Because Gracie often struggles with the LP and a bad performance could carry over to the singles competition.
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Because Gracie often struggles with the LP and a bad performance could carry over to the singles competition.
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Haha, and now this after the RF spliting the Dance event and not the ladies. Gracie knows which program she's comfortable with more than I do, sure, but I'd personally say she looks better to skate a good SP than a good LP. Additionally, her scoring potential in the SP is way higher than Ashleys, and she could have goten 1 or 2 more points here. Following the trend from Euros, I guess Gracie with her 3Lz-3T could have beaten a clean Carolina, and would have come 3rd. Ash might lose to Caro, and if she has some trouble I'd say she could even get beaten by Kaetlyn if she's really on.
After the news yesterday with I&K, it looks like good news for Canada overall to me.
After the news yesterday with I&K, it looks like good news for Canada overall to me.
http://sochi2014.rsport.ru/sochi2014_figure/20140203/720142988.html
Men: Evgeni Plushenko
Ladies: Julia Lipnitskaya
Pairs: SP Volosozhar/Trankov, LP: Stolbova / Klimov
Ice Dance: Bobrova / Soloviev, Ilinykh / Katsalapov
It is a tactic game from all Federations. I am curious how will all countries cast their skaters finally.
V&T – an alteration is obvious – the Individual Event will start in a week after Team short program, they will skate short program at Team Event to get Russia into free skate and then take a rest and practise for Individual Event.
S&K are the one with better solo jumps then B&L and a silver European medalists + their free skate is liked by judges (and it is a realy great program in both technique and presentation)…they just need to control their nerves…it will be a challenge for them.
Plushenko – one men for both programs – no other choice.
As to ladies event I think that it shows that Adelina is in favour for Individual Event…yes, she will loose an opportunity for another medal but she will have enough time to concentrate for Individual Event or more exactly she will have less oppportunities for nervousness. She always struggles with her nerves and having two programs with big responsibility on her back or 3 / 4 programs with the twice more responsibility – it is a difference. Julia is kid who doesn’t feel as much responsibility as Adelina and she definitely handles the pressure better than Adelina so far. I think that Julia will be tired for Individual Event (both mentally and physically), but there is more than week between Team and Individual competitions, so I hope that it won’t affect her skating too much.
Putting I&K into Team Event…I guess it will be for FD…from my personal note I suppose that Morozov pressured this a lot because he wants an Olympic medal and after European Championships results he worry that there is a small chance to get medal in the Individual Event…and Russian Federation is not against, after two bad skates in free dance at Nationals and European Champs it is another chance for I&K to retrieve their reputation. Morozov never before noticed Team Event and participation in it, while Zhulin and B&S were talking about it since Nationals. Also at the end of previous season just before World Team Trophy it was Morozov who said that I&K wouldn’t skate at World Team Trophy because it wouldn’t change anything after what had happended at World Championhips 2013 and that their season was over (even one small mention that this is a team competitions – the result is done for whole team not for one couple only like at World Championships).
Still such roster started many discussions…I can’t stop smiling reading that I&K have better chance in Team Event FD…thinking in way that I&K gets 100 points even with mistakes and falls which should mean (looking at some opinions) that without fall the marks would be enormous….it is not right, I guess. We all know that from time to time judges help their favourite skaters in moments when they fail – the couple looses points because of mistake or fall so judges will give higher GOE or/and components marks to substitute that loss.
I&K skated at NHK, TEB, Rusian Nationals and European Champs. Looking at free skate… only NHK Trophy was skated without mistakes (forgetting levels by technical specialist now). All rest elements which were performed cleanly were executed in a very similar way at all competitions (but including heavy looking lifts, out of synchro twizzles from Nikita at every event). At NHK (with 8 clean elements) – GOE earns 7,76 points for the couple. At TEB free skate Lena stumbles in second step sequence (so only 7 elements are clean) – GOE earns 10,31 points. At Russian Nationals without one element and with many other elements effected by that mistake, with stumbles – GOE earns 10,59 points. At European Championships with Nikita having problems in twizzles and Lena finally falling – GOE earns 9,59 points. Components don’t have sense as well. Mistakes and falls always influence at least Skating skills, Performance, Choreography and Interpretation. While Skating skills at NHK were 8,54 points, with stumble at TEB is goes to 8,79 points, with fall at Russian Nationals it is even 9,32 points, at European Championships skating skills are 9,14 points. Performance as a part of component mark – at TEB I&K get 8,96 points, at Nationals 9,14 points and at European Champs 9,18 points. Choreography – at TEB 8,61 points, at Nationals 9,50 points and at European Champs 9,36 points (with that 10 points credit by one judge) – funny is that their free dance didn’t change at all since the beginning of the season…only falls were included…and marks grew up. Interpretation at TEB was 9,07 points, at Nationals 9,39 points, at European Champs 9,21 points.
It is also interesting to compare short dance and free dance components at European Championships. While Cappellini & Lanotte skated two clean programs and had quite similar component marks – Skating skills 8,79 in SD and 8,86 in FD, Performance 8,96 in SD and 9,04 in FD, Interpretation 8,86 in SD and 9,04 in FD….Ilinykh & Katsalapov with clean short dance and fall in free dance improved in components – Skating skills 9,00 in SD, 9,14 in FD, Performance 9,14 in SD and 9,18 in FD, Choreography 8,96 in SD and 9,36 in FD, Interpretation 8,96 in SD and 9,21 in FD.
From such marks and GOE it is obvious that the worse I&K skate the higher GOE and components they get – which leads to opinion that such high score given by judges is more an attempt to save the couple than a fair judging.
I am curious to see how will all participants skate and I hope that energy given to Team Event will not influence that quality of Individual Event so much.
Men: Evgeni Plushenko
Ladies: Julia Lipnitskaya
Pairs: SP Volosozhar/Trankov, LP: Stolbova / Klimov
Ice Dance: Bobrova / Soloviev, Ilinykh / Katsalapov
It is a tactic game from all Federations. I am curious how will all countries cast their skaters finally.
V&T – an alteration is obvious – the Individual Event will start in a week after Team short program, they will skate short program at Team Event to get Russia into free skate and then take a rest and practise for Individual Event.
S&K are the one with better solo jumps then B&L and a silver European medalists + their free skate is liked by judges (and it is a realy great program in both technique and presentation)…they just need to control their nerves…it will be a challenge for them.
Plushenko – one men for both programs – no other choice.
As to ladies event I think that it shows that Adelina is in favour for Individual Event…yes, she will loose an opportunity for another medal but she will have enough time to concentrate for Individual Event or more exactly she will have less oppportunities for nervousness. She always struggles with her nerves and having two programs with big responsibility on her back or 3 / 4 programs with the twice more responsibility – it is a difference. Julia is kid who doesn’t feel as much responsibility as Adelina and she definitely handles the pressure better than Adelina so far. I think that Julia will be tired for Individual Event (both mentally and physically), but there is more than week between Team and Individual competitions, so I hope that it won’t affect her skating too much.
Putting I&K into Team Event…I guess it will be for FD…from my personal note I suppose that Morozov pressured this a lot because he wants an Olympic medal and after European Championships results he worry that there is a small chance to get medal in the Individual Event…and Russian Federation is not against, after two bad skates in free dance at Nationals and European Champs it is another chance for I&K to retrieve their reputation. Morozov never before noticed Team Event and participation in it, while Zhulin and B&S were talking about it since Nationals. Also at the end of previous season just before World Team Trophy it was Morozov who said that I&K wouldn’t skate at World Team Trophy because it wouldn’t change anything after what had happended at World Championhips 2013 and that their season was over (even one small mention that this is a team competitions – the result is done for whole team not for one couple only like at World Championships).
Still such roster started many discussions…I can’t stop smiling reading that I&K have better chance in Team Event FD…thinking in way that I&K gets 100 points even with mistakes and falls which should mean (looking at some opinions) that without fall the marks would be enormous….it is not right, I guess. We all know that from time to time judges help their favourite skaters in moments when they fail – the couple looses points because of mistake or fall so judges will give higher GOE or/and components marks to substitute that loss.
I&K skated at NHK, TEB, Rusian Nationals and European Champs. Looking at free skate… only NHK Trophy was skated without mistakes (forgetting levels by technical specialist now). All rest elements which were performed cleanly were executed in a very similar way at all competitions (but including heavy looking lifts, out of synchro twizzles from Nikita at every event). At NHK (with 8 clean elements) – GOE earns 7,76 points for the couple. At TEB free skate Lena stumbles in second step sequence (so only 7 elements are clean) – GOE earns 10,31 points. At Russian Nationals without one element and with many other elements effected by that mistake, with stumbles – GOE earns 10,59 points. At European Championships with Nikita having problems in twizzles and Lena finally falling – GOE earns 9,59 points. Components don’t have sense as well. Mistakes and falls always influence at least Skating skills, Performance, Choreography and Interpretation. While Skating skills at NHK were 8,54 points, with stumble at TEB is goes to 8,79 points, with fall at Russian Nationals it is even 9,32 points, at European Championships skating skills are 9,14 points. Performance as a part of component mark – at TEB I&K get 8,96 points, at Nationals 9,14 points and at European Champs 9,18 points. Choreography – at TEB 8,61 points, at Nationals 9,50 points and at European Champs 9,36 points (with that 10 points credit by one judge) – funny is that their free dance didn’t change at all since the beginning of the season…only falls were included…and marks grew up. Interpretation at TEB was 9,07 points, at Nationals 9,39 points, at European Champs 9,21 points.
It is also interesting to compare short dance and free dance components at European Championships. While Cappellini & Lanotte skated two clean programs and had quite similar component marks – Skating skills 8,79 in SD and 8,86 in FD, Performance 8,96 in SD and 9,04 in FD, Interpretation 8,86 in SD and 9,04 in FD….Ilinykh & Katsalapov with clean short dance and fall in free dance improved in components – Skating skills 9,00 in SD, 9,14 in FD, Performance 9,14 in SD and 9,18 in FD, Choreography 8,96 in SD and 9,36 in FD, Interpretation 8,96 in SD and 9,21 in FD.
From such marks and GOE it is obvious that the worse I&K skate the higher GOE and components they get – which leads to opinion that such high score given by judges is more an attempt to save the couple than a fair judging.
I am curious to see how will all participants skate and I hope that energy given to Team Event will not influence that quality of Individual Event so much.
JSF picked Takahashi for the Olympic team because he's the most popular male skater in Japan and a big star. But he hasn't had a good season and Hanyu and Machida are clearly stronger picks, so no surprise there, IMO. Japan has an outside shot for the medal, after all.
If that turns out to be true, USFS is on crack. Wagner for the SP and Gold for the FS? Wagner's 3flip/3toe is not very reliable and has been cheated all season, always close to 1/4. What if it's just over during the team event (assuming she even manages to pull it off)? And she wasn't exactly in the best shape at her last event (US Nationals). Gold has never been consistent and is much more likely to skate a clean SP than a clean FS. Picking Gold for SP and Edmunds for the FS would have made much more sense.
Abbott for the SP and Brown for the FS definitely makes sense, given the former's lack of consistency and the how incredible the latter's program is.
US can win gold and you would want them to reduce the chance of that happening by picking Wagner for the FS, skating essentially a new program with no mileage?
There is a very long break between the team event and the ladies event with more than enough time to recover. Lipnitskaia has been very consistent all season so she's clearly the best pick.
As far as Pairs go, the break between the team event and the pairs event is very short so substituting V/T is understandable. S/K's FS is an outstanding program but I'm worried about them crumbling under pressure. I hope they can pull it off.
I am baffled about I/K's inclusion. B/S haven't exactly had a great season but I/K have been making major mistakes at pretty much every single event this season. I thought that Russian Fed wanted gold?
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Ziggy said:
A lot would need to happen for USA to win Gold (especially if Chan does both programs). Wagners program isn't new and it was well enough received last year. How would Edmunds do any better when she just came out of Juniors and is a nobody to the majority? At least Wagner has the rep, and that counts (even though it shouldn't).
Having Gracie do the LP though is probably the worst of the possible choices. She would have been the best pick for the SP.
With Russia officially sending I/K to the team event, I gotta make a visit at the prediction thread and change mine. Like that, Russia might just hand Canada the gold.
It isn't completely new but it combines Samson & Delilah with elements of Romeo & Juliet, has been put together recently and has no mileage yet.
By landing her jumps.
(She has the highest base value out of the three US girls and arguably the best consistency so far this season)
Quite. I am very
about this. It would indicate that Morozov carries a lot of clout with the Russian Fed.
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carolina was 2 points short of winning the europeans short program.
take into consideration that she got a level 2 for one of her spins and her pcs were underscored, i doubt any of the americans can beat her.
caro is not certain to skate in the team event though. no confirmation...
take into consideration that she got a level 2 for one of her spins and her pcs were underscored, i doubt any of the americans can beat her.
caro is not certain to skate in the team event though. no confirmation...
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Was just curious, can figure skating teams only substitute two entries after the short programs before the longs? Or can they do three? For some reason I thought I read somewhere that it was three...
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The maximum number of substitutions per country is two. And it always has been two ever since the Sochi team event rules originally were published.
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Some official start orders so far.
Men's Short Program
1 GBR Matthew PARR
2 ITA Paul Bonifacio PARKINSON
3 UKR Yakov GODOROZHA
4 RUS Evgeny PLYUSHCHENKO
5 USA Jeremy ABBOTT
6 GER Peter LIEBERS
7 CHN Han YAN
8 FRA Florent AMODIO
9 CAN Patrick CHAN
10 JPN Yuzuru HANYU
Pair's Short Program
1 JPN Narumi TAKAHASHI / Ryuichi KIHARA
2 GBR Stacey KEMP / David KING
3 UKR Julia LAVRENTIEVA / Yuri RUDYK
4 GER Maylin WENDE / Daniel WENDE
5 CHN Cheng PENG / Hao ZHANG
6 USA Marissa CASTELLI / Simon SHNAPIR
7 FRA Vanessa JAMES / Morgan CIPRES
8 CAN Meagan DUHAMEL / Eric RADFORD
9 ITA Stefania BERTON / Ondrej HOTAREK
10 RUS Tatiana VOLOSOZHAR / Maxim TRANKOV
Men's Short Program
1 GBR Matthew PARR
2 ITA Paul Bonifacio PARKINSON
3 UKR Yakov GODOROZHA
4 RUS Evgeny PLYUSHCHENKO
5 USA Jeremy ABBOTT
6 GER Peter LIEBERS
7 CHN Han YAN
8 FRA Florent AMODIO
9 CAN Patrick CHAN
10 JPN Yuzuru HANYU
Pair's Short Program
1 JPN Narumi TAKAHASHI / Ryuichi KIHARA
2 GBR Stacey KEMP / David KING
3 UKR Julia LAVRENTIEVA / Yuri RUDYK
4 GER Maylin WENDE / Daniel WENDE
5 CHN Cheng PENG / Hao ZHANG
6 USA Marissa CASTELLI / Simon SHNAPIR
7 FRA Vanessa JAMES / Morgan CIPRES
8 CAN Meagan DUHAMEL / Eric RADFORD
9 ITA Stefania BERTON / Ondrej HOTAREK
10 RUS Tatiana VOLOSOZHAR / Maxim TRANKOV
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How does the Team competition work? Can someone explain? Sorry, if this was already posted and I didn't find it.
Somehow I feel sorry for the skaters that they have to do yet another event before the real competition.
Somehow I feel sorry for the skaters that they have to do yet another event before the real competition.
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Longer explanations are readily available elsewhere (both on GS and on other sites), but here is the most concise one I have ever seen:
@USFigureSkating
TEAM EVENT in 140 CHAR: 10 nations, points based on placement in each segment, 5 make free skate, 3 earn medals. Teams can make 2 exchanges.
1:28 AM - 4 Feb 2014
https://twitter.com/USFigureSkating/status/430633848993378304
1:28 AM - 4 Feb 2014
https://twitter.com/USFigureSkating/status/430633848993378304
Sample explanatory article (this one is from IceNetwork, but gazillions of others are out there):
http://web.icenetwork.com/news/2014/02/03/67385306/all-you-need-to-know-about-olympic-team-event (Feb 3)
And no need to feel sorry for the team skaters. The team event gives all of them additional opportunities to perform for the world on Olympic ice -- and will result in Olympic medals for a minimum of eighteen skaters. (A maximum of thirty skaters will receive team medals, depending on who the substitutions are for the top three countries.)
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LMDJ@MaisonDeJoubert·7 tim
#JO2014 Team Event: "Si la France se qualifie, #BrianJoubert participera au programme libre dimanche" http://rmcsport.bfmtv.com/info/572291/patinage-amodio-ouverture/
#JO2014 Team Event: "Si la France se qualifie, #BrianJoubert participera au programme libre dimanche" http://rmcsport.bfmtv.com/info/572291/patinage-amodio-ouverture/
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Men's Short Program Season's Best
1 GBR Matthew PARR 49.32
2 ITA Paul Bonifacio PARKINSON 63.37
3 UKR Yakov GODOROZHA 63.68
4 RUS Evgeny PLYUSHCHENKO N/A
5 USA Jeremy ABBOTT 78.78
6 GER Peter LIEBERS 77.42
7 CHN Han YAN 90.14
8 FRA Florent AMODIO 78.6
9 CAN Patrick CHAN 98.52
10 JPN Yuzuru HANYU 99.84
Pair's Short Program
1 JPN Narumi TAKAHASHI / Ryuichi KIHARA 49.54
2 GBR Stacey KEMP / David KING 51.33
3 UKR Julia LAVRENTIEVA / Yuri RUDYK 37.96
4 GER Maylin WENDE / Daniel WENDE 61.00
5 CHN Cheng PENG / Hao ZHANG 68.87
6 USA Marissa CASTELLI / Simon SHNAPIR 62.56
7 FRA Vanessa JAMES / Morgan CIPRES 63,23
8 CAN Meagan DUHAMEL / Eric RADFORD 73.07
9 ITA Stefania BERTON / Ondrej HOTAREK 69.38
10 RUS Tatiana VOLOSOZHAR / Maxim TRANKOV 83.98
Why is French Federation not picking Joubert for both programs and only the FS? If he requested that because he doesn't want to overstrain himself, I can understand that. But if it's their decision, it would seem to confirm they are hell bent on dumping Joubert, given how poorly Amodio has been performing all season.
I'm also surprised that the Ukrainian Federation decided to go on Nationals result only and send Lavrentieva/Rudyk to the Olympics despite their poor Euros performance. They should have some kind of system looking at the whole season, IMO.
I'm also surprised that the Ukrainian Federation decided to go on Nationals result only and send Lavrentieva/Rudyk to the Olympics despite their poor Euros performance. They should have some kind of system looking at the whole season, IMO.
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Aren't the chances of France making it to the finals kind of low anyway even with Joubert? At least that's what I recall Brian saying in one of his interviews. So it could be that he wants to focus on his individual skates and not overstrain himself with a potentially meaningless team event. I still have a soft spot for Joubert all these years so I hope he does well at his final Olympics
Ukrainian Federation organized test skate but Usmanceva/Talan did too many mistakes and failed again.
http://xsport.ua/figure-skating_s/news/sochi-2014-rudyk-i-lavrenteva-edut-na-olimpiadu_52717/
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So does this increase the likelihood that Jason Brown will skate the LP?
ie I think it's safe to say Jason will do the long).
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when will the ladies entries for the team event come out?
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