Medvedeva leaving Eteri

[chopinskate]

I'm not bashin on Evgenia, but actually the depth required on lutz and flip jumps are different. A true flip can be jumped with only a slight inside edge, which Yuna did, but a true lutz must have a clear and deeper outside edge compared to the flip. Nobody jumps flip with as deep an inside edge as their lutz. It's just in ISU definition

Trying to oppose counter-rotation and jump up? Lutz. Of course, this will need an outside edge, the deeper the better quality.

Trying to minimize pre-rotation with no counter rotation? Flip. This can't have an outside edge deep enough to produce counter-rotation.

You're right that a slight inside edge is a correct Flip. Wish the people who talk about this put some research into it. But all people do is fight about which fandom is more right.

Well that's why Yuna got calls on her flip & stopped using it at some competitions, bc ISU definitions are the ones that matter not what Yuna's fans call a flip

She never stopped using it. But anyway. This is an old fight.

 

[silverfoxes]

I'm crying because I won't see my favourite russian skaters at the top level ever again. If they only were german, they could have a long career with ups and downs.....:sad46:

If they were German they wouldn't have been at the top level at any point... let's be real.

 

[yume]

She literally never skated a program without a flip...

Maybe he/she meant in combination.

 

[CreepyBug]

I was just shocked. I mean I could see this change in a year's time or two depending on new circumstance, but this feels sudden.

 

[Eclair]

Well that's why Yuna got calls on her flip & stopped using it at some competitions, bc ISU definitions are the ones that matter not what Yuna's fans call a flip

ISU rules allow a flat edge for the flip while it doesn't allow a flat edge for the lutz.

 

[MedoLove]

So, is it official? Well, I'm in shock hahaha. Zhenya is an intelligent and sincere girl. I'm sure she talked everything, and that Eteri understands that this is for Zhenya's sake.
I wish Zhenya the best, she earned every point with effort, and I really think it's crazy to say that Zhenya's pcs are due to Eteri lmao, I remind them that Eteri's reputation was in tatters, and it was thanks Evgenia to its consistency, originality, expression and delivery in difficult times, who raised this reputation, and all her team and Russia itself has benefited from it.


Zhenya has all the potential to be even better. I and thousands of people fell in love with her charisma, her jovial programs, her strong mentality, her safe landings.
I hope she goes to a place where she has attention and a pleasant atmosphere.I Admit that I´m somewhat worried about the hostility she may receive. Also for her mother, she has a stable job in Moscow, she works in an Animation studio as a co-director, so I think it's impossible for her mother to move to another country.
I think if she leaves Eteri, the only decent Russian option would be Mishin, but apparently she aims to go outside.
Maybe her grandmother can accompany her if she leaves Moscow, with Orser, Lambiel or whatever.



I support Zhenya in this decision. Now I look forward to the new music and programs. :luv17:

 

[sweetice]

It's not Eteri's fault that she has so many strong girls in her group, and as a coach, she has a professional duty to do her best for each skater.

I think we have to consider how is working progressively, where is moving the ladies skating movement for that. We can see more about that at junior level.

Think about it. A school is dominant if not only one win, but if more athletes are strong, if the national, european or world champion change, but is always from the same school ( even if this year is not happen at worlds, but when it really counts ).

Is not about doing the same training to everyone, and see what happen. We now are seeing younger ladies being pushed in a dangerous, revolutionary and exiting direction, for then beat Alina, by a great tech margin.
Do you think that what is happening is only because the youngers have more talent ? I don't think is that, or only that.
Its the training, more training, better training, with girls who have the potential for doing that. Push them progressively on directions not considered before, just like when no one considered useful training a girl to do the 3A, just thinking "why doing that, if he may lose it while growing, maybe even the first senior year ?" Its a relevant question.

We can like that, but what about who is winning now ? Do you think it may be happy that hers coach seem to thinking more about make more and more newer winning machines, than the present and future itself of who is senior now ? I think leaving Eteri, for Evgenia now and then for Alina, its the only reasonable choice, for try to really think about the future, for not be considered obsolete by them coach itself. It may become a vain choice, but is needed, if then who is leaving behind still what to skate on competitions.

It's not only about that silver medal, or about the strong competition on Russia. I think its more than that.

 

[Hui]

The flip is done with a slight inside edge according to ISU. You can watch their video. I am not a fan of Yuna Kim, just saying. From what I observed from the previous posts, people were discussing about Medvedeva's issues that might be able to be fixed by Orser, not bashing her. They are mostly happy about her move, because they want to see her truly improve her jump techniques and get the high GOE and PCS that she actually deserves, which she could not do under Eteri's coaching. When they mentioned about her problems, they are actually mentioning truth. And no one mentioned about Yuna here until a Medvedeva fan suddenly brought her into the conversation.

 

[yume]

I wish Zhenya the best, she earned every point with effort, and I really think it's crazy to say that Zhenya's pcs are due to Eteri lmao, I remind them that Eteri's reputation was in tatters, and it was thanks Evgenia to its consistency, originality, expression and delivery in difficult times, who raised this reputation

Lol, what a wonderful world.

 

[Shayuki]

Well, Eteri is a development coach first and foremost, and I assume that'll always be what she specializes at - developing girls from a relatively young age, preferably as their second coach after they have learned the basics elsewhere.

There's nothing wrong with being a development coach, either. It would really help if Russia or preferably the Sambo-70 school itself actually had some competent, true senior coaches who are entirely focused on maximizing developed senior skaters' potential. It does feel like Eteri isn't really even supposed to be the top coach for ladies.

The flip is done with a slight inside edge according to ISU. You can watch their video. I am not a fan of Yuna Kim, just saying. From what I observed from the previous posts, people were discussing about Medvedeva's issues that might be able to be fixed by Orser, not bashing her. They are mostly happy about her move, because they want to see her truly improve her jump techniques and get the high GOE and PCS that she actually deserves, which she could not do under Eteri's coaching. When they mentioned about her problems, they are actually mentioning truth. And no one mentioned about Yuna here until a Medvedeva fan suddenly brought her into the conversation.

By the way, I don't agree with this thing about changing coaches magically fixing Medvedeva's technique and especially blaming coaches for everything. For instance, Medvedeva's said that she really hates the 2A and doesn't train it very much. Does she herself not have any responsibility there? If it's her weakest jump, that's what she should be training the most if she actually wants to fix it.

 

[yoloaxel]

I am really curious to hear what Brian has to say about all this (if, of course, she's really going to TCC). I want to know what his motivations are and why he chose to work with her, apart from her obvious talent of course. Soooo curious.

 

[chopinskate]

and eteri hasn't even had her say yet.

OH CRAP
:eeking:

 

[yoloaxel]

There's nothing wrong with being a development coach, either. It would really help if Russia or preferably the Sambo-70 school itself actually had some competent, true senior coaches who are entirely focused on maximizing developed senior skaters' potential. It does feel like Eteri isn't really even supposed to be the top coach for ladies.

Agree with this 100%! There's nothing wrong with being a coach whose greatest focus and talent is working with Juniors and developing them - and Eteri does a great, great job at it! At the same time, it is a shame that her pattern seems to be that after the girls mature she doesn't really know how to develop them. You're right that she probably needs a coach for seniors, but until then I think Zhenya made the right decision. It's probably her best chance at staying competitive.

 

[Yatagarasu]

Ah rumors ... well. Russia is not done, if this is true. Polina to Buyanova.

Sorry, officially OT but...

 

[yoloaxel]

Ah rumors ... well. Russia is not done, if this is true. Polina to Buyanova.

Sorry, officially OT but...

:eeking: is everyone over 16 leaving Eteri now? (not that I blame them tbh, considering the junior-centric environment)

 

[charlotte14]

Polina says bye to Eterk and moves to CSKA https://twitter.com/lenaradihair/status/992519627048615937?s=21

 

[Yatagarasu]

:eeking: is everyone over 16 leaving Eteri now? (not that I blame them tbh, considering the junior-centric environment)

She has no choice tbh. She's not just also aging out, but was never the it girl. So definitely the right choice for Polina.

 

[axon]

I'm not sure why people are randomly denigrating Yuna or her fans, if not for insecurity. It's ad hominem to insinuate that one's thoughts about 1 skater are invalid because of their feelings about another.

Anyway, to add to what I said previously, I think it is a good move. A number of Eteri's students have similar issues with their technique that she has not sought to rectify. There's also of course intense competitive pressure - results first, etc. And of course, in every other sport I watch, athletes switch coaches/teams all the time for a change of scenery or to find a style that better suits them. I think Medvedeva has achieved all she can under Eteri's system, but she still may have greater potential, and it is a logical conclusion to find the coach/'infrastructure' that enables her to do so. I think Orser can do that and wish her the best - it is hard to leave a familiar environment. Fingers crossed for Wakaba too, though.

 

[drivingmissdaisy]

Wow, my head is spinning with these moves. With the exception of Alina's programs, Evgenia's junior SP Umbrellas of Cherbourgh, and Julia's SL, I haven't really liked any of the programs choreographed by Eteri's team. Polina will be better off without Evgenia-like programs, and Evgenia will be better off working with different choreographers. Hopefully Alina continues to grow and get programs that work for her, as she has been getting the best choreographed programs of the group IMO.

 

[Hui]

I am a bit worried that Brian Orser might get a lot of hates if things do not seem to work out. Zhenya is known to be consistent but if her jumping techniques are changed/fixed, she might lose her consistency. It will take time to show good results, that's for sure.