What's wrong with that statement? Everyone knows that world champions are given some leeway from the judges, and it's nice to see a skater acknowledge that his marks can reflect that to some extent. He's not putting anyone down, he's not being smug about it - he's saying, this is what I get to work with, but I can't rely just on the judges' perception of me as world champion. Much better than Frank Carroll opining that skaters other than his were enjoying such a bonus.From Ice Network article.
Chan needs to say stuff like this. Seriously. I get what he's saying, but you don't need to say that stuff outloud...."When you are world champion, [the judges] tend to cut you a little slack, but then there's the other 5 percent where the brain starts doubting," he said. "But I've been in bigger holes and recovered. This was certainly better than last year."
Anyway great SP-- glad to see Javier break out tonight and Dai doing a clean performance. And I'm glad Chan managed to hold together and not fall -- the skating skills are good as always. Can't wait to watch the FS!
Yes, skaters and fans might think it, but if you benefited by it, please don't say it out loud Patrick. I think he is encouraged in his attitude by the way he is revered almost as a God in Canada. In any case, the judges have rewarded Patrick very well even when he wasn't World champion!
OT--Joesitz re Alissa and Carolina, come on. They are both very close in abilities, and also generally both beloved by skating fans. I think Alissa is the one who has impacted the ladies' field with her skating. Everyone is patterning themselves after Alissa's gorgeous skating. Yes, we tend to feel or sense a hesitation by Alissa going into the jumps, but she's improved in that aspect by leaps and bounds, and is not hesitating quite as much. She's attacking and that's why she's getting good results. We can take this to the ladies thread.
ETA: No matter the exact words, I don't see anything yet that changes what he was saying. Still, keep it to yourself. Also, Patrick was still receiving "slack" from the judges prior to his becoming a World champion. I'll bet he feels freer to pursue his goals knowing that in the judges' eyes he can do little wrong, even when he makes glaring mistakes.
Yes, it is unfair because most likely Chan did not make that statement. Any criticism, no matter how light it is in your mind, based on that unconfirmed assumption is unfair. I wouldn't mind your gripe and probably will support you as well if Chan actually said so, but honestly I don't think he did.Unfair?
Please read my post in context, skatinginbc (just as you are so concerned about Patrick's words being taken out of context). I was responding to Buttercup's contention that there was nothing wrong with Chan's recent statement. My word, "light" refers to what Chan was quoted as saying, and not to our criticism of what he reportedly said. My biggest "gripe" has nothing to do with what Chan has been quoted as saying after the sp.
Another evidence of good judging. I cannot wait to see how the long programs will play out.It was interesting to note that the judges seem to actually ding skaters for sub-par spinning this time. In the protocols, Javier got a -.13 for his level 2 flying upright spin after his 3axel, which traveled a bit but I didn't think was that bad. Takahashi's camel spin, which might have been short of rotation, because it looked really slow and a bit out of control, got a miniscule -0.04 deduction on top of only getting a level 1. Not exactly harsh, but nice to see some of them do pay attention.
Sorry skatinginbc, no offense meant to you. Not all judges are corrupt, but most do tend to be hampered by the political aspects of the sport, not to mention loyalties to their respective federations. In this case, I think Adam deserved a bit higher marks, and Chan a bit lower (certainly not so close to Javi and Dai). I think Dai's program was the best, but with his quad and his joyful skate, I can see why Javi is in first, and I'm happy for him. Also, Dai and Javi are practically tied, as noted previously. The judging is what it is, and (as you said) not too far off here, aside from the Chan love (IMO).
LOL Patroll Chan strikes again. Truly, the heel of figure skating.
Finally saw the top 3 skates. Am I the only one who doesn't have much a problem with the scores and ranking? Probably.
Javier landed the most difficult jumps decently enough. But his basic skating is pretty far below Takahashi and Chan. I'm not that fond of his posture either.
Takahashi is a delight as always. His jumps, though, especially that 3f/3t, looks a bit wonky to me. He might have been lucky not to have that 3t get an UR call.
Chan skated with his usual viciously deep edges. Amazing stuff. But it doesn't seem like he'll ever get that 3axel going consistently.
It was interesting to note that the judges seem to actually ding skaters for sub-par spinning this time. In the protocols, Javier got a -.13 for his level 2 flying upright spin after his 3axel, which traveled a bit but I didn't think was that bad. Takahashi's camel spin, which might have been short of rotation, because it looked really slow and a bit out of control, got a miniscule -0.04 deduction on top of only getting a level 1. Not exactly harsh, but nice to see some of them do pay attention.
Aside from our differences re Chan, skatinginbc, we at least seem to have a love of figure skating in common.
Actually, Serious Business, you are not the only one who doesn't have "much of a problem" with the scoring for men's sp, as witness the various posts in this thread in agreement with yours (I know, a somewhat time-consuming read).
Thanks for your contribution, Tonichelle. Who said that "everyone's" opinions are not valid? Personal fights? I enjoy good discussion re figure skating as much as anyone else. I will definitely respond when I have something to say. I think its up to everyone not to get on the defensive when someone has strong things to say about his/her favorite skater, or about figure skating in general. No one is going to agree all the time, and if someone voices a strong opinion, why take it personally? If you don't agree, state your own opinion. Sometimes that may change minds, more often not when it comes to figure skating. I haven't called any posters on this board a name other than their user name, so why do you preface your words with one of my posts?
ETA: (I realize you may not be singling me out for approbiation, Tonichelle, so I apologize in advance if you weren't).
I do not signal people out, however I do think the heatedness on both sides of the "great divide" needs to cool down. I don't have an opinion on the "facts" of the event because unlike most I have not seen the event as of yet.