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Yuna entered the competition with anonimous judging. She accepted the rule. Learn to lose. All judges gave Adelina winner score.
they did?? including the known cheater balkov??
Yuna entered the competition with anonimous judging. She accepted the rule. Learn to lose. All judges gave Adelina winner score.
FS really ought to take note from the artistic gymnastics scoring system. They're similar in the sense that there is a "technical" and "artistic" mark (and that they moved away from a "perfect" mark system, 6.0 and the 10). However, you haven't heard of cheating in gymnastics ever since the eastern-block judging in the late 80s for 3 simple reasons:
1. Judges are not allowed to give marks to athletes from their own country. This includes the difficulty panel which is somewhat equivalent to the technical callers in FS. I am still astounded that no one seems to care about that fact in FS. You can't tell me that there aren't enough qualified judges (who haven't cheated in the past) that you can hire who don't bring forth that huge conflict of interest. Nor can you tell me that a judge can be truly impartial to an athlete from their country.
2. In the all-around and team competitions, judges are randomly selected and only give scores to one group of athletes (~6 gymnasts out of 24-30 in total). This eliminates the possibility of fixing results because there are so many judges. It may seem messy, but it works.
3. Judges are not anonymous and their respective scores for each athlete are released after each competition. Also, if a certain judge's score deviates too much from the average of all the other judges for that athlete, they are suspended (whether they are attempting to fix results or are just incompetent at judging).
I am sorry, what are you saying? He did, all judges gave Adelina high score. Call them cheaters. What else is left for desperate fans.they did?? including the known cheater balkov??
I am sorry, what are you saying? He did, all judges gave Adelina high score. Call them cheaters. What else is left for desperate fans.
they did?? including the known cheater balkov??
Balkov was 1/9.
Actually, it is impossible to prove that, since you don' t know which scores go together. You can only prove it if every score of Adelina's is higher than every score of YuNa's. and even then you have the question of whether the tech panel's calls were correct or not.
http://www.isuresults.com/results/owg2014/index.htm
If you look at GOE and PCS, which are the scores judges give, YuNa is ahead on more than one judge's scorecard.
The ISU's position is that they do not have to prove anything to anyone. They do not care what the KSU demands or does not demand.
It is her base value that defeated her, and that is partially due to the tech panel and partially to her own choice of elements.
Adelina's base value was 61.43, YuNa's 57.49. 0.9 of that difference is due to YuNa being awarded level3 for her step sequence and her layback spin.
so it's OK for you to let a known cheater to judge a very close scoring after the sp in the lp.. as they allowed a known cheater to judge again?? after all you said it's only 1/9.. that kind of thinking why many outsiders are saying that figure skating is not a sport..
Vanshilar said:Actually, since the points are fungible, it's somewhat meaningless to talk about the points being due to any one thing. However, even if their base values were the same, Adelina would still have won because of the higher GOEs and technical calls etc.; she expanded her lead beyond the base values. Saying that it was the base values would be more appropriate if the points were such that Adelina's lead decreased once GOEs and technical calls were considered; it would mean that Adelina tried a harder program but wasn't as successful at it, but still eked out a win due to attempting a harder program.
so it's OK for you to let a known cheater to judge a very close scoring after the sp in the lp.. as they allowed a known cheater to judge again?? after all you said it's only 1/9.. that kind of thinking why many outsiders are saying that figure skating is not a sport..
He was punished and served his punishment. You want a one infraction equals permanent ban rule.
Yes. Certainly from the highest levels of competition. Balkov should be judging nothing bigger than Nebelhorn or Finlandia the rest of his judging career... maybe a GP if we're being extra nice... not the ladies final of the Olympics.
Why shouldn't this be the case? How is the figure skating judging anything but a strange and highly privileged position? If you screw up, you should not be allowed to do it anymore period.He was punished and served his punishment. You want a one infraction equals permanent ban rule. And all the judges on the panel basically agreed with his scores- they were all very close.