say though, I'm immensely pleased by this move. I think Med had stagnated under Eteri and was unlikely to progress further with so many other talented skaters breathing down her neck. Brian Orser was of course the only better choice, so it makes a lot of sense that she would go to him if she were to leave Eteri. I wish her luck -- I like her lot as a person, and hope this takes her to the level she seeks as an athlete. I think this is a wonderful opportunity for her to expand her expressive range and come into her own as a true champion.

 

[Yatagarasu]

So I guess this confirms Eteri is for little girls.
She has an age limit, apparently.
I won’t criticise her though... Each coach has its methods and goals. Eteri wants champions, she wants medals. I think she thinks after 18 you’re just going downwards and won’t be able to deliver.

How long will that last though? There will come a point where she is going to find herself forced into dealing with someone 18 or over, and she won't have a clue how to treat a mature woman. It is not the same, not in terms of skating, injuries, anything. It is simply not sustainable to have an ever-revolving door; at some point, it has to break.

This is why I was actually surprised when I first heard about this. I had thought that Zhenya of all people would be the best, as she is her longest - winning, most stable, skater, to guide through this phase and further. But I guess Eteri doesn't build legacies. It is not a good thing so I hope she comes around and changes her approach because it'll be better for her, in the long run.

 

[yume]

If Orser really want to rework her technique she will struggle next season for sure. Because you can't fix things in some months or one season.

 

[Spirals for Miles]

In many ways, I'm very divided about this:

Support: I love Evgenia and she is my favorite skater. If she has decided that this is what's best for her her, with the support of her family and friends, then I will respect and support her no matter what. Just because she's leaving Eteri doesn't mean she can't be successful and it does mean that her flutz is likely to be fixed (maybe take out the tano on that as her edge is much better without the tano) which is what's been holding her back from upgrading technically. She can also work with new choreographers and be exposed to different training mates, as in Yuzu (no I'm not shipping, I promise) She's been with Eteri since she was little and maybe it's time to move on and see what else is out there.

Sadness: I really thought she and Eteri had a great relationship and had figured out that sweet spot where Evgenia knew what Eteri was doing and trusted her. Like it or not, all the runthroughs do produce consistency, which some of Orser's current students don't have, ad Orser will probably put an end to the multiple runthroughs, so while that might be good in terms of avoiding overuse injuries, it might not be best in terms of her consistency and mental security, although I do trust Orser (just not as much as Eteri ) I can't help but think that Evgenia's reputation will suffer in Russia for leaving what many consider as the best coach for ladies in Russia and I'd hate to see what will happen to her PCS at Russian Nationals. Plus, Evgenia seems like TOO hard of a worker for Orser's type, as she's such a perfectionist and wants to do the 3-3-3-3 combinations just to be able to do them And I fear this seals the nail in the coffin for Alina to beat her all next season even if they perform comparably (I do think Alina has earned her victories over Evgenia this season)

I don't know, I just have many little naagging doubts that say "this doesn't seem like such a good idea" And I'm not Evgenia or Orser and I don't know what goes on in their relationships that they'll be forming or already have (she's got to know him at least a little bit to go to him, right?) Maybe it's just my love for Eteri speaking, but I don't think so, because I love Evgenia just as much as I love Eteri, if not more. Maybe it'll turn out to be the best coach-student partnership in the history of the sport, and I'm just concerned. But it doesn't feel quite perfect to me.

 

[skatespin]

That might be true, but is that really important? With all these flaws you listed, she was still unbeatable for two years until Zagitova came around. And in Russian Ladies figure skating these days, it's Game OVER when you reached a certain age. Those who come behind will have a ten or twenty point advantage with their 3A's and 4Lutzes. She can improve, of course she can, but even if she does, that won't be reflected in her scores, becaus she already got these scores. She got these scores not because she is the greatest skater of all time, but because she showed incredible consistency, something that was rarely or almost never seen before. Next season she can still win, and perhaps become World Champion again, but I think by the season 19/20 she will have trouble making the russian team. Not because she's bad, no, because the others are superior in tech. At her age I don't think she can learn a quad, and her 2Axel is not good enough to become a 3A. If she were anything other than Russian, this all wouldn't be a problem. She said she dreams of a career like Carolina Kostner. But that's not the reality in Russia. Brian Orser won't care. He doesn't have to prove anything. If she doesn't bring the results, everyone will say, it's because of her age and body that cannot match the younger generation. It certainly won't be his fault.

I totally get what you mean by even if she improves with Orser it can't really be shown in her scores, since she has nearly maxed out in the current system with her layout. Perhaps rule changes could help her, but if females hypothetically did have quads it probably wouldn't matter, because as you said the point difference is too great. I think the question is though: Are senior female ladies capable of doing rotated quads at least semi-consistently in competition? I'm not so sure if the answer is yes. Triple axels look to be on the rise, but even still we have seen that jump fail Mirai, Mao, Rika, etc. over and over again. We really have yet to see a senior woman who can jump triple axels and quads consistently in competition. Trusova can do it now, but can she do it if she's 17? Personally I think Evgenia is banking on the answer being no. Even among the men we see it causes so much inconsistency and injury, will something like that hold up under pressure when you are at nationals in an Olympic year? How long can a female remain uninjured practicing quads?

 

[Sorrento]

I thinks Evgenia leaving is less about Alina and more about Trusova and Kostornaya ... it's pretty certain that Trusova will have a way harder tech than Evgenia once she's senior (is it already next season?) and Kostornaya has more of a PCS leeway.

No, both Trusova and Kostornaya stay in Juniors for the upcoming season at least.

 

[yoloaxel]

If Orser really want to rework her technique she will struggle next season for sure. Because you can't fix things in some months or one season.

I'm sure they have discussed it though. Orser is very honest with his students, he probably told her what the plan is and what she can expect from it! I think next season will be an adjustment for her.

 

[SnowWhite]

Okay, so assuming she is in fact moving to Brian, my thoughts:

First of all, on whether there's space, Wakaba moving is so far just rumours, we don't know if Boyang is actually moving there, or just doing some work with Brian in the summer or something (didn't they say that Boyang is still working with his current coach too?), and the rumour is that Conrad Orzel's primary coach isn't going to be Brian. So it isn't exactly as crowded as it sounds right now.

Second, it's probably a lot easier for Evgenia to move abroad compared to most Russian skaters. Financially, she's been very successful and has sponsors. And her English is very good. Also there should be at least someone around TCC who speaks Russian with Stephen Gogolev (not that I think she's going to be relying on him or anything, but I'm sure it would be nice to have someone around who speaks your language).

As for choreographers, TCC skaters often work with Jeff Buttle, David Wilson, Shae Lynn Bourne and Lori Nichols. I know she's worked with Jeff at shows. I'd also love to see her with a Shae Lynn program. I'd be interested to she her try working with at least a couple of them actually. It's always nice to see skaters explore different choreo styles.

Anyways, good for her taking a risk and doing what she feels she needs to.

 

[surimi]

Excited to hear this, and happy for Evgenia. I've always admired her consistency and lightness on the ice, and finaly this last season, I've warmed up to her programs as well. I hope the new environment helps her with anything that needs fixing. And for the first time in several years, I'm not worried about her program music choices at all, yay.

TCC is going to become a great and fun environment I think, with these two friends there, meaning Hanyu and Medvedeva, and maybe Wakaba as well? That said-

Weiiiiiiiiiiiiiiirrrrrrd. Really. But good luck to her. Now i don't have faith for Wakaba anymore. She will surely still in Japan.

I don't know, I think it would be the opposite for her and motivate her, make her look forward to training sessions? While it's true Wakaba and Evgenia are rivals when it comes to placements, if it worked for Fernandez and Hanyu, why wouldn't it work for these ladies who are apparently good friends?

I am still in a daze with the turn of events today that said wishing Med Good Luck on her new journey.

Took the words right out of my mouth, 'daze' is the right word to describe my state of mind at the moment. A pleasant daze though.
Good luck, Evgenia!

 

[Danny T]

I don't think her score is going to improve under Orser, that's pretty much impossible anyway with her current scores. But she said she wanted to continue with FS, and this move showed she means serious business & is being smart about this.

Going to TCC will not boost her scores, yes, but if she stays with Eteri they would certainly drop. Because her GOE & PCS are pretty much at the mercy of RusFed & Eteri, and Eteri might like her, but RusFed might not much longer. By going to TCC and actually doing something to earn GOE & PCS, she is taking matters into her own hands & not giving the international judges any chance to doom her. In the best case scenario anyway.

Actually the only concern is Rus Nats. Because if the 3rd Russian lady choice this year shows me something, RusFed can do as they well damn please.

 

[sailormoon]

TASS reports that Evgenia still plans to continue to train at the Sambo-70 centre with another coach and she doesn't want to be coached by Eteri Tutberidze anymore. Evgenia stopped cooperating with Eteri after the hardest season, and Evgenia and Eteri have reached a situation where they have to decide to do something about their difficult relationship. But the director of Sambo-70 hopes that they will reconcile with each other and resolve the situation amicably.