Medvedeva leaving Eteri

[Hui]

Loool if Evgenia’s jumps are small then what on earth are Satoko’s? Zhenya’s jumps are of average distance I would say. Her edge jumps are remarkable, her 3lo is probably the best in senior ladies. Her lutz is the obvious thing to fix. She only had prerotation issues on -3T combo. Let’s try to be objective!

I can’t wait to see what Brian will work on

Just because Satoko's jumps are smaller than Zhenya's, doesnt mean Zhenya's jumps are huge... Lol. Have you seen a huge jump before?

 

[yoloaxel]

Just because Satoko's jumps are smaller than Zhenya's, doesnt mean Zhenya's jumps are huge... Lol. Have you seen a huge jump before?

I never said they were huge - I said average. And I also said Brian will definitely help her improve.

 

[Hui]

I like how people who think Medvedeva has a "top, top" jumping technique haven't actually managed to reason why she's switching coaches if Eteri taught her that. Why move at all? Keep her top, top jumps with Eteri.

Exactly.

 

[vunhung3001]

I don't know if she decided to change coach to BOrser because she wants to fix her jumps or she wants to try a new practice environment/ method. If she wants to be consistent and fix her jumps at the same time I think it seems difficult. See the number of popped lutzes by Mao when she reworked her Lutz.

 

[Yatagarasu]

I like how people who think Medvedeva has a "top, top" jumping technique haven't actually managed to reason why she's switching coaches if Eteri taught her that. Why move at all? Keep her top, top jumps with Eteri.

She doesn't have top, top jumps. It's equally wrong that all her jumps are a disaster. charlotte14 had a pretty good break down of it all on the previous page; there are good things, there are eh things, there are things that definitely need work.

Plus, we cannot say this is why she changed coaches. It's a benefit, for sure but one among many.

 

[Kelti]

I see this potential partnership benefiting him more than Evgenia, who has pretty much maxed her scores. Orser, on the other hand, has another champion skater in his camp. He has nothing to lose.

This potential partnership wouldn’t take place if Evgenia doesn’t think she would benefit from the move. I would think there are more risk for Brian to take on a two times world champion who has already maxed out scorewise (although there might be some room of improvement under the new system).

If Evgenia has great results after moving to CC, he probably wouldn’t get much credit for this as she already has a pretty solid record before heading to him. And if her results are less than desireable guess who will be the first to be blamed. So I don’t think it’s fair to claim “he has nothing to lose”.

 

[Hui]

I never said they were huge - I said average. And I also said Brian will definitely help her improve.

She actually has problem with the takeoff of all her toe jumps (flip, lutz, toeloop). If you watch how Hanyu takes off for his toe jumps, he uses the toe pick.

 

[Shayuki]

I like how people who think Medvedeva has a "top, top" jumping technique haven't actually managed to reason why she's switching coaches if Eteri taught her that. Why move at all? Keep her top, top jumps with Eteri.

To be fair, it's very hard to actually... rationalize. She gets amazing PCS. There's no room to grow in that regard, really. She gets amazing GOE also. One could barely expect to improve there, either. The only thing would be the Lutz edge, though she doesn't even get called. Still, it'd allow her to bring her Lutz count to three instead of just one... which would give her around 1.6 points in BV, perhaps. But outside of that 1.6 point improvement in BV, what would she hope to tangibly be able to improve further? Her scores are already so high.

 

[Hui]

She doesn't have top, top jumps. It's equally wrong that all her jumps are a disaster. charlotte14 had a pretty good break down of it all on the previous page; there are good things, there are eh things, there are things that definitely need work.

Plus, we cannot say this is why she changed coaches. It's a benefit, for sure but one among many.

You are right! Super agree with you

 

[Hui]

I don't know if she decided to change coach to BOrser because she wants to fix her jumps or she wants to try a new practice environment/ method. If she wants to be consistent and fix her jumps at the same time I think it seems difficult. See the number of popped lutzes by Mao when she reworked her Lutz.

Towards the end of her career, Mao finally managed to fix her flutz. And we are all so happy for her. It really took her a long time. So im not sure what will happen to Zhenya and Orser.

 

[chopinskate]

She doesn't have top, top jumps. It's equally wrong that all her jumps are a disaster. charlotte14 had a pretty good break down of it all on the previous page; there are good things, there are eh things, there are things that definitely need work.

Plus, we cannot say this is why she changed coaches. It's a benefit, for sure but one among many.

Oh, I know she isn't all bad. Her technique on toe jumps is bad. Her 2A is bad. But her 3S and 3Lo aren't bad at all. And I acknowledge I don't know why she's really moving to CAN.

I am just tired of all these fans, irrespective of which skater they're a fan of, who are so blind of their own favourite's flaws, that they will cite what the judges gave their fave on GOE. I'm not here for my favourites, though I have them. So, it is extremely frustrating that people will disregard evidence of flaws by saying someone's technique is "top, top", when it can't be farther from the truth. Shows an unwillingness to actually care about the sport to me, and just being here for getting involved in useless fan wars. Medvedeva probably knows her own flaws. Why try to convince others on this thread there are none, and call them "Yunastans"?

 

[Hui]

I never said they were huge - I said average. And I also said Brian will definitely help her improve.

Now that i think about it, average is a better way to describe her jump size. But it still contributes to her consistency, right?

 

[Kelti]

Towards the end of her career, Mao finally managed to fix her flutz. And we are all so happy for her. It really took her a long time. So im not sure what will happen to Zhenya and Orser.

Are there any other examples of skaters successfully fixing their lutz edge during their career? Wonder if we can get some statistics on how long it generally takes for a skater to fix the edge. I guess this also depends on how lenient the tech panel is too!

 

[chopinskate]

To be fair, it's very hard to actually... rationalize. She gets amazing PCS. There's no room to grow in that regard, really. She gets amazing GOE also. One could barely expect to improve there, either. The only thing would be the Lutz edge, though she doesn't even get called. Still, it'd allow her to bring her Lutz count to three instead of just one... which would give her around 1.6 points in BV, perhaps. But outside of that 1.6 point improvement in BV, what would she hope to tangibly be able to improve further? Her scores are already so high.

Yeah this is the question, one I am most interested in knowing the answer to and dissecting.

 

[Yatagarasu]

Now that i think about it, average is a better way to describe her jump size. But it still contributes to her consistency, right?

I think it's several things, not just one.

Her jumps also aren't simple, with no steps in or out, which makes them more difficult but also can limit size but yes, smaller jumps are easier to control.
Then Eteri practices the philosophy of multiple repetitions. You mess up, you do the whole program all over again. This is good for consistency but at the same time, difficult for the body, especially as one grows older so it's good for Zhenya she's moving to Orser who is a proponent of quality over quantity as that'll reduce the injuries.

But another thing that isn't often mentioned is her mental strength. I've said it before, I'll say it again. Her biggest gift is her mental strength, her head. I can only think of Plushenko when I think of this combination of nerves and incredible drive to win.

Many girls have average jumps, that are flawed here and there yet we don't see this consistency. It's not that easy to put your finger on one thing, and go this is why but if I had to, I would actually say it is her mental strength that helps her the most, in a combination of several things.

 

[Grin]

Another official confirmation
https://twitter.com/RuSkating/status/992510281283723264?s=19

 

[Hui]

I think it's several things, not just one.

Her jumps also aren't simple, with no steps in or out, which makes them more difficult but also can limit size but yes, smaller jumps are easier to control.
Then Eteri practices the philosophy of multiple repetitions. You mess up, you do the whole program all over again. This is good for consistency but at the same time, difficult for the body, especially as one grows older so it's good for Zhenya she's moving to Orser who is a proponent of quality over quantity as that'll reduce the injuries.

But another thing that isn't often mentioned is her mental strength. I've said it before, I'll say it again. Her biggest gift is her mental strength, her head. I can only think of Plushenko when I think of this combination of nerves and incredible drive to win.

Many girls have average jumps, that are flawed here and there yet we don't see this consistency. It's not that easy to put your finger on one thing, and go this is why but if I had to, I would actually say it is her mental strength that helps her the most, in a combination of several things.

I know saying this may make me sound like a hater, but sometimes I wonder if her mental strength and confidence come from knowing that no matter how bad her jumps are, she will get good GOE, and no matter how well others perform, she will get the best PCS as long as she goes "clean".

 

[moriel]

Dunno, i am worried.
Zhenya's major winning factor is her consistency. And i really doubt she can keep that under Orser.
Also, i'm not sure if Orser is a good ladies coach, since his only successful female student is Yuna so far.

 

[moriel]

I know saying this may make me sound like a hater, but sometimes I wonder if her mental strength and confidence come from knowing that no matter how bad her jumps are, she will get good GOE, and no matter how well others perform, she will get the best PCS as long as she goes "clean".

Well, it is debatable, because we don't get to see her bad jumps.
Whatever you may imply, she manages to check most of the GOE checkboxes, and her PCs (compared to rest of field) are quite justified.

 

[edge of transition]

I know saying this may make me sound like a hater, but sometimes I wonder if her mental strength and confidence come from knowing that no matter how bad her jumps are, she will get good GOE, and no matter how well others perform, she will get the best PCS as long as she goes "clean".

Hahaha, that's great. Her consistency comes from knowing she'll be propped up with great scores no matter what. Is a new one to me. Is it your own creation?