Michelle - Good News/Bad News
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What does announcing her music have to do with anything? Has anyone actually asked her and she refused to tell? I quess if she did announce it it would give everyone something else to speculate about. Sometimes some posters sound like bratty kids because they aren't given information that for some reason they think they have the right to. Ya think that just maybe she has had more important things to deal with? The fact that she doesn't have an official website to announce all of these things tells me that type of thing is not a priority for her. Kwan is Kwan and has said she takes it a competition at a time. This year she was going to compete more and beacame injured. No mystery, no secrets. Why is it so hard to fathom that there is no ulterior motive here?
Just to clarify- not suggesting she has an "ulterior motive" or "agenda" or whatever. Just voicing my discontent with the way Team Kwan has handled certain things for the past four years. Technically nothing wrong with it though- depends on how you look at it.
ETA: But there's no denying- I think no matter how you look at this news, the bottom line is that it's going to end up hurting her. No Cop feedback until...Nats? That's bad...for her.
ETA: But there's no denying- I think no matter how you look at this news, the bottom line is that it's going to end up hurting her. No Cop feedback until...Nats? That's bad...for her.
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Maybe she wanted to keep her options open in case she was able to go? I know from personal experience that when I really want to do something I HOPE that I will be physically able to do it and a lot of times it comes down to the wire before I will admit to myself that it is just not going to happen for me. IMO Kwan doing this hurts no one. Tickets have been bought, and anyone who will replace her would be practicing anyway with Nationals coming up.
Upon further thought, they COULD come to the same thing, but word choice is everything IMO. "Outside chance" tells me that it's not too likely that she's going to be there, but chances are still HOPEful. This sounds like "50/50 chance" to me. (However, in my personal opinion one of those 50s was weighted
) Maybe it's more like 45%. "Very unlikely" tells me that unless things change dramatically, she's NOT going to be there. This sounds like maybe 10-20% chance of an opposite outcome. JMO.I hardly believe that with an injury Kwan's chances of being in CoC were as high as 50/50. But maybe Piel is onto something with her comment.
re. MK
In 1998, Michelle could very easily have skipped Nationals and just been named to the U.S. Olympic team. But she wanted to skate and "earn" her place. And I'm sure she plans to earn her spot this time, too, if that's what some are worried about. She wouldn't be injured in the first place if she wasn't working hard to reach her goals.
In 1998, Michelle could very easily have skipped Nationals and just been named to the U.S. Olympic team. But she wanted to skate and "earn" her place. And I'm sure she plans to earn her spot this time, too, if that's what some are worried about. She wouldn't be injured in the first place if she wasn't working hard to reach her goals.
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kyla2 said:
kyla, thanks for the clarification. But I'm still not agreeing with you even in accordance.
The cynicism in me just won't let me think that. And I also think that Sasha won't suffer the repurcussions as much as Michelle in the judging process either.Word choice?
I dunno, Red Dog. On the 17th of October, you wrote regarding Cup of China: "It would be really exciting if Kwan can recover from her injury and attend this competition in full spirits. However, I think it's getting more unlikely by the minute. Shep (MK's agent) said it was only an "outside chance" that she will compete here. I'm tempted to take that as a "no", but you never know...Let's hope she can get into the mix again."
As you said nine days ago, you were tempted to take "outside chance" as
a no, so why all the quibbling now?
I dunno, Red Dog. On the 17th of October, you wrote regarding Cup of China: "It would be really exciting if Kwan can recover from her injury and attend this competition in full spirits. However, I think it's getting more unlikely by the minute. Shep (MK's agent) said it was only an "outside chance" that she will compete here. I'm tempted to take that as a "no", but you never know...Let's hope she can get into the mix again."
As you said nine days ago, you were tempted to take "outside chance" as
a no, so why all the quibbling now?
When was the last time Kwan competed in GPF? Do we really have to go as far back as season 2000/2001 to find her name among the competitors... Isn´t this year the only one she has pulled out of GP competitions because of an injury? During all these years she though has participated in cheesefests (except this year´s first US cheesefest), hasn´t she? In 2004 Worlds Kwan was third and in 2005 out of podium.
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Who can say what the season holds for Michelle. She is a seasoned veteran and there are so many things that could happen. I am not so inclined to count her out. It will be a difficult road for her with untested programs, but she has nothing left to prove. She has had ups and downs throughout her career, yet her competitive history has shown that she is more than capable of regaining her form. I, for one, am just glad the injury didn't end her Olympic season. I wish her the very best in the coming months. Now, lets send some good thoughts Sasha's way!
Also, I think Kwan last competed in the GP in 2002. She was a last minute replacement for Sarah Hughes at the Skate America event. She won the event, and capped off the season with a brilliant World victory in Washington.
Also, I think Kwan last competed in the GP in 2002. She was a last minute replacement for Sarah Hughes at the Skate America event. She won the event, and capped off the season with a brilliant World victory in Washington.
Red Dog,
I really think you're splitting hairs here and the wrong ones at that. Everybody who has supported Michelle's "wording" and decisions based on her physician's recommendations has already voiced my opinion, so I won't repeat what they've all been saying.
You've made your point. We get your point. Now, hmmm, what else could you do with your point?
Just kidding. Let's just say your horse died from this beating a long time ago.
Soogar,
If it were any other skater, I would agree with you that the USFSA would want to give its younger skaters Olympic experience rather than give a two-time Olympic medalist a bye to her third Olympics. But as others have said, Michelle has given an enormous amount of positive publicity to the USFSA in many ways and if for some reason Michelle cannot skate at Nationals and wants a bye to the Olympics, I would be enormously surprised if the USFSA didn't give it to her.
I think the more likely outcome in case it so happens that Michelle reinjures her hip or sustains a new injury so that she cannot compete at Nationals is that Michelle would not ask for a bye at all and instead, as she has always done, graciously, though I'm sure very sadly, accept that her third Olympics was not meant to be.
Of course this is just speculation on my part, but I don't think Michelle would want her final Olympic competitive experience (probably) to be limited by injury, one in which she might have to skate in pain, and, what I think would be most important to her, be unable to represent her country at her best. I also think that if Michelle were injured and knew she could not skate her best, she is generous enough to say, "I've already skated in two Olympics. Let the next generation get some experience." JMO.
Just in general, of course I hope Michelle can compete in the Olympics in top form and win the OGM. But if she can't compete, decides not to, or does compete and doesn't win, I don't think it will negatively affect her one whit. For those who remember the '92 and '94 Winter Olympics, four-time World champion Kurt Browning (though not yet four-time in '92) did not even medal in either Olympics, even though at I believe the '94 Olympics, if that was the one in which he did his "Casablanca" FS, he moved from I think 12th after the SP--I know I'll be wrong, so alert the Designated Rgirl Corrections Unit--during which he fell on his 3Axel (and maybe goofed on another jump? not sure), up to 4th overall after the FS.
I do know it was the after his disastrous SP at the '94 Olympics that he said sadly in the K&C, "I need a hug" and then received thousands of "HUG!" telegrams. Also, after the free skate, when he saw that he had not scored well enough to medal, Kurt said, "I guess the Olympics just aren't for me," or something close to that. Fortunately, Kurt ended his competitive career when pro skating was also reaping the benefits of the interest in the Harding/Kerrigan scandal and by touring with SOI, keeping up the technical aspects of his skating while vastly improving his artistry, and competing in the many pro competitions and specials that were televised between 1995 and '99, Kurt has remained one of the most beloved and respected figure skaters ever.
Of course it would be great for Michelle to win the OGM. But like Debi Thomas says, nowadays, even though she won the bronze in '88, most people she meets think whe won the Olympic gold. Then there's Janet Lynn, who went completely out of the spotlight to raise a family. Figure skating fans from her era and figure skaters still absolutely love her! Those who love Michelle's skating know she's Olympic gold medal quality and that she's greater than the sum of her parts anyway. I don't mean to sound like I think she's already lost the OGM or won't compete; I'm just saying that if things don't go Michelle's way this season, in the long run I think it will amount to diddley.
But for now, I continue to wish Michelle a speedy recovery and a strong, healthy return to competition at least by Nationals and then the Olympics.
Rgirl
I really think you're splitting hairs here and the wrong ones at that. Everybody who has supported Michelle's "wording" and decisions based on her physician's recommendations has already voiced my opinion, so I won't repeat what they've all been saying.
You've made your point. We get your point. Now, hmmm, what else could you do with your point?
Just kidding. Let's just say your horse died from this beating a long time ago.Soogar,
If it were any other skater, I would agree with you that the USFSA would want to give its younger skaters Olympic experience rather than give a two-time Olympic medalist a bye to her third Olympics. But as others have said, Michelle has given an enormous amount of positive publicity to the USFSA in many ways and if for some reason Michelle cannot skate at Nationals and wants a bye to the Olympics, I would be enormously surprised if the USFSA didn't give it to her.
I think the more likely outcome in case it so happens that Michelle reinjures her hip or sustains a new injury so that she cannot compete at Nationals is that Michelle would not ask for a bye at all and instead, as she has always done, graciously, though I'm sure very sadly, accept that her third Olympics was not meant to be.
Of course this is just speculation on my part, but I don't think Michelle would want her final Olympic competitive experience (probably) to be limited by injury, one in which she might have to skate in pain, and, what I think would be most important to her, be unable to represent her country at her best. I also think that if Michelle were injured and knew she could not skate her best, she is generous enough to say, "I've already skated in two Olympics. Let the next generation get some experience." JMO.
Just in general, of course I hope Michelle can compete in the Olympics in top form and win the OGM. But if she can't compete, decides not to, or does compete and doesn't win, I don't think it will negatively affect her one whit. For those who remember the '92 and '94 Winter Olympics, four-time World champion Kurt Browning (though not yet four-time in '92) did not even medal in either Olympics, even though at I believe the '94 Olympics, if that was the one in which he did his "Casablanca" FS, he moved from I think 12th after the SP--I know I'll be wrong, so alert the Designated Rgirl Corrections Unit
--during which he fell on his 3Axel (and maybe goofed on another jump? not sure), up to 4th overall after the FS. I do know it was the after his disastrous SP at the '94 Olympics that he said sadly in the K&C, "I need a hug" and then received thousands of "HUG!" telegrams. Also, after the free skate, when he saw that he had not scored well enough to medal, Kurt said, "I guess the Olympics just aren't for me," or something close to that. Fortunately, Kurt ended his competitive career when pro skating was also reaping the benefits of the interest in the Harding/Kerrigan scandal and by touring with SOI, keeping up the technical aspects of his skating while vastly improving his artistry, and competing in the many pro competitions and specials that were televised between 1995 and '99, Kurt has remained one of the most beloved and respected figure skaters ever.
Of course it would be great for Michelle to win the OGM. But like Debi Thomas says, nowadays, even though she won the bronze in '88, most people she meets think whe won the Olympic gold. Then there's Janet Lynn, who went completely out of the spotlight to raise a family. Figure skating fans from her era and figure skaters still absolutely love her! Those who love Michelle's skating know she's Olympic gold medal quality and that she's greater than the sum of her parts anyway. I don't mean to sound like I think she's already lost the OGM or won't compete; I'm just saying that if things don't go Michelle's way this season, in the long run I think it will amount to diddley.
But for now, I continue to wish Michelle a speedy recovery and a strong, healthy return to competition at least by Nationals and then the Olympics.
Rgirl
Rgirl said:Just in general, of course I hope Michelle can compete in the Olympics in top form and win the OGM. But if she can't compete, decides not to, or does compete and doesn't win, I don't think it will negatively affect her one whit. For those who remember the '92 and '94 Winter Olympics, four-time World champion Kurt Browning (though not yet four-time in '92) did not even medal in either Olympics, even though at I believe the '94 Olympics, if that was the one in which he did his "Casablanca" FS, he moved from I think 12th after the SP--I know I'll be wrong, so alert the Designated Rgirl Corrections Unit
I do know it was the after his disastrous SP at the '94 Olympics that he said sadly in the K&C, "I need a hug" and then received thousands of "HUG!" telegrams. Also, after the free skate, when he saw that he had not scored well enough to medal, Kurt said, "I guess the Olympics just aren't for me," or something close to that. Fortunately, Kurt ended his competitive career when pro skating was also reaping the benefits of the interest in the Harding/Kerrigan scandal and by touring with SOI, keeping up the technical aspects of his skating while vastly improving his artistry, and competing in the many pro competitions and specials that were televised between 1995 and '99, Kurt has remained one of the most beloved and respected figure skaters ever.
Rgirl
Funny, you mentioned Kurt here. Just the other day watching SA men on TV and listening Kurt's commnetating. When Tim was skating, I was thinking, Kurt is a far better skater than Tim ever is, yet Kurt never had an Olympic medal but Tim had one......Yes, Kurt has remained one of the most beloved and respected figure skaters ever. I used to follow him in pro ranks before I shift my focus into amature competetion. one only has that much time.
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